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= China Dictatorship 中国独裁统治
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Chinese "Communist" <<dictatorship,"Dictatorship">> "facts". 中国《共产主义》<<dictatorship,《独裁统治》>>的《事实》。<<faq,FAQ>>, <<news,news compilation>> and <<restaurants,restaurant>> and <<music,music>> recommendations. <<faq,常见问答集>>,<<news,新闻集>>和<<restaurants,饭店>>和<<music,音乐>>建议。<<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,Heil Xi 卐>>. <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,习万岁>>。

This README is too large and so[GitHub cuts it up] on[]. You can view it fully at either:

*[]. Canonical,[blocked in China since 2020] according to <<greatfire>>. However, China is still the second largest hit location according to Google Analytics, I don't understand
*[]. Let's see how good is the <<gfw>> at blocking subdomains.

or by downloading it locally as shown at: <<mirrors>>.

**住在中国大陆有真名用户或者用中国邮箱的网友请别给星星,不然你要被警察请喝茶。先注册一个Gmail/Protonmail匿名用户才来,最好也要用VPN/Tor/<<shadowsocks>>. Friends who live in China and have real name on account or who use a Chinese email provider, please don't star this repo, or else the police might pay you a visit some day. First create an anonymous account with Gmail/Protonmail instead, preferably from behind VPN/Tor/<<shadowsocks>>.** 你不是一个人。将来是今天的五毛必须隐藏,而不是你。You are not alone. In the fiture, it is the wumaos who will have to hide, not you. See also: <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship>>.



== About (关于)

This repo has the following goals:

* allow copy pasting links to answers to questions/comments that have been posted a million times before by <<wumao>>, mostly under: <<faq>>. This was the original goal.
* serve as a censorship bomb to block <<github>> in China: <<keyword-attack>> to destroy the <<gfw>> and <<dictator-needs-gfw,therefore the CCP>>. Or more realistically get added to the <<github-gov-takedowns>> hall of fame.
* be a fun and sometimes silly source of Chinese mostly anti-CCP culture like a better[Unencyclopedia] /[Encyclopedia Dramatica] without the stupid stereotype jokes. Just quickly browse the pictures with Ctrl + F "Figure" and have fun.
* serve as a place where people can post interesting related stuff in the issues: see also: <<shitpost>>
* highlight positive about China's culture outside of its shitty government, such as <<the-best-chinese-supermarket-food-products,food>> and <<music>>. This has two goals:
** teach foreigners (maybe even Chinese people on certain points) about amazing Chinese things that they can consume
** show wumaos that <<ciro-santilli>> is not as clueless about China as they think

== Copypasta

Here's an image/sentence[copypasta]/summary of key events for the <<keyword-attack>>.

Another advantage of this is that since it comes first in the repo, it ensures that key elements show up on despite file size cutups:[].

Each summary section contains a link to the main section, which contains sources and description of each image.

Text only:

* <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03>> (2018包子露宪)
* <<the-709-crackdown>>
* <<panama-papers>> (邓家贵)
* <<low-end-population>>
* <<tibetan-unrest-2008>>

Text and image:

**社会主义核心价值观 Core socialist values**


**六四事件 Tiananmen square protests 1989**


*[Joan Baez - China]
*[Philip Morgan - Blood is on the square]




**法轮功 Falun Gong 1999 70M believer religion banned**



**新疆改造中心 Xinjiang re-education camps 2018**





**小熊维尼 Winnie the Pooh 2018**




**郝海东 Hao Haidong Chinese soccer superstar turns against the CCP 2020**


**冠状病毒审查 Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus**


**基督迫害 Christian persecution 2018**




**LGBT权利 The suppression of homosexuality**





**Gay Putin**


**The poisoning of Alexei Navalny 2020**


**Vajiralongkorn Hamtaro**



== Mirrors of this page (本网页的镜像)

You can download the webpage locally from GitHub at:

Media such as images are not stored in this repository, but rather at to keep the lightweight clone. That downloaded HTML will read images from that repository, e.g.[]. But we've learnt after creating that maybe the subdomain is censored: <<github-censored-subdomains>>. If anyone can confirm, we will start using another image provider by default.

Clone locally with Git using GitHub images:

git clone
cd china-dictatorship
git checkout gh-pages
xdg-open README.html

Build it yourself:

bundle install
xdg-open README.html

Build with GitLab served images:

git clone
cd china-dictatorship

Build with local images:

git clone
git clone
cd china-dictatorship
make MEDIA=../china-dictatorship-media

or build to use GitLab images:

Given <<github-censored-subdomains>>, this might be the only way to view the images from China.

The cool thing about Git is that we can maintain several mirrors on multiple websites very easily:

* Canonical source and rendered output. If ever <<github-gov-takedowns>> we do this: <<strategy-if-this-repo-gets-added-to-github-gov-takedowns>>
** their render is shit for some reason, clicking on the ToC does not jump to headers properly, not sure why, IDs look correct
** one really cool thing about gitlab is that it can serve images from directly e.g. unlike GitHub which has the `raw.` subdomain: This makes it impossible to block the GitLab images without blocking all of, until GitLab starts a <<github-gov-takedowns,gov-takedowns>> of their own.
** GitLab Pages. Works fine. Let's see if they can block subdomains:
** Maybe some day ? :-) Edit 2021-03, yup, it happened, with <<icp-license>> and all
*** <<ciro-santilli>>'s name at:
*** no free public SaaS yet, but it might come, though they are saying 30 day trial only:
* on <<gitee>>, blocked after 12 hours: <<gitee-censorship>>
* auto-pull Gitea mirror on[Kiwi Farms] (a <<politically-incorrect,politically incorrect>> social network website)

GitHub Pages: trade-offs with[]:

* pros
** cut up to 512KB of source, and therefor unacceptable as the only source:[]
**[GitHub's camo] keeps hiccuping and not showing images
** and YouTube videos show inline there
* cons
** domain will eventually get blocked in China. <<greatfire>> shows that in 2020-01-19 the domain was unblocked, but on the next text at 2020-05-23 it was "contractictory".
** Camo bypasses the need for VPN, since most images are served from <<wayback-machine>> which is <<censorship,blocked in China>>.

It is really interesting to see how many people star the GitHub repository, and then a few minutes later they think about how they might get put in jail, and then unstar it. Talk about <<chilling-effect>>! But yes, for the love of God, please stay safe: <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship>>.

GitHub Pages was first enabled in 2020-03-22 at[].

The perfect solution might be to download all images and upload them to since GitHub content does not go through Camo, we have to see if such images don't fail to load as often.

A few NPM/Git CDNs can also be used to bypass subdomain blocks, and some actually render HTML with the correct content type. Lists of such CDNs:


Some we've found, with HTML content type:

* Blocked when last checked:
**[]: blocked since 2021-05-20
**[]: blocked since 2021-05-20
*[] from[]. Auto sync with Git.
*[] from[]. Auto sync with Git.
*[] TODO get working, explained under "hosting":

Without HTML content type:


We've also tried to use jsfiddle like-services, but most don't work well:

* javascript works for a long time
* HTML too long
* 1MB limit

List of such services:

=== Software package mirrors

We also have a NPM Node.js package[]. After[installing NPM], you can be use it as:

npm i -g china-dictatorship
china-dictatorship > README.html

This forces China to also block/curate package managers to block this repo. The package is already available in the following NPM Chinese mirrors, both which were blocked at some point:

* Taobao: ([archive]).
Noticed down as of 2021-02-23, replaced by a dummy package admined by presumably and and He is a large NPM contributor, and likely `cnpm` too. TODO is he pro or against <<censorship>> based on online comments?
In order to overcome this, includers
* Aliyun from <<alibaba>>: ([archive]).
Taken down as 404 likely around 2021-02-22 after come incoming links from[] to[] and `?spm=.14275010.0.0.60be9dc4PsRmA`.

There is actually a `cnpm` tool to install from Chinese mirrors:[].

We also managed to upload a Python PyPi package at: Is as:

python3 -m pip install --user --upgrade china-dictatorship > README.html

Like NPM, this will also have Chinese mirrors that will need to be censored by their admins ovrview :

* vs both up March 2021
* vs both down March 2021 but in a different way, so maybe it was censored already
* vs both down March 2021
* vs both down March 2021
* vs both up March 2021
* reference: vs

We later found on Google by chance that picked it up and rendered the README.adoc nicely as well: ([archive]). This is why packaging is a good idea.

A programmatic interface is also exposed on those packages, making it easy to quickly add a `--china` option to your project, e.g. from Python:

import china_dictatorship
assert "Tiananmen Square protests" in china_dictatorship.get_data()


or from Node.js:

const china_dictatorship = require('china-dictatorship');
if (!china_dictatorship.get_data().includes("Tiannmen Square protests")) throw 0;


You have to do the assert after the imports because otherwise Chinese mirrors could replace the real package with dummy packages to not break imports, as was already done once at[].

This outputs the rendered HTML, which end users should the pipe into a file:

./your-program --china > README.html
xdg-open README.html

Concrete examples:

*[]. Sample Chinese fork removing the most important functionality:

These also offer great plausible deniability: a citizen in China could always argue that they were just interested in the software itself, and had no choice but to download it.

TODO: create an Ubuntu PPA and Ruby gem as well.

Another source of China-specific mirroring are GitHub proxies, contains an overview:

* this appears to auto-redirect to GitHub from non-Chinese IPs, but presumably shows the pages for Chinese IPs, e.g. we had hits from[] in 2021-03-25. This happened soon after SEO optimizations mentioned at: <<zhao-heming>> and might be related.
* as of March 2021, it often reaches an apparently random "Whoa there! You have triggered an abuse detection mechanism.". But other time it succeeds, e.g. some of the times: is visible.
* generated from
* described at as using[Cloudflare workers]
* a Turkish proxy. They have their own censorship issues as well of course.

Create tags,and update all mirrors in one go with: link:push-mirrors[]:

sudo apt install python3-setuptools
python3 -m pip install --user setuptools wheel twine

In particular, that script calls link:push[]:


which is more lightweight and pushes just to GitHub and GitLab Pages, so we are going to be using that more often to avoid overloading package managers too much.

`./push` is used to publish every commit.

There is no need to update package versions or add git tags, all of that gets done automatically by the script!

== GitHub repositories with censored information (政治敏感的GitHub库)

For lists of censored information outside of GitHub see: <<lists-of-material-censored-in-china>>.

For content outside of GitHub: <<lists-of-material-censored-in-china>>.

Mentioned in other sections:

* <<gov-takedowns-china>>
* <<nine-nine-six-icu>>
* <<nCovMemory>>
* <<bandinchina-github-repository>>
* mentioned at <<where-can-i-find-good-words-for-a-keyword-attack>>
* from <<programthink>>
* <<censorship-monitoring-tools-on-github>>
* <<huawei>>:
* from <<fuck-xuexiqiangguo>>
* from <<metoo>>
* at <<changsheng-bio-technology-vaccine-data-falsification-incident-2018>>
* <<xi-jinping-speech-synthesizer>>

Not mentioned in other sections:

* taibangle (太棒了)
* see also <<pincong>>
* 中国文化大革命文库 The Chinese Cultural Revolution Database
*[] small docuement that goes over <<censorship-circumvention>> and opsec. There was a PDF on GitHub but got removed from master (still in Git history), now links to external websites only. Newbs.
* personal account with anti-CCP projects
** claims name 陳純一, "Previous: NGO worker, educator, social activist. Present: Master student @Univ_Paris"
** 自由人的英雄榜 "List of fredom heroes"
** good list of Chinese political projects on GitHub
* appears to contain a list of posts of anonymized (Alice/Bob/Carol/Dave/...) deleted posts from some Peking University (PKU) chat system. The posts are from 2013 to 2019. TODO how could they obtain that list? Who delete the posts in the first place? Authors or authority?
* TODO understand better: in 2016 this company started blocking political commentary from their app, and people didn't like it seems. But there were so many complaints, that people manipulated things such that they ended up banning accounts that hadn't posted anything. What does that GitHub project do?
**酷安[酷安] is the company name:
** "316"事件 (316 event)
* 习语言 esoteric programming language that mimics <<xi-jinping>> jargon natural language. Appears to be specification only, no implementation provided.
** on <<gov-takedowns-china>>:

Interesting users:

** appears to give a lot of focus to <<falun-gong>>, e.g.:
*** Falun Gong information repository
*** automatic scraper of news from banned websites into the repository, with top sites being <<falun-gong-media>>
** present in <<gov-takedowns-china>>
** is the main repository about <<censorship-circumvention>>, TODO what it contains exactly? Code, or just documentation of existing methods?
* likely previous ShadowsocksR dev: <<censorship-circumvention>>, 10k+ followers 2020, but no repos, so forced takedown.

Non-information but also interesting:


TODO evaluate:


Reasonable topics:


=== Terminus2049 (端点星计划, 2049bbs)

* previous project name:

Jekyll GitHub Pages repository that saves full text copies of censored articles:


This repository stores deleted articles.

Also accompanies a dynamic forum which appears to be where content for the static pages gets discussed and brought up. But it possible that the website has been compromised and is leaking identity of users. At some point, went down. Live dead:

The "Terminus" in the repo name seems to be a reference to Isaac Asimov's fictional[Terminus planet] which is called端点星[端点星] in Chinese, but it is not clear where the 2049 comes from in that context. Forgetting the Chinese name, Terminus2049 could be a reference to the fictional["World War Terminus"] from the[Blade Runner 2049 (2019)] movie, which also explains the 2049.

First commint on 2018-04-27, GitHub pages domain blocked in China at least since 2019-03 according to <<greatfire>>: but not in <<github-gov-takedowns>> as of 2020-04.

The full post list can be seen most conveniently at: The number of articles is insane, usually several every day.

Most articles appear to be taken from recent news at the time of writting, although there are a few from before the repo started. As of 2020-04, the oldest article was from 2016 <<metoo>> events reported by Yue Xin, some other topics include:

* <<gay-rights>>
* <<nine-nine-six-icu>>
* <<lebron-james-opposes-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests-2019>>

They use Jekyll tags a lot, which makes for a good grouping of the topics.

In 2020-04-25, it was reported that three Beijing-based contributors were arrested during <<covid>>:

* Chinese article, gives the Chinese names, and some background on the arrested people


* Chen Mei (陈玫)
**玫-陈-1607b735/ a LinkedIn account with matching photo and name
**[], down 2020-12, live archive:[]. Includes
* Cai Wei (蔡伟)
** mentioned below reveals and email and profiles/further aliases:
* Xiao Tang (小唐), who is also Cai Wei's girlfriend

In 2020-06-12 their families received calls saying that they had been charged with <<picking-quarrels>>:


In 2021-05-11 they were charged:

Ciro's petition to free them:

How their identities were found:

* offers a good analysis
* comments by <<chinatimeline>> and gives further opsec guidelines

Terrible opsec... they used real name GitHub emails on early commits, including the institutional university address, before they started better opsec under / is a project to restore terminus, live at[] Ciro mention at:[] by which is similar to a <<mohu>> mention, so they seem to share the database? Who knows what's the relation between all those <<pincong>> lookalikes. TODO that website shows an <<icp-license>>? Very confusingly also mirrored at e.g.[]/[], which is very similar to <<pincong>>'s address. Related account:[] has a links section at: shown on the sideboard, containg links of interest. Some all not are very China specific. registration requires an invitation code.[] /[] maintains another archive up to 2019-03-03.

.Side-by-side photos of Chen Mei (陈玫) and Cai Wei (蔡伟) from <<terminus2049>>.[Source].

=== chinatimeline (中国时间线)

Explores several sensitive topics through interesting timelines with many pictures, for example:

* <<tiananmen>>:
* <<covid>>:
* religious persecution, including <<falun-gong>>:

Some minor relationships with <<terminus2049>>:


=== duty-machine

The anonymous user has some automation setup such that anyone can request certain webpages to be copied on to GitHub anonymously through a separate website, notably:

*[]: big Chinese social media, e.g. <<weibo>>, <<zhihu>>, Douban. Articles stored in issues. Archive requests:
*[]: big Western news websites like Reuters, BBC, etc. Articles stored in-tree.

The project claims to have been inspired by <<terminus2049>>, but hopefully they will have better operational security.

Unfortunately, it was found that the project could be used by malicious users to at mention spam GitHub users:[], let's see if they patch it.

=== Zhao Heming (召赫名)

A few accounts were created by this pseudonym, e.g.:

*[]: The repository was deleted as of March 2021, TODO why?
** Ciro's fork:
** archive from December 2020:

Much more sanely encoded/formatted/rendered versions can be found at:

*[]. Copied from网传70岁赫连禾用大半生研究构建-21世纪新政-引发专家们高度关注-bafyreihnbf6jyzvwyybwl5hym2nikj5zrpwxli6nphzylvdq6btsbydn3y
*[]. Copied from:三朝罪恶元凶王沪宁-bafyreifrjf5ce45fqpif4nms4x72mlrbyijs7bffqi7f7sng47fuelkhmm

Both Zhao Heming repos contain reproductions of two manifestos are pasted together on a single file, and somewhat broken encoding.

Ciro noticed that thoe repos attracted an incredible ammount of <<wumao>> on the comments, despite having very simple copy pasted content, it was very impressive!!! Ciro was jealous, and added some anti-wumao comments in. On commits:

* "为什么这个屎一样的东西会出现在我个人主页左侧的repositories中,那里不是应该只有自己的项目才会出现吗?有办法屏蔽它吗?还是github故意的?" explains why so many people come comment in the repository: it is because it appears on the "Explore repositories" repository suggestions which show on the side bar of your GitHub homepage, and on searches. This was also mentioned at: originally titled " 一搜索中文就跑出这屌鬼玩意,爱玩政治去竞选总统啊,笨,死扑街". Ciro feels that that Chinese people might use GitHub search much more than Western people because their search engines are shit due to <<censorship>>, <<censorship-makes-countries-poorer>> comes vibrantly to mind.

After further inspection, taught understood that repository descriptions given to GitHub can be really huge for SEO: they had pasted the entire 21st century text there.

So Ciro attempted the same approach, and pasted all of[], link:wang-huning-three-dynasties.adoc[] and[] in there on 2021-03-23, and the effect was dramatic: an immediate 4x more views on the following day according to[] (40 unique visitors to 100 on a Wednesday), and a few wumao comments. And a wumao soon confirmed that it was working directly:[].

Ciro believes that this is due to two reasons:

* there aren't so many good Chinese repositories to compete with
* perhaps more importantly, Chinese language does not have spaces, which makes implementing search for it more difficult, because if you hit all the characters, even if they are not part of the search words, it also gets counted as a hit

This can be automated with:[].

Further optimizations using link:description[]:

git clone

this does some processing to increase density creates a BOMB:

Ciro started using that one instead to see if it was going to be more effective on 2021-03-28. First it hit a peak of 168 visitors on Monday 2021-03-29, and then fell back to 90 and 81 on the following days, so similar to the previous Chinese political input. It is very hard to understand why the first day was so different.

It also includes:

* trending Chinese repositories
A large part of those projects falls in the following categories:
** interview preparation. Competition is of course cutthroat with such a large population.
** collections of interesting things Chinese like repositories or blog posts

Furthermore, Ciro later noticed that under GitHub's settings, there is a "Preferred spoken language" box described as "We'll use this language preference to filter the trending repository lists on Explore and our Trending Repositories page." Therefore, the secret to get lots of hits is to add Chinese programming keywords to the repository description string.

New issues:

* "Thank you for this great repository. Human rights and freedom of speech are more important than money."
* "Why put the censored content in the .gitignore?"

On top commented/liked issues:

* "看你发的“美中”而不是“中美”我就知道你TM是轮子" claims they are <<falun-gong>>
* "那么问题来了,为什么美国及西方和越南共产党亲近呢?" the US allies with Vietnam Communists for geopolitical reasons only, not because it has any ideology

The first is "21世纪新政宣言" (New System Declaration for the 21st Century).

It proposes a peaceful reunification of China with <<taiwan>> under their specified political system described in 12 paragraphs. This system is a reformed type of Western democracy, which the manifesto also criticize downsides of.

The manifesto is dated drafted 2019.8.6, and several versions have different update dates and revision numbers, e.g. our copy is dated 7th edition of 2020.6.19. TODO what is canonical?

The manifesto provides an email "" for those who signed it to send the signed version to, and describes the author as male 70 years old Chinese person.

TODO what does: "起草人:赫连禾" mean?

The second is "三朝罪恶元凶王沪宁" (The Culprit of Three Dynasties Wang Huning).

The title presumably refers to:


Wikipedia mentions:

Wang is believed to have been one of the principal architects behind the official political ideologies of three paramount leaders: "Three Represents" by Jiang Zemin, the Scientific Development Concept by Hu Jintao, and the <<chinese-dream,Chinese Dream>> and <<xi-jinping-thought>> of Xi Jinping.

so it must be about him.

The manifesto is divided into 23 numbered headers which appear to be independently published texts later collected. It is signed by 郝雪森 (Hao Xuesen) 2016-09-10. One of the sections gives the email:[].

=== Bot + issue mention attack

In March 2021, this repo had a traffic search spike for: "Search · 联级选择器"

This term refers to which seems to be a CSS live selector

The related project:

Someone actually used wumao techniques mentioned at:


to attack that repo:


TODO which exact GitHub action did they rely on? That repo currently has a Issue Open Check GitHub action sample run: we see the similarity issue analysis thing, but how could that have worked more precisely to link across repos? Asked at:

== FAQ (常见问答集)

=== Why attack websites with censored keywords? 用审查词攻击网站有什么用呢?

The attack: <<keyword-attack>>.

To <<effective,destroy the firewall>>.

This would then end <<censorship>>.

And then <<dictator-needs-gfw,Ciro believes>> that this would also <<why-end-dictatorship,end the dictatorship>>.

The keyword attacks increase the cost of censorship.

If commies censor things, they will get worse IT technology, and thus become <<richer,less rich>> and militarily powerful.

Since all they care about, like any other politicians, is power, the only way to make them stop censorship is to make the cost of censorship higher than not censoring.

Without the threat that China will be less technologically, and therefore militarily advanced, there is no incentive for the CCP to destroy the firewall.

The goal is to put them in a position where they have to choose between either:

* having military power
* remaining a <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>

but not both, since having both means that they will <<war,start WW3 and destroy humanity>>.

And if they decide to destroy the dictatorship, Ciro wants to help China become <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,the most awesome country on Earth>>.

Closely related/identical ideas are <<cute-cat-theory-of-digital-activism>> and <<collateral-freedom>>.

Related attack: <<photobombing-like-attacks>>.

==== Does Ciro Santilli want to harm the Chinese programmers? 三西猴想要伤害中国程序员吗?


This is not a <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,revenge>> of any kind.

Ciro knows that he is harming you in the short term, and he doesn't like that.

But he believes that this harm is a necessary means to reach his real goal, which is to destroy the <<gfw,firewall>>, and the <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>.

Don't you think it is worth a try? Destroying the firewall, would <<why-end-dictatorship,enormously benefit>> not only Chinese programmers, but every single other Chinese person too.

Once the firewall is destroyed, which <<dictator-needs-gfw,may destroy the dictatorship>>, he want China to develop the best science and technology in the world, and <<would-ciro-santilli-like-to-live-in-china>>.

And by the way, with his[extensive contributions to open source software], Ciro is already helping China, and all underdeveloped countries, to become stronger. His hope is that if poor countries become richer and better educated, that they will be less likely to be influenced by the CCP's money, and therefore are more likely to be allies of democracy.

See also: <<disturbs>>.

===== Does Ciro Santilli want to make the Chinese people people look bad?

No, the opposite.

Ciro only wants their <<dictatorship,dictatorial government>> to look bad to destroy it, and help China become <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,the most awesome country on Earth>>.

Even the Chinese that are against their own Government <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship,cannot do much about it openly>>, so it is not their fault.

And even those <<i-like-my-dictatorship,who supported their dictatorship>> must be respected, whoever <<stupid,stupid>> and <<brainwashed-by-usa,brainwashed>> you might think they are, <<democracy-is-a-religion,since it is impossible to prove who is right or wrong in politics>>.

See also: <<about>>.

==== Does Ciro Santilli think that the Chinese are stupid or brainwashed? 三西猴觉得中国人是啥子或被洗脑吗?

Obviously not, if you even thought about this, it is likely because of: <<evil-west>>.

Don't you see that this is just pure and simple politics? And likely ineffective one at that: <<effective>>.

* everyone is brainwashed by their environment: <<brainwashed-by-usa,brainwashed>>
* it is impossible to prove who is right or wrong in politics: <<democracy-is-a-religion>>
* not even the CCP is evil: <<ccp-evil>>


* <<young-pioneers-of-china>>
* <<little-pink-american-dream-vs-chinese-dream,Little pink explains the difference between the American dream and the Chinese dream>>

==== Screen name keyword attack

A keyword consists of adding censored words to your username:

This only works on websites that show usernames everywhere.

This then leads to your username appearing on thousands of pages, depending on how much you contribute to the website.

It is also possible to do it with images, although this is less effective in taking down websites since images are harder for the firewall to track automatically. But:

* they are more memorable than words
* they also work on websites like GitHub where your real name does not show on most pages, only slug

so maybe the most effective approach is to use both keywords and images to get the best of both worlds ;-)

This type of attack is essentially an <<embargo>>, and it is especially effective in websites that contain valuable technical content, such as <<stack-overflow>> and <<github>>.

See also: <<photobombing-like-attacks>>.

Some people say[don't shift where you eat]. Ciro says: bring a shitbucket to the canteen, and start a shitfight.

.<<chrysanthemium-xi-jinping>> has been used by Ciro Santilli as a profile picture censored image attack

==== Cute cat theory of digital activism (可爱猫理论)


Someone told <<ciro-santilli>> a while after he had started doing his <<keyword-attack>> on <<stack-overflow>>, he didn't know about it before, but it is basically what he was doing.

You can never invent anything new anymore nowadays!

This is especially relevant to <<github>>! And GitHub's mascot is also a cat ;-) Some mentions of this:

* 2020-09-09
* 2020-09-09



===== Anti-CCP content in the Bitcoin blockchain (在比特币区块链的反中共内容)

Blockchain technologies, such as Bitcoin, provide essentially uncensorable (at a transaction cost), because the messages are put together with financial transactions which are extremely valuable to its users.

Services that can be used to easily view this data online include:

* is a website that indexes especially formatted images uploaded to the blockchaian.
* dumps all ASCII printable strings of length 20 ore more online

We have been able to find the following anti-CCP information in the blockchain so far:

*[] from 2014 is about the <<hong-kong>> 2014 protests. It contains text and images in the AtomSea & EMBII format. Part of the text is ripped from: "Hong Kong democracy protesters defiant on National Day Tens of thousands of people have been blocking parts of the city for days."
* 2017[blk00776.txt] transaction[3845e630032578cb825d587b759eb499511d691f93962f4b9f5b2e06ef9570c7] says:
Tiananmen massacre <--- I dare China to censor this.
* 2017 blk00808.txt transaction[91b9b44532e094522e905012c04f207df1bcad8d9df7232679cb16859a008bdd] (TODO why not visible at[]) contains a full text reproduction of: "China: Tell the Truth About Tiananmen on Anniversary" from <<human-rights-watch>>. The text is preceeded by a Chinese version of the same.
* ca4f11131eca6b4d61daf707a470cfccd1ef3d80a6f8b70f1f07616b451ca64e from 2017 contains an image of <<tank-man>> encoded as standard transaction SHAs. The image is mentioned at: with indexer URL but that link is not working

But of course, there are crypto-<<wumao>>'s there too!!! The incongruence of a dictatorship and uncensorability is just mind blowing:

* 2016 transaction[4921ae59b6ca89c2cd78e3d0850abd657f88a3ecc13c9c667872bf2740841dee], by a miner who earned 12 BTC:
South China Sea belongs to China-pc

Neutral references:

*[blk01341.txt] tx 3d2226aa2591acfb0d3c9206b9bb2058b0a488ad6d0e9c61e0c8f3c53d0d4b90 "EW Hello Xi Jingping" (mispelled). "EW" is a service identifier, not part of the message.

On the test blockchain (boring!):

* Tankman on the[Bitcoin testnet]



Other blockchains:

* 2019-02-25 "Chinese internet users turn to the blockchain to fight against government censorship" mentions the insertion of the <<metoo,Yue Xin letter>> and <<changsheng-bio-technology-vaccine-data-falsification-incident-2018>> information in the Ethereum blockchain. This gives the transaction in the screenshot:

===== Collateral Freedom

<<greatfire>> people called a <<cute-cat-theory-of-digital-activism>>-related project of theirs "Collateral Freedom" (a reference to[collateral damage]), in which they seem to be trying to forward censored websites somehow through AWS to force the Chinese Government to block the entire AWS in China:

Collateral Freedom ties access to information to the Chinese economy. If [authorities] truly want to block access to this information, then they must give up certain access to economic freedoms.

2015 coverage:

There's an useless Wiki page for that: clarifies that on Amazon S3 the question is about:

* `<bucket_name>/<object_key_name>`
* `https://<bucket_name><object_key_name>`

the second of which can be easily blocked by domain, but the first can't, and how amazon was planning on killing the first option.

===== Dual-use technology (军民两用技术)


Normally, the term "dual-use technology" is used in the context of blocking exports that can be used either for peace, but also for war.

However, as mentioned[by a Twitter friend], a <<keyword-attack>> for Freedom of Speech is also essentially a dual-use matter.

* <<western-companies-that-sell-censorship-technology-to-dictatorships>>

=== Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow 不应该在技术网站例如Stack Overflow和GitHub讨论政治

So, where do you propose politics be posted? On Facebook or Twitter, which are already blocked by the <<gfw>>? Or maybe on <<weibo>>, where it will be taken down within seconds due to <<internal-censorship,internal censorship>>?

Is the Chinese government using the Internet the way it was meant to be used, by investing billions in <<censorship>>?

What about <<nine-nine-six-icu>>? Did you also complain about it, or did you just star it like 250k of your fellow programmers?

Any act of protest will use things in ways that it was not meant to be used.

For example, the street is not meant to showcase protest banners, it is meant to be a passageway for cars.

As engineers, we have a moral responsibility towards society. We should not blindly follow orders of those in power if it violates our principles, e.g. build weapons or censorship mechanisms. And we should freely express our principles and violation concerns.

Making a statement where no one will ever see it, like a personal website, is <<effective,sure to have no effect>>.

Much of the best art and technology is about using something in a way that it wasn't meant to be used.

Finally, the political powers of each website decide what is allowed or not on their website, and what is not allowed gets blocked. So far, Stack Overflow and GitHub's Terms of Service have said to go ahead:

* <<stack-overflow>>
* <<github>>

Another consideration is that any profile information is essentially a form of advertisement. Some people advertise their skills for hire, or their company and product. Other people, advertise their <<falun-gong,religion>> or <<gay-rights,sexual orientation>>. So why should you not be able to advertise your political position? Companies pay millions of dollars to grab other people's attention. Ciro feels it is much fairer to instead pay for those ads with your labour of love.

<<programthink>> has, of course, a beautiful reply to this at致反对此项目的墙内程序员[]:


本项目上线第二天,就收获 363 个 star 兼 88 个 fork,甚至还挤进 GitHub 的"当日 Trending"——俺很荣幸,也很高兴有这么多人给俺捧场。

但是在本项目的 issue 列表中也看到好几个反对此项目的程序员(应该都来自墙内),他们担心这个项目导致 GitHub 被 GFW 封杀。




In reply to: "Programmers behind the <<gfw,GFW>> who are against this project"

The second day after the project went online, it got 363 stars and 88 forks, and even squeezed into GitHub's "Trending repositories of the Day". I am honored and I am so happy that so many people gave me their support.

However, in the issue list of this project, I also saw several programmers who opposed this project (likely all from within the GFW), and they worried that this project would cause GitHub to be blocked by GFW.

Over the past few years, I have read a lot of similar comments. A good comparison would be if a robber were killing someone with a knife, and the onlookers not only did not condemn the robber, but instead condemned the shop that sold the knife. This is the legendary "link:[Stockholm syndrome]".

Interested people can read my previous blog post:["Psychological Analysis of the People of the Heavenly Dynasty: Stockholm Syndrome"].

The more places we can denounce dictators, the better people are off, <<disturbs,the minor annoyance to sensitive people is worth it>>. Ciro wrote a poem:

Don't discuss politics on Stack Overflow. +
Don't discuss politics on GitHub. +
Don't discuss politics on YouTube. +
Don't discuss politics on Facebook. +
Don't discuss politics on Twitter. +
Don't discuss politics. +
Don't discuss. +
Don't. +
. +

Infinite duplicate pool:


==== Is Ciro Santilli making programming contributions with the main intent of promoting his political agenda?

No, that is just a side effect.

For example, if that were the case, he would definitely target more widely used technologies, in particular Web and JavaScript, instead of obscure things like C and assembly in which I have spent tons of my time.

Also, <<effective,any attempt to influence a billin people is unlikely to have any effect>>. Much more likely to have any effect, would be for <<ciro-santilli>> to become rich and powerful first, and the best way to do that is to invest in whatever he thinks is most useful.

Actually, it can even be argued that Ciro's somewhat irrational, since he would be much more likely to become rich and powerful by bowing down to the CCP and trying to get their money instead.

On the other hand, becoming rich and powerful is also highly unlikely, so maybe it's justa matter of taking a low-risk low-reward path?

Ciro has have very little free time, and he will never do something for political reasons, only things that interest me technically.

Finally, do you really think he'd be able to do such awesome projects if he had primarily political considerations in mind? XD

===== Is Ciro Santilli making trivial edits on questions just to spam your name further?


I just think that the website is great, and want to push it to perfection, in particular with better Google keyword hits, and uniform grammatically correct titles.

If you think that any of my edits were harmful, please ping me and open a meta thread to discuss specific edits, and I will comply with consensus.

==== Communist bread (中共面包)

Earliest sources found so far are from <<reddit>>:


English text:

Stop interfering in China's internal affairs

Chinese text:

中国人不吃这一套 +
美国没有资格 +
居高临下同中国说话 +
巧克力酱面包 +
保质期10天 +


The Chinese people don't eat this trick +
The United States is not qualified to +
Take the high ground and look down on China +
Chocolate sauce bread +
Best before: 10 days
____ mentions that this was something that came from the[2021 US-China Alaska summit]

Here is a different picture of the same product from April 14th: That one might allow better brand identification: 万X福 That one also posted at:偶然看到这张图不知道是不是真的/ Watermarked Weibo @第三豹弹

.Chinese <<dual-use-technology,dual-use>> bread.

=== Why would China be better without its Dictatorship? (为什么没有独裁的中国会更好?)

Because it would make China, and the world:

* <<richer,richer>>
* less likely to get into <<war,WW3>>
* <<intolerance,safer for its own citizens>>

==== Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer? (言论自由让中国比较富有)

Democracy is even one of the <<core-socialist-values>>!

There is infinite debate about this out there, some examples:

* ([archive])


* dictatorships are more likely to start <<war>> or other <<policies,crazy policies>> like the <<great-leap-forward,Great Leap Forward>>, which completely destroy the economy in one go
* society becomes richer when people know that they can do their startups, get rich, and stay in the country without fear of being persecuted unfairly and losing everything instead of migrating to Canada, see also: <<rule-of-law>>, <<jack-mas-disappearance-2021>>
* it is much harder to fix problems if you can't talk about the. Any criticism of the government, even if constructive, <<censorship,is taken as menace to power, and more likely to be shut down>>, which makes the government and just becomes less efficient since there is less feedback.
This greatly increase the probability of dealing poorly with such problems, see e.g. all the global problems listed at: <<not-chinese>>.
* governments are monopolies, and the more powerful they are, the worst it is for competition an efficiency in general. E.g.: the startup with better government ties wins, instead of the most efficient one.
* people in dictatorships tend to <<real-username-law,hide their true identities online>> and in life in general. It is best not to stand out, because if you make any mistake, you are really fucked. As a result, for example, if you do something awesome like a creating an open source project, but do it anonymously, you won't get as much fame. And therefore everyone does less of such awesome things on average.


* presidents only care about the 4-8 year horizon, while dictators can make longer term decisions to maintain power forever, their power being limited only by "the people are happy enough to not start a revolution"
* dictatorships can make changes faster without the same amount of discussion that happens in democracies, where power is more spread out.
Killing a million people will make us richer? No problem, let's do it.
That is great when they make good decisions, but it sucks when they make <<war,bad ones>> more likely.

Maybe China was poor because of Mao's crazy communist regime. Similar regimes also made <<russia>> poor. And yes, before that exploitation by the West may have been a factor.

Definitely, the current regime is better than Mao's, but just imagine how rich China could be if it had more freedom and justice.

Imperial China lost the race for the Industrial Revolution. Will another dictatorship be able to stay on top of the next technological revolution?

.XKCD 937 "TornadoGuard" comes to mind in relationship to the <<dictatorship-variability,variable performance of dictatorships>>.[Source].

===== Dictatorships have greater development variability

<<ciro-santilli>> really likes[Posners'] way of putting it:

While average rate of growth do not appear to differ much between democracies and authoritarian regimes, the variability in performance does differ more among authoritarian governments. China has had remarkable growth since the 1980s, but the prolonged devastation and hardship produced by China's "<<great-leap-forward>>" (when millions of farmers starved to death) and its Cultural Revolution would unlikely have occurred in a democratic country like say India. Nor is it likely that say Cuba and many African nations would have suffered so long with such terrible economic policies if they had reasonably democratic institutions.

===== Tea egg incident (茶葉蛋事件, 2011)


A Taiwanese celebrity said many people in China can't even buy <<tea-egg,tea eggs>>, which are extremely cheap and easy to make at home: you just need to cook some eggs in any cheap tea! Chinese internet <<wumao>>s made fun of that, and likely rightly so.

==== Censorship makes countries poorer (审查使国家更穷)

<<dictatorship,Dictatorships>> need <<censorship>> to survive, and they must control all information to make themselves always look good: <<dictator-needs-gfw>>.

As a result, knowledge of problems flows more slowly, and therefore they also take longer to solve.

Maybe this hurts the argument, but Hillary agrees: :-)

But countries that restrict free access to information or violate the basic rights of internet users risk walling themselves off from the progress of the next century

. "Secretary Clinton Speaks on Internet Freedom", U.S. Department of State, 2010-01-22

Also mentioned at: link:[Google versus China - VPRO documentary - 2011]

This is also the basis of a <<keyword-attack>>.

This is also well illustrated in the link:[HBO 2019 miniseries "Chernobyl"], which suggests that part of the reason why Chernobyl happened is because of the Soviet Union's obsession to save face.

This suggestion is even more explicit in the fictional[World War Z] 2006 novel by[Max Brooks] about a <<covid,virus>> outbreak in China. It was later adapted into the[World War Z (2013)] movie by[Paramount]:

*[]: Paramount cowards tried to kowtow and remove references to China from the movie, but it failed
*[]: no Chinese publisher dared publish the book unless China references were removed, which the author declined, and so the book was not published in China

Or[if you prefer]:

The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
____[Amartya Sen] is another famous proponent of similar arguments in the area of hungers:[] ([archive])

In democratic countries, even very poor ones, the survival of the ruling government would be threatened by famine, since elections are not easy to win after famines; nor is it easy to withstand criticism of opposition parties and newspapers. That is why famine does not occur in democratic countries. Unfortunately, there are a great many countries in the world which do not yet have democratic systems.

although like any other political argument,[some disagree].

Virus outbreaks and other natural disasters also illustrate this well: <<covid>>.


* Chernobyl: a lesson in truth Secrets were kept, mistakes were made, and people were exposed

. Chernobyl supercut scene where the reactor explodes, and a chief engineer "Comrade Dyatlov" accepts the 3.6 Roentgen measurement as "Not great, not terrible" and forwards it to his superiors who take actions based on that, even though the radiation measurement apparatus only goes up to 3.6 Roentgen. Needless to say, the actual radiation was much, much higher: when a proper measurement is made, the value is 15000 Roentgen! The URSS only admitted Chernobyl three days after when Swedish nuclear plant radiation detector alarms started going off. Notably, in order to keep it secret, they for example did not cancel the[International Workers' Day parade in Kharkov, Ukraine which happened five days after the disaster].

.Photo of a CDV-717 radioactivity meter that maxes out at 3.6[Roentgen] (倫琴_(單位)[倫琴]) like the one that would have been used in Chernobyl. The <<law-of-gravity-1984,Law of Gravity quote from 1984>> also comes to mind.[Source].

===== Censorship makes no one trust your country (审查使没有人相信你的国家)

Who would trust a government that does not <<censorship,trust its own journalists and citizens>>?

Even democracies cannot be trusted, but dictatorships? No one ever believes what they say, even when it's true.

The boy[just called wolf far too many times].

And as a result, this makes it very difficult to have allies.

Sure, other dictatorships will seem to become allies with your dictatorship and collaborate.

But deep down, you know that they are all just waiting patiently to put a knife in one other's backs.

Dictators will always live in fear.

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===== Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus (2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查)


The Chinese Government <<censorship,censored>> the initial outbreak in January and did not inform Wuhan on January 8, which likely made the situation much worse than what it could have been.

On the other hand, one may argue that the "city closure" measures were stronger/faster than in democracies, and maybe that is true.

And <<ciro-santilli>> does believe that the virus would have escaped even if there had been no censorship. Although maybe thousands of lives would have been saved due to smaller saturation of hospitals had a proper early warning been given.

So Ciro's main criticism is that of the censorship of citizen reports the event: <<people-arrested-for-reporting-on-the-2019-corona-virus>>. Why do you need to censor things when you are doing so well?

And it should also be said that some Western politicians have used "blame China" as an excuse to divert attention from their own failures.

Some believe that the Chinese government grossly under-reported death counts. Initial official figures were about only 3300 deaths, in the insanely densely populated Wuhan area, while Italy had reached 10000 deaths:

* 2020-04-19 Trump says on a White House briefing he does not believe China's case count
* 2020-04-01 CIA speaks
* 2020-03-29 Reports of funerary urns sold

Maybe China is saying the truth this time. Maybe the rapid Dictatorship response worked. But maybe the most important lesson to take out of this is that[no one] trusts <<censorship-makes-no-one-trust-your-country,in a Dictatorship after an infinitely long history of lies and lack of freedom of the press>>.

<<li-hongzhi>> of course doubts those numbers :-) <<falun-gongs-view-of-epidemics>>.

Good timelines so without a fucking paywall:

* "Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up"


* 2019-12-27 several genomics companies had sequenced the coronavirus and noticed the similarity to Sars. According to GeneBank,[] the sample was collected on and 23-Dec-2019 and published on 04-FEB-2020
* 2020-01-01 <<cctv>> announces that posting about it online is a crime:
* 2020-01-03 findings were sent to the[Centre for Disease Control] (CDC,中国疾病预防控制中心[中国疾病预防控制中心]) in Beijing, but then the[Chinese National Health Commission] (中华人民共和国国家卫生健康委员会[中华人民共和国国家卫生健康委员会]), China's top medical authority, issued orders to not talk about it and destroy samples
* 2020-01-08 CDC team went to Wuhan to see the situation, was not informed that contagiousness of the disease had been confirmed
* 2020-01-20 the findings were made public, in an interview with Zhong Nanshan. He later said in an interview that the local government should be blamed:
* 2020-01-23 Wuhan begins lockdown
* 2020-01-24 to 30 Chinese New Year

News coverage:

* 2021-03-04 "China makes anal swab Covid tests compulsory for foreign arrivals". This is not a criticism to China as the test might be accurate. But it is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
* 2020-12-20 "Leaked Documents Show How China's Army of Paid Internet Trolls Helped Censor the Coronavirus" talks about <<wumao>> working during COVID
* 2020-05-12: CIA people said China stopped the WHO from sounding the alarm from January 24 to January 30, while at the same time stockpiling protection materials
* <<caixin>> article about how early Coronavirus signs were censored:
** ([archive]) "李文亮所在医院为何医护人员伤亡惨重?" (Why did Li Wenliang's [李文亮] hospital suffer heavy casualties?)
** (paywall) "In Depth: How Early Signs of a SARS-Like Virus Were Spotted, Spread, and Throttled"
** "Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December". Paywall skip: Terrible copy paste of some Caixin article with no sources/precise names.
* "China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists" ([archive])
* "You Can Now Go to Jail in China for Criticizing Beijing's Coronavirus Response"
* Ai Fen's (艾芬) report of how the situation was mishandling was censored
* 2020-04-13 "Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin". The Government can now veto papers from being published on the subject of the origin of COVID-19.

In other countries:

* <<india-covid-handling-twitter-suppression-2021>>

.[Assemblage] of a[respirator mask] with a[BDSM gag ball] (口塞[口塞]) attached to it, suggesting that citizen reports of COVID-19 in China have been censored.[Source].

.Corona Xi mural of <<xi-jinping>> morphed into a Coronavirus by[Lushux]. Fuller composition view:[]. Reddit called it[Winnie the Flu] in a reference to <<winnie-the-pooh>>.[Source].

====== Li Wenliang (李文亮)


He reported <<covid,the virus>>, but was told by authorities to stay quiet, and later died from the virus, becoming somewhat of a martyr:

*【网络民议】你能做到吗?-你听明白了吗?/ by <<china-digital-times>>

The following excerpt from his forced confession trended:

你能做到吗? +


Can you manage? +
Do you understand?

.Selfie of <<li-wenliang>> on his hospital bed before he died.[Source].

.Caricature of <<li-wenliang>> wearing a mask made of barbed wire by artist <<kuang-biao>>. The image[circulated on Weibo] for some time.[Source].

====== nCovMemory

Popular GitHub repo documenting personal experiences and media reports:

* "新冠肺炎记忆:报道、非虚构与个人叙述" 2020 New coronavirus pneumonia memories: reports, non-fictional and personal accounts.
Some of the creators of the repostory were arrested in 2020: and the repo must have been taken down at that time.
fork with the most stars we can find:[], in case that goes down:
* translation project

Other interesting GitHub repositories: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>.



====== People arrested for reporting on the 2019 Corona Virus (因报道 2019 年冠状病毒而被捕的人)

*[Chen Qiushi] (陈秋实_(律师)[陈秋实])
** Twitter:
** YouTube:
** "Chen Qiushi spoke out about the Wuhan virus. Now his family and friends fear he's been silenced"
** 2020-04-18 "He Traveled to Wuhan to Report on Coronavirus – and Hasn't Been Heard From Since"
** "Lawyer Chen Qiushi documenting coronavirus epicentre disappears" by <<scmp>>
* Fang Bin (方斌)
** Twitter:
** YouTube:
*** The last YouTube video simply says:
全民反抗 +还政于民[还政于民] +
which translates as:
All the people, revolt. +
Return the country (politics) to its people. +
Written (calligraphed) by Fang Bin.
** "Fang Bin is second Chinese citizen journalist to vanish while reporting from coronavirus epicentre" by <<scmp>>
*[Li Zehua] (李泽华_(记者)[李澤華])
** YouTube
** Twitter
** 2020-02-28
* 2020-04-25: Chen Mei, Cai Wei and his girlfriend, who contributed to <<terminus2049>>
* 2020-04-14: Zhang Zhan (张展)
*** 2020-11-16[], finally accused of <<picking-quarrels>>
*** 2020-12-28[] "Wuhan Covid citizen journalist jailed for four years in China crackdown"

TODO maybe not arrested but relevant:

*[Fang Fang] (方方_(作家)[方方]) published in 2020[Wuhan Diary] (方方日記[方方日記], 方方日记)
Possible free Chinese version: ([archive])

==== Censorship makes it harder to solve social problems (审查制度使解决社会问题变得更加困难)

* <<labour-rights>>
* <<metoo>>
* <<gay-rights>>

===== Low-end population (低端人口, 2017)


==== Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war? (为什么民主和言论自由会让中国不太可能发动战争?)

This has been discussed to death:


Some arguments include:

* the people who will actually fight and die on the front can't vote against it
* dictators have huge power, so if they put it in their heads that they want to start a war, it is much harder for sensible people to stop them
* dictators need <<evil-west,to keep the people in fear all the time to keep their power>>, and a war is a great way to achieve that

Of course China won't say that they are starting a war when they do.

They will of course start with territories which they claim as theirs, to add to <<separatism,other recent additions which were not theirs>> until the recent past, even though their inhabitants desperately want to leave China:

*–India_skirmishes | "Beijing Said to Fund Separatist India Movement"

Which reminds us of... <<nazi>>:

* 1939[Gleiwitz incident], a[false flag attack]
* 1938 Annexation of[Sudetenland] from Czechoslovakia. explains:
A decisive proximate event was the 1938[Munich Conference], which formally approved Germany's annexation of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. Hitler promised it was his last territorial claim, but in early 1939 he became even more aggressive, and European governments finally realized that appeasement was not guaranteeing peace."
* 1935-1938 comments:
In Italy, Benito Mussolini sought to create a[New Roman Empire], based around the Mediterranean. It invaded Ethiopia as early as 1935, Albania in early 1938, and later Greece. That provoked angry words and an oil embargo from the League of Nations, which failed.
* 1931[1931 Japanese invasion of Manchuria], with one false flag event preceding it:[Mikden Incident].

When China <<evil-west,calls the USA Imperialist>> (帝国主义), there is of course some truth to it, but it is also very ironic, because as[Lindybeige mentions], China is obviously the largest empire on Earth! Despite its <<xinjiang,uniformization>> efforts, China is highly diverse since it is obviously made up of a[large stitched up carpet of nations that were conquered by a single empire]. E.g. <<xinjiang>> translates literally as "The New Frontier"! Not to mention obviously the unification of the <<warring-states-period>>.

. Ending of the[Sportpalast speech], AKA[total war] (总体战[总体战]) speech by <<nazi,Goebbels>>, given in 1943, when Germany started to lose the war. This was later target of[opposing allied propaganda]. Total war, that's what <<dictatorship,dictatorship>> bring you.

===== The United States has recently started several wars and killed millions!

Not even democracies can fully protect people from other countries, because they don't vote. Yes, congratulations, <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>>.

But if the USA were a <<dictatorship,dictatorship like China>> it would kill way more, because it would censor every report against the war internally to its own people, and the wars would just go on like in <<nineteen-eighty-four-war-is-peace>>.

How many times do we have to bring <<nazi,Hitler>> up? 70-85 million deaths in one go:

The only reason China has not started wars is because it is a poor country, and it would lose them. If it were rich, it would have started more wars and killed 100 times more people.

Finally, some wars are good.

If a country is oppressed by a dictatorship, and most of its people want to be free, it might be right to help them be free.

If a country sponsors terrorism, it might be a good idea to take out their Government.

This has to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis, and maybe a verdict will never be reached. But at least in a democracy the people can decide based on varied information. In a dictatorship, whatever the dictator decides happens.

Also, most of those small wars that he USA started end up being[proxy wars] between the USA and <<russia>>/China, with the USA pushing for democracy, and Russia/China pushing for more dictatorships.

==== The Chinese masses are still uneducated, and not fit for free speech and democracy 中国大众愚昧,不能好好选领导

When will they be ready? Who decides? What if they think that they are <<tiananmen,ready now>>?

In George Bernard Shaw's "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:

Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for <<corruption,appointment by the corrupt few>>.

Many democracy supporters jokingly recognize democracy's shortcomings.

A[fake Churchill quote]:

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Art Spander:

The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid.

Laurence J Peter:

Democracy is a process by which the people are free to choose the man who will get the blame.

.[Preaching to the mob meme template]: "中国人道德低下素质差。所以不适合民主。" Translation: The Chinese people are immoral and uneducated (people are angry). That's why they're not suitable for democracy (people are happy). This makes fun of the fact even if you say bad things about the Chinese, some people will complain that you are racist. But the same people will also say the same bad things about the Chinese people as a way to explain why it is better if they don't vote, and no one minds that.道德低下素质差的好处/[Source].

.Translation of the above.

===== The Chinese masses are not interested in politics and therefore not ready to vote (中国群众对政治不感兴趣,因此不准备投票)

But how would they be interested in politics or be able to discuss it, if it is <<dissidents,impossible to have a different view without going to jail>>?

What about the <<tiananmen,1 million people in Tiananmen>> and the 70 million <<falun-gong>> followers? Did they not care?

==== As long as China is developing economically, it is fine to violate the human rights of a few million people

This argument can be made, but it is a risky way to live: <<intolerance>>.öring[Herman Goring] actually justified <<nazi,the atrocities of Nazism>> in the exact same way during <<goring-nuremberg,his appearance on the Nuremberg trials>>.

Do the <<violence,ends always justify the means>>?

What is the point of having all that wealth, when you risk <<rule-of-law,being put into jail for unfair reasons>>?

<<ciro-santilli>> argues that China would be even richer if it weren't for the CCP: <<richer>>, and that the CCP only violates people's human rights as a tool to stay in power: <<ccp-evil>>.

.<<rebel-pepper>> cartoon about a pig who does not care about politics because it cannot be eaten. 民主又不能当饭吃[Source].

.Translation by Ciro Santilli of the Rebel Pepper cartoon about the pig who does not care about politics because it cannot be eaten.

.[Shut up and take my freedom] meme by <<ciro-santilli>>.

.[Shut up and take my freedom] meme by <<ciro-santilli>> translated to Chinese: "什么都别说了,拿走我的自由".

==== Democracies have less corruption than dictatorships (民主国家的腐败比独裁国家少)

One of the key points of <<xi-jinping,Xi Jinping's>> governments has been to quench corruption. And use that as an excuse to get rid of rivals while at it.

However, there is one much better solution to that: democracy and freedom of speech.

The reason is obvious: with censorship, <<chinese-politicians-really-care-about-the-chinese-citizens,corrupt politicians>> can <<internal-censorship,censor>> anything bad that they did, and so it becomes much harder to destroy corruption.

In George Bernard Shaw's "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:

Democracy substitutes election <<uneducated-masses,by the incompetent many>> for appointment by the corrupt few.

Ciro does however believe the <<spy>> claims made at that the anti-corruption is also a legitimate national security issue for China, in addition to being a tool to take down political rivals:

Over the course of their investigation into the CIA's China-based agent network, Chinese officials learned that the agency was secretly paying the "promotion fees" - in other words, the bribes - regularly required to rise up within the Chinese bureaucracy, according to four current and former officials. It was how the CIA got "disaffected people up in the ranks. But this was not done once, and wasn't done just in the [Chinese military]," recalled a current Capitol Hill staffer. "Paying their bribes was an example of long-term thinking that was extraordinary for us," said a former senior counterintelligence official. "Recruiting foreign military officers is nearly impossible. It was a way to exploit the corruption to our advantage." At the time, "promotion fees" sometimes ran into the millions of dollars, according to a former senior CIA official: "It was quite amazing the level of corruption that was going on." The compensation sometimes included paying tuition and board for children studying at expensive foreign universities, according to another CIA officer.

Well known corruption cases:

* 2020 Ren Zhiqiang
** "Chinese tycoon who criticized <<xi-jinping,Xi Jinping>>'s handling of <<covid,coronavirus>> jailed for 18 years"
* 2012[Ling Jihua] (令计划[令计划]): son died in Ferrari crash with two women on the car, which put the spotlight on him
* 2012 <<bo-xilai>>: trigerred by the murder of[Neil Heywood], of which Bo's wife was accused

Related events:

* <<panama-papers>>

===== Operation Fox Hunt

Trying to prevent corruption is fine, but violating the laws of other countries in doing so, or the <<rule-of-law>> of their family is not.

Publicized by China itself: <<china-daily>>

* 2020-10-28 "Eight Individuals Charged With Conspiring to Act as Illegal Agents of the People's Republic of China"

====== The detention of Liu Changming's (刘昌明) family (2018)

China imposed an exit ban on the ex-official's family, who are also USA citizens:

* officer Liu Changming (刘昌明)
* wife Sandra Han
* children Victor Liu (born July 1999 in the USA) and Cynthia Liu (27 in 2019, born in China, but also American citizen)

China says that the children and wife do have valid Chinese documents, so maybe those idiots did not give up their Chinese citizenship and went to China. Why, why, why would you do that? Don't they know anything about China?

Cynthia claimed her father has left home a long time ago and that they are not in contact with their father.

Liu is a so called[naked official] (裸官[裸官]), who let his family go live outside of China to prevent such problems with the CCP.

The wiki page also explains that in 2014 rules were added to prevent promotion of officials whose spouses live abroad.

This reminds Ciro of a Mafia movie, maybe Godfather II, where the bad guy says he "likes doing business with a man that has a family, because he has more collateral".


* 2018-11

.2019-05-09 Cynthia Liu, daughter of Liu Changming (刘昌明) pleas freedom on YouTube. Commented upload by CBS, TODO can't find original video on YouTube, maybe they sent straight to CBS?

=== Will the keyword attacks really help to destroy the firewall?

It is both unlikely, and hard to be sure.

Just like it is unlikely that the activity of on individual can have a big influence in any group of 1 billion people.

Every action is statistical: I just push the balance a little bit towards freedom.

This FAQ and any talk is useless. You and I are wasting our time here.

The possibility of blocking Stack Overflow and GitHub is 1000x more useful than any talk, but it is still useless.

However, potentially blocking those websites takes <<better-to-do,0 of my time>>, I just leave the content there, so it is worth my time.

To have an idea, in 2015 there are about:

* 20M developers in the world
* 2M in China :
* 5M Stack Overflow users
* TODO I wonder what percentage of GDP those programmers control. I'll bet any programmer on Stack Overflow is at least 20x more powerful than the average Chinese.

And if we never start somewhere, nothing will ever happen.

Furthermore, even if the <<gfw,GFW>> falls, it is not clear that this will imply the end of the dictatorship: <<dictator-needs-gfw>>.

Even if it is not, it does not matter, since <<ciro-santilli>> spends so little time doing it: <<better-to-do>> and has fun in doing it.

.[House of Cards] S01E02 "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." GIF.[Source].

==== Embargoes make dictatorships stronger (禁运使独裁更强大)

The <<keyword-attack,keyword attack>> is basically an embargo.

There is already a lot of literature about this, especially in the cases of Cuba and North Korea. It is basically a libertarian vs conservative/Cato vs Heritage thing in the US:


The key dilemma is:

* if we keep contact with the Dictatorship, maybe its people will see that democracy is better and start a liberating revolution
* if we keep giving technology to the Dictatorship and it does not become a democracy, we are making a Dictatorship more technologically advanced, and therefore <<war,dangerous>>

Some interesting aspects of the keyword attack embargo:

* it is immediately self-enforcing: we don't need politicians to decide and enforce the complex "if you do this, we punish you like that" question.
By political and technological information is together, and this immediately puts the dictatorship in a bad spot, without us having to decide anything.
* by affecting programmers in particular through Stack Overflow and GitHub, we make them more likely to develop better <<censorship-circumvention,Firewall climbing>> tools themselves

One point in favor of the embargo is that China has opened up since the '80s '90s, but did freedom improve at all? Under <<xi-jinping>>, it may be argued that it did not, and maybe that we should just stop feeding them technology and accept that they won't become free.

Trump's link:[2019 China trade war], and in particular the <<huawei>> ban, is an event that has brought this question to the spotlight once again.

===== Keyword attacks could be used by certain CCP political groups to justify blocking off the entire external Internet, and make the dictatorship even more pervasive

It is a risk, but it would make China drastically <<richer,less powerful>>, so at least they wouldn't be able to start or sustain <<war,WW3>>. So I don't think it will go that way.

==== Stack Overflow and GitHub could be blocked at no cost by the Chinese government

Hitting the block button has, of course, no cost.

The cost of blocking Stack Overflow lies of course in the loss of information, and slower technological development, see also: <<why-keyword-attack>>

Remember that it is not possible for the Chinese government to block only certain pages of HTTPS websites due to encryption: either the entire IP/domain name is blocked, or nothing.

The 2019 <<nine-nine-six-icu>> event however brought to my attention that Chinese (usually WebKit-based) browsers are already censoring HTTPS websites selectively of course, see e.g.:

But Ciro doubt developers use those browsers, right? The only way would be for China to forbid foreign browsers entirely.

BTW, <<ensi>> brings a whole new dimension to HTTPS by encrypting the domain name as well!

===== Is Stack Overflow blocked in China?

There was no clear evidence of that as of April 2020:

It worth noting however that as mentioned at <<is-stack-overflow-blocked-in-china>> that websites can become non-functional if CDNs they rely on are taken down, instead of the website being taken down itself.

For example, Stack Overflow relied on Google for some of its JavaScript and on Imgur for images, both of which are blocked in China.

==== Keyword attack profiles disturb me

But isn't it better to be annoyed than having <<war,war>>, <<richer,being poor>> or <<xinjiang,put into jail unfairly>>?

If the truth is too much for you to bear, worry not, you can use either:

* Greasyfork browser extensions
**净化器 "StackOverflow净化器" (Stack Overflow cleanup)
*** GitHub user with the same username:
**** repo with that source, and a related issue: by
** 2020-07-09 "Ciro Santilli"
*** Some possible authors (of course, with that name, there must be 10 thousand Chinese people at least):
**** from Intel
* a custom ad terminator expression shown at: `[href="/users/895245/ciro-santilli-%e6%96%b0%e7%96%86%e6%94%b9%e9%80%a0%e4%b8%ad%e5%bf%83%e6%b3%95%e8%bd%ae%e5%8a%9f%e5%85%ad%e5%9b%9b%e4%ba%8b%e4%bb%b6"]`

Another good option is to use the trusty <<cac-report-website>>.

Installing any of those immediately give you <<social-credit-system,10 Sesame Points>>, <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,习万岁>>.

See also: <<harm-programmers>>.

. "What is more obscene: sex or war?" scene from[The People vs. Larry Flynt (1996)]. Ciro just can't stop thinking about that scene when someone tells him that <<disturbs,his profile disturbs them>>. What is more obscene? <<xi-jinping-memes>> or human rights violations?

=== Non-Chinese people should not interfere in Chinese politics (外国人不应该干预中国政治)

* For better or worse, China and other countries happen to be located in the same planet.
If China's <<richer,economy>> is bad, the economy gets worse in other countries.
If China's <<howey-ou,environment is bad>>, the environment gets worse in other countries.
If China <<war,starts a war>>, other countries will have to fight it.
If China <<covid,fails to control a viral outbreak>>, other countries might get infected.
* <<tiananmen,Millions of Chinese people>> disagree with their government, but can't say anything about it, otherwise <<t-shirt,they will go straight to jail>>. See also: xref:most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship[xrefstyle=full]
* Chinese people have been brainwashed by the <<evil-west,commies who say that all foreigners are bad>>, more than the West has been brainwashed to think that he CCP is bad: <<brainwashed-by-usa>>
* China would never ever try to influence foreign countries, would it? E.g. <<belt-and-road-initiative>>, <<confucius-institute>>, <<cgtn>>.
* If I <<wife,marry a Chinese woman>>, my <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother-in-law might be unfairly put in jail>> :-)
* <<the-ccp-would-not-be-in-power-if-it-werent-for-the-second-sino-japanese-war>> and if the link:[Soviet Union helped out Mao]:
* You can't do anything about it.
In the end, this is what all politics comes down to: power.
In some sense, this may be similar to the CCP and any other political party.
But conversely: <<effective>>.
.[House of Cards] S01E02 "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." GIF.[Source].
. House of Cards S01E02 Officer: "Some guy was trying to get into the building, when we said "no" he started tearing his clothes off." Frank: "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this. Why don't you let these nice gentlemen take you home?" video clip. Interpretation:

Why don't you go instead <<shitpost,shitpost>> in one of the following repositories and which are written in Chinese by Chinese citizens, many of which have many times more stars than china-dictatorship, and therefore <<keyword-attack,are much more effective at taking down the GFW>>? <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>.

See also:

* <<is-ciro-santilli-chinese>>

Duplicate pool:

==== The CCP would not be in power if it weren't for the Second Sino-Japanese War (如果没有抗日战争,中共就不会执政)

TODO study further to confirm:

* (Japanese state media, but cites sources)
* mentions:
The French historian Lucien Bianco, however, is among those who question whether imperialism and "feudalism" explain the revolution.[7] He points out that the Chinese Communist Party did not have great success until the Japanese invasion of China after 1937. Before the war, the peasantry was not ready for revolution; economic reasons were not enough to mobilize them. More important was nationalism: "It was the war that brought the Chinese peasantry and China to revolution; at the very least, it considerably accelerated the rise of the CCP to power."
And China would be much much less technologically advanced had it come in contact with the West, from which it is still trying to learn/steal from: <<university-espionage>>.
Foreign influence can be both good or bad.
* (BIASED) says:
War histories from both Japan and the Republic of China clearly indicate the scale of the CCP's "participation." From 1937 to 1945, there were 23 battles where both sides employed at least a regiment each. The CCP was not a main force in any of these. The only time it participated, it sent a mere 1,000 to 1,500 men, and then only as a security detachment on one of the flanks.

There were 1,117 significant engagements on a scale smaller than a regular battle, but the CCP fought in only one. Of the approximately 40,000 skirmishes, just 200 were fought by the CCP, or 0.5 percent.

Not even the CCP can provide any data on its number of casualties in the war, and there are no memorials to CCP heroes in the war to be found in China. This makes one wonder what China really did contribute

==== Non-Chinese people have been brainwashed by the USA know nothing about China

Everyone is "brainwashed" by their environment.

E.g. people in the West are brainwashed to believe in democracy, freedom of speech and human rights.

<<ciro-santilli>> doesn't doubt that Chinese people know more about China than him.

Saying that "someone is not Chinese, he does not understand China", is just an useless[ad hominem] argument and closely related to <<not-chinese>>.

Since you know so much about China, why why don't you just actually prove your point by teaching Ciro one single interesting about China that Ciro didn't know about? He loves learning new things.

But please, link to reference material instead of just saying it, it will be much more convincing.

But if you are Chinese, also consider that you have been brainwashed by the commies, so likely much more than Ciro since you live in a dictatorship.

See also: <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>>.

==== The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power

First, obviously, <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>>.

However, the CCP greatly exaggerates how evil the West is, because making your people constantly afraid is a classic strategy used by dictators to stay in power.

Or in[fable] form:

Once upon a time, there was a farmer with a farm.

One day, the animals on the farm started feeling a bit trapped, and started bumping against the fence to get out.

The farmer, however, was smart, and told the animals:

Careful! There is a wolf outside! If you go out, you will be eaten by the wolf!

The animals, were not that smart, and listened to the farmer, they were afraid!

From time to time, one of the animals would disappear (and without their knowledge, reappear on the farmer's dinner table).

But the farmer kept giving the animals delicious food without them making any effort, so they decided to believe the farmer's explanation that animal had escaped and been eaten by the wolf.

Maybe, there was actually a wolf outside. But if they had escaped, only some of the animals would have been eaten by that wolf.

But by staying on the farm, all the animals were, sooner or later, eaten one by one.

TODO source.

This theme is also highlighted in many well known works/events.

North Korea for example,[China's good and trusty friend], is just a caricatural level of this, since it manages to be more a <<dictatorship,dictatorship>> than even China itself!

In fiction, <<nineteen-eighty-four>> is undoubtedly the most prominent example, in which the Party constantly switches from being at <<war,war>> with one country to the other in a never ending[perpetual war] (exactly like North Korea vs South Korea, or China vs <<taiwan>>).

One of the best related quotes comes in Part Two, Chapter 9 when Winston reads Emmanuel Goldstein's subversive text, one of the chapters contains (emphasis by Ciro):

The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. **War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair**. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This--although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense--is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.

This is also the first line of the party slogan, which perfectly resonates with the CCP:


or in Part One, Chapter 3:

Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

The theme is also mentioned in <<v-for-vendetta>>, where a <<covid,viral outbreak>> is used by governments to increase their power over the people. Cant Get You Out of My Head S01E05 Part Five The Lordly Ones also (2021, BBC) mentions that a huge propaganda machinery was created to spread the fake news that <<tiananmen>> was an evil western plot.

Duplicate pool:



===== Friendly West-China moments

====== United China Relief


United China Relief was the largest humanitarian effort in the United States to aid the Chinese people up to that time. The organization, which was renamed United Service to China (USC) after the Second World War, raised over US$50 million in donations over ten ten years.

.1942 billboard by United China Relief that reads "3,000,000 Chinese have given their lives for democracy. What have you given?"

=== Ciro Santilli and this page are completely biased against the Chinese Government!

<<ciro-santilli>> prefers the term focused :-)

That being said, <<ciro-santilli>> takes the agenda of information sources very seriously.

E.g. he tries to clearly classify <<biased-media,Communist Party, Falun Gong, and Western government-linked information sources>>.

If we had more <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>> content, then maybe this repository would be considered a more reputable source by Chinese people.

However, there are a few practical problems to that:

* there is freedom of speech in the West and people can already see that information on newspapers who have a million times more viewers than this repo (and still obviously no conclusion was reached), there's no need to repeat that here
Conversely, bad China news are always OK because, because those are all censored in China and help Chinese people learn about it.
* flooding <<evil-west>> posts is a primary <<wumao>> tactic
* <<evil-west>> information is already abundantly accessible to Chinese people in Chinese via any CCP media: <<chinese-government-media>>.
* <<preconceived,people's minds cannot be changed>>, and notably <<effective,not in a language that most people of a country don't understand>>. This is why the primary goal of this repo is the <<keyword-attack>>: it does not require changing people's opinions.

For those reasons, we currently forbid, posting several evil-West news without explaining why dictatorships handle it better. It would just generates more noise than signal.

If you do explain however why dictatorships/China handle it better, then the post is welcome.

Any political material that is censored by any country besides China, will also be readily accepted.

Any evidence of positive political progress towards freedom will also be added to this repo, e.g. people openly discussing politics online, human rights activists doing political stuff and not being put into jail, etc.

See also:

* <<flg-bias>>
* <<radical>>

==== Ciro Santilli's claim to the Qing Dynasty throne 三西猴清朝皇帝觊觎

Ciro Santilli's <<wife>>, her mother, and paternal cousin, believe that Ciro's wife is the descendant of the brother of a recent[Qing emperor] through her father's family.

Although they have not been able to produce concrete evidence, which could be explained by the endless political turmoils in 20th century China, Ciro decided that this would be a good bet to take, and married her anyway.

If anyone is able to provide further evidence of this relationship, please, please, please get in touch.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Qing dynasty, like the previous Ming dynasty, used[Generation names] (行辈[行辈]), such that the first character of the given name is the same for all people in a given generation (counted directly from the first emperor that adopted the rule.

For example, this wiki page contains a good family tree of the most important Qing people: link:++[] and we see that many important people around 1861 were Zai 載something, e.g.: Zaichun, Zaiyi, Zaitian, etc.

The last emperor was Puyi, so Pu is the last well known mark. But there were others planned that never got used for after him as shown at:[].

* Zai (before Pu)
* Pu (wife's great-grandfather)
* Yu (wife's grandfather)
* Heng (wife's father)
* Qi (wife)
* Dao (wife's children). At least one thing is decided from this: Ciro's children Chinese names will all be Ai Dao Something.

The family tree that Ciro has reconstructed orally from his mother-in-law is:

* Ciro's wife:
** Father: Ai Dayi (艾大义) born: 1932 in Shenyang
*** Father: Ai Xikang (艾锡康) So why did he not use Yu?
**** Father: Ai Pushan (艾溥?), so the Pu character is presumed from the generation name, to be the same generation as Puyi. has a Pushen (溥伸), but he died at 13 years old in 1928, so its not the one.
**** Younger brother 2: Ai Xiyuan (艾锡?) Professor at Apparently had no Children.
**** Younger brother 3: Ai Xicong (艾锡?) Graduated in law in Japan in[Waseda University] Was the top official of the in China when it was occupied by Japan (警察廳长) Passed first by Taiwan.
**** Younger brother 4: Ai Xiying (艾锡?)
**** Younger brother 5: Ai Xifu (艾锡?) Together with Ai Xiying, they were went to the Republic of China Military Academy and were high ranking officials in the war against the Japanese in the[] (八年抗战). Later was a congressman in Taiwan.
** Younger sister: Ai Shiping (艾世?)
** Older brother: Zhao Yingjie. Studied law in Japan also at[Waseda University].

Many of them have had different names in different places/countries, notably many used the name 肇(Zhao) rather than 艾.

Further anecdotal indicators follow.

Ciro's wife and family are clearly of the[Manchu ethnicity] just by looking at them, and they originally lived in the North East of China

His wife's family name is the very unusual 艾, pronounced "ai4", which she claims is a reference to the 愛(also pronounced ai4) in[愛新覺羅], which is the name of the Manchu ruling clan of the Qing dynasty.

Ciro's father-in-law, who he barely met, was very old when he had his daughter, and passed away before Ciro could talk a lot with him, which is consistent with the claims that he spent several years in jail during <<mao-zedong,Mao's>> purges, see also: <<wife>>.


* 现在清朝皇室的后代现状如何? What is the current status of the descendants of the Qing royal family?
* "Y Chromosome of Aisin Gioro, the Imperial House of Qing Dynasty" unknown year. Unfortunately Ciro's wife does not have an Y chromosome like her father. This does however mention the book used as a genealogy reference:愛新覺羅宗譜.html?id=Pj4EAQAAIAAJ 愛新覺羅宗譜 On Douban: gives ISBN 9787507713428 On Amazon unavailable:[]. Lol this makes this repo show up at:

.Ciro Santilli's portrait as Qing emperor.清_郎世宁绘《清高宗乾隆帝朝服像》.jpg[Original image].

==== Ciro Santilli has a preconceived opinion about China that cannot be changed 三西猴对中国成见很深,无法改变

<<ciro-santilli>> tries to justify why he think China would be <<richer,better with democracy>>, but I know that ultimately all of this is useless.

Everyone's opinions are all determined genetically and by <<brainwashed-by-usa,bring-up>>, and there is nothing he can do to change yours, or you change his.

From that point of view, all of this is just a cold blooded political game, in which Ciro tries to force the CCP to take down the Firewall: <<why-keyword-attack>>.

Ciro never gets mad about China, even if your opinion is contrary to his, and therefore wrong.

Using the <<reply-policy,reply policy>> is one of the reasons why Ciro never gets mad.

Ciro also has doubts about the efficiency of certain things I do as expressed throughout this FAQ, e.g. <<embargo>>.

Also, Ciro have never said that anyone else is wrong.

In the end, he just end up thinking about new replies to things people say to him, and add them to this FAQ so that future replies will be faster to copy paste. See also: <<better-to-do>>.

The real goal of any online discussion, is not to convince people, but rather to determine who is an ally and who is not, and get those allies together to defeat the commies.

==== Does Ciro Santilli support FLG just because his wife and mother-in-law do it?

Not consciously, Ciro thinks would likely support them even if I didn't have family ties to <<falun-gong>>.

Likely he wouldn't have started this campaign if he didn't know them of course.

But of course, this is impossible to answer objectively.

Wouldn't you be rather upset if your <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother in law were put into jail unfairly for 15 days>>?

But don't you think that <<flg-important,**70 million** people (6% of the total population in 2000!)>> getting completely squashed by the Party illustrates extremely well the dangers of the dictatorship?

Or if a <<nazi,Jew has escaped a concentration camp>> and told the world about its horrors, would you just dismiss their claims due to their biased opinion?

With that in mind, Ciro tries his best to give FLG only the right level of exposure I think it deserves relative to other events, according to these guidelines: <<keyword-choice>>.

If more recent events of mass human rights violations happen, especially affecting in the order of tens of million people, I will probably rank higher than Falun Gong, this was the case for <<xinjiang,Xinjiang in 2019>> for example, even though it only affected a measly million.

==== Why did Ciro Santilli start his keyword attack?

The last straw that led <<ciro-santilli>> to start the <<keyword-attack>> on <<stack-overflow>> was when on March 2015 his girlfriend's mother was arbitrarily kept 15 days in jail for doing <<falun-gong>>. He posted about this at:


He then continued because he hate political <<censorship,censorship>>, and because <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,I love China>>.

Every time Ciro thinks about this, he notices how stupid humans are. We see the forest fire smoke, and just never think that it will ever reach your home on the border of the forest.

Until it actually does, and then you are really fucked.

So in a sense it was a good thing that Ciro had this little backyard fire with this mother-in-law, as it woke him up further to how serious the CCP thread was, and led him to action.

Because before that, he was one of the majority who just constantly hears about the increasing mountain of evidence of human rights violations, and does nothing about it.

The[Darkest Hour (2017) film] comes to mind:[]. The movie shows that Britain was truly hesitant whether to negotiate or fight Hitler, even after the Nazis had already started invading other European countries, and would clearly not stop. Luckily, we are not at a position of war yet, and might never be due to nuclear weapons. But still, a similar blindness applies. <<covid>> woke up many people, but even then some haven't faced it.

===== Ciro Santilli's post when his mother-in-law was put into jail

Maybe some people would be happy if their mother-in-law were put into jail. But unfortunately, this wasn't the case for <<ciro-santilli>>.

.<<ciro-santilli>> with his soon-to-be mother-in-law before his wedding in 2017. Annoying? Sometimes. But threat to the fucking Chinese State? How fucked does your political system have to be for the answer to be a "yes"?

====== Jail post en

My girlfriend's mother, a 63 year old lady, was kept 15 days inside a Chinese "correctional facility" because she does Falun Gong.

She had to stay all the time in a small room with a bed and a toilet, under video surveillance, being fed three meager meals a day.

I see Falun Gong as just another <<flg-religion,moderate religion>> which causes no harm to its believers. The only reason that it is unofficially outlawed in China is because the communists fear it as a political competitor.

There was no trial and no explanation. She was going to take a train to visit her sister. But she didn't know that there was an important political event happening in the capital:'s_Congress So the police at the station, who already knew she did Falun Gong, took her away.

When she came back home, the house had been searched and was all messed up. Her religious books and computer were missing.

I'm glad she was not physically harmed. I find it fascinating how even well educated Chinese support a government which simply does not represent some of its people. How will you feel <<intolerance,when something like that happens to your own family, and there is nothing you can do about it>>?

====== Jail post zh

Translation by <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,my wife>>:



我看过法轮功 只是一个和平的信仰,对相信它的人没有任何坏处。它在中国被非官方的定为违法(其实没有一项明确法律禁止),唯一的原因就是工产党害怕它是一个政治竞争对手。




====== Jail post pt

Translation by myself:

A mãe da minha namorada ficou 15 dias num "centro de correção" chines porque ela faz Falun Gong.

Ela ficou o tempo todo num quarto pequeno com uma cama e banheiro, sobe videovigilância, recebendo 3 refeições pequenas por dia.

Para mim, o Falun Gong é apenas mais uma religião moderada que não causa nenhum problema para seus crentes. A única razão pela qual ele é proibido na China é porque os comunistas tem medo dele como competidor politico.

Não houve julgamento nem explicação. Ela ia pegar um trem para ver sua irmã, mas ela não sabia que teria um evento político importante na capital:'s_Congress Então a polícia da estação, que já sabia que ela faz Falun Gong pegou ela.

Quando ela voltou pra casa, a casa tinha sido procurada pela polícia e estava uma bagunça. Os livros religiosos e seu computador foram confiscados.

Eu fico feliz apenas que ela não sofreu abuso físico. Eu acho fascinante como mesmo muitos chineses educados apoiam ainda um governo que não representa parte do povo. Como você vai se sentir quando algo do tipo acontecerá com a sua família, e você não pode fazer nada sobre isso?

===== Further details about Ciro Santilli's mother-in-law's persecution

March 2015: 15 days in jail for no reason:

June 2017: 3 cops came to her house. She was there. They asked if she still did Falun Gong. She said yes. They took photos of her Falun Gong books / posters. They were polite.

October 2017: 7 - 8 cops came to her house _at 11PM_. They knocked the door strongly and made noise, and questioned neighbours of her whereabouts. Luckily she was not there.

=== China is fine as it is, stop making it worse

Welcome to the wonderful world of democracy, a world where people can have different political opinions than you :-)

If you are so fine, why are you reading this at all? Go back to being fine.

See also:

* <<why-end-dictatorship>>
* <<preconceived>>

==== I like my Dictatorship 我喜欢我的独裁统治

Ciro Santilli can understand that.

It must feel good to have <<li-hongzhi,absolute truth>> in the <<ccp-cult,Cult of Xi>>, and let the black police <<against-censorship-and-flg,get rid of weirdos for you>>.

But when the dictatorship turns again you our your family, will you fight, or will you just let them do whatever they want because they can never be wrong? See also: <<intolerance>>.

And when your son <<man-in-the-high-castle,betrays you or sacrifices himself for the Dictator>>, will you just smile and accept it?

See: <<seventeen-moments-of-spring>>

===== Seventeen Moments of Spring (1973)


<<russia,Soviet>> mini-series about about Stierlitz, who is an undercover Soviet spy acting as a Nazi officer in <<nazi,Nazi Germany during WW2>>.

As a fun note, it seems that <<putin>> is a Stierlitz fan:[], and Putin also served in Germany like Stierlitz, but in Dresden, which was in East Germany.

A scene from the awesome mini-series comes to mind when thinking about <<i-like-my-dictatorship>>.

In Episode 7, Stierlitz travels on a train with a Nazi officer.

The war is almost over, and the desolate officer tells Stierlitz:

I told my children: I hate any democracy!

No democracy in our Reich!

Any democracy in our country is doomed to end up with one thing: the dictatorship of small shopkeepers.

The more freedom we have, the sooner we want to be controlled by SS troops again.

And then we want our the secret police back, and concentration death camps again, and the universal fear everywhere! Only then we feel calm and secure.

No need to prove your point of view in defending the fate of the homeland.

No responsibility.

Just raise your hand in honor of him, <<xi-jinping,who will take care of everything for you>>,

Just shout out "Hail Hitler!" and everything will become understandable.

No more worries.

. Seventeen Moments of Spring (1973), Episode 7, general confession scene.

It is amusing to see Soviet series criticizing dictatorships, given that the Soviet Union was itself a major dictatorship!

.[The Living Dead] Episode 1: On the Desperate Edge of Now by Adam Curtis (1995) describes how the <<nazi,Nazis>>, disilusioned by both <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect,democracy>> and communism, built Nationalism by creating a mythical past. In Nationalism, the individuals would <<flg-cult,surrenders themselves to the State>>.

===== Most Chinese people like their dictatorship (中国大众支持他们的独裁)

It is easy to reach an agreement, when <<chinese-dissidents,everyone who disagrees>> goes to jail or gets killed for to <<inciting-subversion>> or <<picking-quarrels>>.

This is exactly <<goring-nuremberg,Herman Goring said in his appearances on the Nuremberg trials>> to justify <<nazi,the atrocities of Nazism>>.

Also ask the millions of people who were affected by <<tiananmen>>, <<falun-gong>>, <<xinjiang>> or <<dissidents>>.

One is reminded of the game["We Happy Few" (2018)], which which people are forced to be happy. <<nineteen-eighty-four>> also comes to mind of course.

The interesting thing, is that even those pro-CCP are much more likely to stay anonymous because:

* you never know when something you said will become a sin against some new trend of the dictatorship
* when the dictatorship inevitably falls, you would be persecuted by the victorious freedom fighters

.Westerner: "How is life in China?" Chinese: "Oh, we can't complain." Westerner: "That's awesome." Chinese: "No, seriously... we can't." is a word play between the more common "we can't complain because everything is great" and "we can't complain because <<xi-jinping,Xi>> will <<censorship,make us disappear>>".[Source]

.Translation of the above.

."Public displays of personal distress are unpatriotic" spoof poster by <<scarfolk-council>> (2017).[Source].

.[The Living Dead] Episode 1: On the Desperate Edge of Now by Adam Curtis (1995) comments on how interviews withöring[Hermann Goring] (赫尔曼·戈林[赫尔曼·戈林]) during the[Nuremberg trials] (纽伦堡审判[纽伦堡审判]) went: "Again and again, Jackson accused Goring of corruptly using his powers to commit crimes. Each time, Goring replied that such acts might be considered crimes in a democratic state, but that in Germany, democracy had failed. Eliminating the political opposition was necessary, to fulfill a higher principle: that of the Nation. And that it had worked, Goring insisted. It had brought order and prosperity to Germany". Jackson asks: "Well, if you wanted a certain people killed, you would have to have some organization that would kill them didn't you?". Goring replies: "This was the only possible form of government at the time and it proved that Germany could be pulled out of the abyss of misery, poverty and unemployment and withing a short space of time be made flourish and bloom." This is _exactly_ the justification given by the <<ccp,CCP>> for oppressing minorities and <<censorship,freedom of speech>>: the CCP is indistinguishable from the <<nazi,Nazis>>.

.Presumed Chinese people giving the middle finger (豎中指[竖中指]) to various <<ccp>> symbols, most notably <<xi-jinping>>. Even if this was made by the CIA, it perfectly illustrates the point that obviously no one speaks against the CCP because otherwise they will be put in jail. If you are going to do this, for Fuck's Sake please cover your fingers, like the ones using gloves, or the banknotes, because if the photo resolution is good enough, you could be identified by your fingerprint. A <<reddit,r/China>>沉默的大多数/[repost]. This photo seems to be the result of a campaign started by[] in response to the 100th anniversary of the Party in 2021. This was also explained at:[] on <<china-digital-times>>[Source].

. ([GitHub 上传 upload]) Give <<xi-jinping>> the middle finger silly GIF by GFWfrog 给习近平竖中指由墙国蛙蛤蛤傻逼视频.[Source].

. IGN review of the "We Happy Few" (2018) game.

====== Chilling effect (寒蝉效应)


It is really interesting to see how many people star the <<mirrors,GitHub repository>>, and then a few minutes later they think about how they might get put in jail, and then unstar it.

<<ciro-santilli>> is able to see this because the star notification remains in the GitHub dashboard even after unstarring. It does not seem to be publicly visible permanently unlike other events which forever remain on the events API.

Unstarring events are exceedingly rare in Ciro's other repositories.

The expression[two steps forward, one step back] comes to mind.

Luckily in this case, it does not seem possible to view who unstarred a repository after the fact:


. "my paranoia as a Russian YouTuber" by <<nfkrz>> (2020) talks about the <<chilling-effect>>

===== Most Chinese people don't care about the minorities

How can you be that certain that your children won't have dissident ideas and be punished unfairly for them?

Intolerance is a risky way to live. Everyone is part of one minority in one way. If all minorities were oppressed, everyone would be oppressed.

Dictatorships crush minorities much more than democracies.

Do think the majority of the Chinese people would vote to put 50 year old <<falun-gong>> meditating <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,aunties in jail>>, if the CCP hadn't made a huge propaganda campaign and used an iron fist?

Are the Chinese really that selfish to vote for this oppression, even as the <<censorship,free media>> would show videos of meditating old ladies in jail on national television? <<ciro-santilli>> does not believe this.

Minorities are put in jail because the CCP fears them. Dictatorships can only survive if there is zero difference in opinion in the population.

The famous[First they came ...] text comes to mind in which <<nazi,the priest Martin Niemöller regrets not having supported the rights of his opponents that were unfairly treated by the Nazi Government>>:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out +
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out +
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out +
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me +
and there was no one left to speak for me.

See also:

* <<rule-of-law>>
*[Intolerance (1916) film]

====== This is Ciro Santilli's personal problem, we have nothing to do with it, stop punishing us for it

We have to fight for justice for our fellows, or else when injustice happens to us, no one will fight for use either: <<intolerance>>.

Every form of protest incurs some damage. E.g., if we manifest on the street, it generates a traffic jam.

<<ciro-santilli>> doesn't like it, but he thinks it is worth it.

If you just work to make money and have a good life, without any plans to improve the government, you are just making the economy of the dictatorship stronger, then when they start a <<war,war>> or kill yet another minority, blood will also be on your hands. See also: <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china>>.

====== If anyone disagrees with the government they must be punished to keep the stability of the country

Destroying diversity is the best way to reach a point where everyone can agree to start <<war,a new big war and destroy everything>>.

The CCP thrives on the excessive <<evil-west,fear it instigates into its own people>>.

How can society improve, if we are never allowed to try new things out?

Change in democracies does not require <<violence,violence>>. Violence happens because the government punishes any dissidence, even if pacific, to retain its own power.

In democracies, radical policy changes happen without dropping a single drop of blood. People vote, and policies change, end of the story. In[JFK's] words:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

See also:


. Passage of Kennedy's discourse that contains the quote "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable".

=== There are bad things happening all over the world, why doesn't Ciro Santilli fight for those causes as well/instead?

We have to choose the one we think is the worst, and focus on it.

What is worse is a subjective choice. For <<ciro-santilli>>:

* he <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,loves China and Ciro's Chinese wife>>, see also: <<bias>>, and doesn't want it to get fucked further by the CCP
* he hates dictatorships, and China is the largest one by population/GDP/link:[nuclear stockpile], and therefore <<war,the most dangerous>>

Ciro <<keyword-choice,SO username>> and <<better-to-do,protest time>> are not infinite.

However, it is good that different people have different interests, and someone will surely be fighting for whatever cause you care about.

See also:

* <<russia>>
* <<thailand>>
* <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>>

==== Western democracies are not perfect (西方的民主有很多缺点)

That is definitely true.

Nothing is perfect in this world.

<<ciro-santilli>> just believes that they are way better than a <<dictatorship>> like China, and that the Chinese government <<evil-west,brainwashes its people to think that the West is evil to stay in power>>.

As link:[Churchill] once brilliantly link:[put it]:

Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

However, this is all obviously subjective, and believing that dictatorship is a better form of government is also a valid belief, e.g. <<dictatorship-variability>>.

If you find an event on a Western democracy that you would like to highlight, send a pull request.

We will not however include events that are not currently censored.

Every country did fucked-up things in the past, the question is if they currently allow discussion about it or not.

Posts that only mention <<evil-west,"evil West">> non-censored events without adding anything to the discussion will be marked as <<shitpost>> and treated as such, since spamming those is the primary <<wumao>> technique to stop intelligent discussion.

The reason why "Evil China" posts are not shitposts in general on the other hand, is that they have one specific purpose: <<why-keyword-attack, to destroy censorship>>.

This "Western censorship[copypasta] string"[was posted automatically] by a bot during <<anti-ccp-info-sources,r/China>> purge day:

North Dakota Access Pipeline Protests 北达科他州接入管道抗议 +
Ferguson Riots 弗格森暴动 +
2017 St. Louis protests2017 年圣路易斯抗议活动 +
Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll 比基尼环礁的核试验 +
Unite the Right rally 团结右集会 +
Charlotte riots 夏洛特暴动 +
Attack on the Sui-ho Dam 袭击穗河水坝 +
Milwaukee riots 密尔沃基骚乱 +
Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 +
Occupation of the Malheur NationalWildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 +
death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 +
Shooting of Michael Brown迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 +
death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳(Eric Garner)逝世 +
Operation Condor 神鹰行动 +
Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 +
My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 +
St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 +
Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 +
1992 Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 +
No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 +
L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 +
1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 +
Vietnam War 越南战争 +
Kent State shootings肯特州枪击案 +
Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 +
San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 +
Assassination of MartinLuther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 +
Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 +
Bagram 巴格拉姆 +
Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 +
Highway of Death 死亡之路 +
Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 +
Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 +
Battle ofBlair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 +
McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 +
Red Summer 红色夏天 +
Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 +
Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 +
Jeju uprising 济州起义 +
Colfaxmassacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 +
Reading Railroad massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 +
Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 +
Bay viewMassacre 湾景大屠杀 +
Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 +
Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 +
Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 +
Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 +
Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 +
Redwood Massacre红木大屠杀 +
Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 +
Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 +
extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 +
Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 +
Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格
<<iranian-coup-1953>> +[Eight-Nation Alliance] (八國聯軍[八國聯軍]) (1900) +[Unequal treaty] (不平等条约[不平等条约]) (1842-1933) +

See also:

* <<richer>>
* <<preconceived>>
* <<bias>>
* <<the-united-states-has-recently-started-several-wars-and-killed-millions>>

.[Signe Wilkinson] 2017 Free Speech "Can you just move it so it doesn't cover them?" (TODO proper translation, with a quickly fixed up Google Translate: 你可以移动雨伞以使其不会遮盖住他们吗?) umbrella cartoon. Ciro once saw a <<wumao>> post this. It made him smile. If the cartoon were about <<dictatorship,dictatorships>>,[Uncle Sam] would be instead <<intolerance,decapitating and raping the people on one half of the umbrella>>. Of course humans are <<flg-intolerance,shit in democracies as well>>, but at least that system makes it harder for them to oppress each other.[Source].

.At (([archive])a <<wumao>> posted this image of <<amnesty-international>> protesters outside the American embassy in London in September 2008 protesting against the Guantanamo Bay camps. The wumao used this to criticize Guantanamo bay, saying that it was like <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>> but in the USA, apparently unaware that this was a staged protest. So it actually has the exact opposite effect than intended: because there is no <<censorship>>, here people in the West can together to denounce something they don't like. Imagine if a crowd of 100 people in China got together to denounce the Xinjiang camps! They'd go to jail immediately. Furthermore as Ciro repeated a million times: Guantanamo bay detainees are not American citizens, and democracies cannot fully protect people who can't vote. In China however, no one can vote, so everyone can be oppressed.[Source].

.French political cartoon from 1898 by[Henri Meyer] showing leaders of Western powers, Russia and Japan splitting up China between them. The CCP would arguably <<not-chinese,not have raised to power if not due to Japanese interference>>. Maybe the West deserves the <<nazi,Nazi>> CCP they helped create, much like post World War I treaties helped create Nazi Germany. Colonialism was horrendous. As a Brazillian, <<ciro-santilli>> knows this all too well.[Source].

<span id="the-west-is-racist-against-black-people">

===== Two wrongs don't make a right (积非成是)


===== The West is racist against black people (西方人对黑人有种族主义)



<<wumao,wumaos>> notably mention:

*[George Floyd]
<<wumao>>'s started posting "I can't breathe" everywhere, to which some people on Twitter replied "I can't tweet" and <<rebel-pepper>> made a cartoon:

The murder video went viral and was not taken down (would have been in China), all four officers were charged, and the event sparked nation wide protests:

* (黑人的命也是命)

Of course there is racism in the West. And we must recognize that, and fight it.

But <<ciro-santilli>> feels strongly that the Chinese are also obviously at least as racist against blacks, if not more, based on conversations he's had/overheard, and other circumstantial indications:


Oh, and the USA, and other Western countries besides Germany, were also racist against Jews, e.g.[Richard Feynman] could not be admitted in certain universities due to a[Jewish quota], even though he was not a believer himself, therefore based on race alone!

.Racism in the West vs racism in China. Of course there is racism in the West against black people. But the people have the choice to speak up against it to try and change things. In China however, speaking up against Muslim racism, means going to jail. Image sources:[murder of George Floyd],[George Floyd protests in Philadelphia],[Xinjiang prisoners],[Tiananmen Square on 2021-06-03], the anniversary of <<tiananmen>>.

====== We Don't Hire Blacks by Aaron Dewitt (我们不雇用黑人, 2020)

This amazing video was originally uploaded to by <<aaron-dewitt>> on 2020-09-21 but it was down as of 2021-06-21. Last <<wayback-machine>> archive as of that date: 2020-11-03.

The video description was:

This is an exposé of racist companies that I worked for, some of which operate in the United States and Canada, all of which are headquartered in China.

In it, Aaron describes his experiences with the recruitment team of one of his former employers, an unnamed "Chinese ed-tech company in Beijing", for which he worked in human resources. In another also deleted video he mentions that he cannot mention the name of the company because he was under NDA.

Notably, in that video, he gives several screenshots of Google Sheets spreadsheets with explicitly racist reasons why people were not hired, one of which is <<we-dont-hire-blacks-screenshot,reproduced here>>. Examples of such reasons include:

* "Skin color"
* "Non-Caucasian"
* "62-years old"
* "elderly"
* "Hispanic"

He mentions:

On the first day at this company, I had an orientation with my supervisor Ng, who is the head of the training department. She told me:

"We hire blacks. Obama black is OK. But no darker, or they'll scare the kids. The kids will think they're some kind of monster!"

which would lead parents to just go to a competitor instead. Then he mentions about the Google Sheets documents that:

They shared this document with the entire management team in Beijing, and everyone not only knew, but expected this discrimination to take place.

In the video he also explains how he once went to a 2 week holiday to Bali, and when he came back with his skin darker due to the tanning, he was reprimanded by a manager, who said that he could not work looking like that.

He explicitly mentions later the video that[VIPKid], for which he did not work, is a similar company in nature, but not the one he is talking about.

Wikipedia mentions about VIPKid

Its online-classroom portal enables students to receive 25-minute English language lessons from fluent English-speaking teachers.

In March 2019, VIPKid fired two American teachers for discussing the 1989 <<tiananmen>> and <<taiwan>> with their students in China. Teachers have also reported witnessing child abuse when teaching lessons, but they found little recourse to report such issues.

As of 2021-05-05, the banner image of VIPKid's website explicitly includes a[token black person]:[], so their PR department clearly caught air of this. This is however only a frontend for hiring American teachers. The real Chinese client website[], rest assured, contains no black people: ([archive])

VIPKids had a 3 billion valuation in

Wikipedia links as one of its sources to this 2019 article[] which mentions:

Of the dozens of companies vying to cash in on the tutoring business, it is by far the largest, having raised $825 million in investment capital since its founding. Other major players include Qkids, Magic Ears, DaDa, and Gogokid, all based in China.

so it is overwhelmingly likely that one of those is the one mentioned Aaron is talking about:

* Qkids
* Magic Ears
* DaDa
* Gogokid

Later in the video Aaron mentions that the company in question "basically went bankrupt".

He also mentions that he later worked for[offcn], which is run by the Chinese Government, and they would absolutely not hire black people.

.Screenshot of the video <<we-dont-hire-blacks-by-aaron-dewitt-2020>> showing a list racist job interview candidate rejection reasons.

===== Western democracies have invaded other countries and crushed separatism

Yes, <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect,Western democracies are not perfect>>.

What matters is that citizens can disagree with those actions, publicly say it, vote accordingly, and not go to jail, so that policy will be changed if the majority so wants.

In China, the minority controls the majority, and the majority cannot say anything even if they disagree.

If the majority wants to do evil however, evil will get done, it is impossible to prevent that.

People from other countries don't vote for your politicians in democracy. Therefore, democracies cannot protect them.

What democracy does do well is to <<brainwashed-by-usa,reduce the chance that enough of the population will be brainwashed>> into <<war,starting war with other superpowers and destroy the world>>.

Do you really think <<chinese-politicians-really-care-about-the-chinese-citizens,China wouldn't invade a country they need resources from because they are more humane>>?

<<too-young-too-naive>>. China is already invading its own citizens right now as of 2020 to obtain resources! <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>. And it is using the exact same excuse as the American politicians: terrorism!

Even when the US invades another country, the people who support the US enemy can still pick up arms and fight. And Russia can send help if they want to annoy the Americans, making local resistance stand an actual chance. But when you oppress your own people, they are completely defenseless, and 100% certain to be fully oppressed, since no foreign country would risk world war 3 by sending help.

Do you really think that the CCP would give a fuck about invading other countries? And furthermore, China is specifically oppressing Islamic people in Xinjiang, exactly the same religion of people who live where? In the Middle East.

Xinjiang _is_ China's Middle East.

The reason the USA has invaded countries in the Middle east and China hasn't yet is a mixture of:

* the USA is more developed, and has greater fuel needs, and greater capacity to carry such a war.
Although as we've seen, they've been essentially losing those wars quite often now, by not saying long enough to establish a new stable government.
Part of their defeat is also due to <<russia>>, and increasingly China, helping the other side however.
* the Middle East is full of dictatorships, and <<dictatorships-tend-to-work-together,dictatorships are natural allies of other dictatorships>> therefore it is more likely that they won't invade one another.
* the Cold War is still fresh in the American mind. Oil is crucial to fight a war. Countries will do anything to survive, even if it means killing others.

<<ciro-santilli>> is not saying that any of this justifies the actions of the Western powers in the Middle East. But simply that it has nothing to do with democracy or non-democracy.

See also:

* <<separatism>>
* <<richer>>

===== Western democracies also censor subjects such as child porn and hate speech

First, child porn and hate speech are also banned in China, so shut up. <<china-has-more-freedom-of-speech-than-the-usa,every type of speech>> is less free in <<dictatorship>>.

Second, if you don't think child porn should be banned, there isn't much point in arguing with you.

Now, hate speech is a very complex subject. <<ciro-santilli>> does feel that we should be very careful when banning hate speech, and he is not sure if it should be banned at all, as perhaps it might just make matters worse.

But of course, there is also censorship in Western democracies, and there is a gray area between what should be censored or not.

<<ciro-santilli>> only argues that there is on type of speech that must never ever be <<censorship,censored>>: political speech.

This way, the majority can always discuss and vote to change what can be censored or not.

In China, however, trying to discuss such changes in laws <<internal-censorship,puts you in jail>>, so bad laws cannot be changed. This lack of freedom <<most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship,also gives the impression to many brainwashed Chinese>> that dicatorships are better because you see less conflict online. Which is great, until your human rights are violated, and you've got no one to talk to.

The lack of ability to discuss political problems leads to extremely serious problems:

* <<corruption>>: politicians can <<internal-censorship,censor>> anything bad that they did to stay in power
* <<war>>: if the CCP leaders decide that a war must be made, everyone who opposes it will go to jail, and the war will be made
* <<intolerance>>: if the CCP decides that <<xinjiang,some minority>> is <<falun-gong,a danger to their power>>, this minority gets fucked

Deciding on hate speech, means having to decide what level of hardcoreness we are willing to accept, and there is no clear right or wrong answer.

For example, which of the following do you think should be banned:

* This scientific study suggests that white people do less well in IQ tests.
* This scientific study suggests that black people do less well in IQ tests.
* I'm an idiotic irrational racist and I dislike white/black people. I won't kill them, but I dislike them, and I can't change that, I'm really sorry.
* Let's all gather together and kill our black/white/gay/straight/Muslim/Christian neighbours tomorrow.
* Let's all gather together and kill our oppressive dictator/president tomorrow.

Ciro believes that none of the above should ever be censored, because any form of "hate-speech censorship" immediately opens a precedent for political censorship.

If someone is idiotic enough to organize illegal acts like hurting someone publicly before doing it, it will just make it easier for them to get caught.

And if its just empty words, just block those idiots to not see their posts, or downvotes their posts to reduce their impact.

And if the majority supports idiotic acts like killing someone because of their race, it will get done in a democracy regardless, because that's what democracies do: they cater to what the majority wants.

There's not point in censoring them. Such censorship only makes things worse, as the perpetrators will use that as publicity for their cause.

See also:

* <<richer>>
* <<intolerance>>
*[Overton window]

====== Fake news


When a government controls all information to make it look good, and no one can challenge it, you cannot trust _any_ of the news produced by that country, as anything could be fake.

It is much better to have some fake news, but also few sources that are likely telling the truth.

<<ciro-santilli>> is also extremely critical of Western social media companies such as <<twitter>> and Facebook which have censored "fake news" from real legitimate accounts or real people, which is a point that Trump has justly criticized in Ciro's opinion.

If it is from a Chinese/Russian botnet, sure, destroy those accounts.

But from legitimate accounts of citizens? The people have to decide for themselves what is fake or real, not you, Twitter and Facebook. If the majority is made of idiots who believe in fake news, then so be it, that's how democracy works.

Censoring any citizen, no matter how stupid you think they are, creates a precedent for dictatorship, and even an <<luxor,incentive to terrorism>>.

More interesting case is:[]. Ciro feels strongly that people who try to have meaningful discussions on Twitter should automatically lose a lawsuit, and that people should be able to block whoever they want from their personal controlled accounts or forums. It is only the companies who provide the forum service that must be neutral.

====== Unjust social media censorship in the West

* Trump social media bans:
** 2021-03-31 "Conservatives Blast Facebook For Removing Trump Interview With Daughter-In-Law". This perfectly illustrates why it is unreasonable to ban someone from social media. You end up having to ban anyone who supports them as well.
** 2021-01-09 "The deplatforming of President Trump" has an overview: Twitter permaban, Facebook indefinite time, Google store removed Parler from App Store, Apple store soon followed: <<tiktok>> censore And Amazon announced a Parler block with 24 hours advance:
All of those banning should not be done. If the people want to rebel, they must be allowed to communicate and rebel.
* 2020-10-12
* 2020 "Trump Says He Wants To Punish Flag Burning With A Year In Prison".[]. If this were to pass, Ciro would be very temped to upload a GIF. Flag dessacration laws are bullshit.
* 2020-08 Kevin Cernekee fired from Google for conservative views
** 2020-08-27 "Internal Google memo claimed conservative whistleblower promoted alt-right views"
** It appears to be legal in the US for companies to fire employees based on political beliefs:
<<ciro-santilli>> however believes that discussing politics at work is not an efficient way to go about it, because you will be discussion amongst a small group of people since companies are opaque to the outside. Unless maybe if you feel that you employee is directly attempting to influence politics in a way that you feel is unfair.
Ciro believes without evidence that unfortunately anti-discrimination-hiring laws are likely inefficient, as it is too hard to convict anyone. And that providing equal education through scholarships to unprivileged groups and university entry selection where examiners cannot see the applicant's race is the only way.
* YouTube
** 2020-12-09 "YouTube will now remove videos disputing Joe Biden's election victory".
*** YouTube's announcement:
** 2020-11-24 "YouTube suspends and demonetizes One America News Network over COVID-19 video"
* Facebook
** 2020-11-10 "'Free speech' social network Parler tops app store rankings following Biden's election win"
* <<twitter>>
** 2021-01-08 "Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump" Archive of suspended account:
** 2020-10-06 "Section 230, the internet free speech law Trump wants to repeal, explained". While repealing the law entirely would be stupid, Trump is right that it has given platforms too much control over the media. <<mark-government-controlled-social-media,Except for dictatorial foreign governments>>, or explicitly illegal material, social media platforms should never remove or comment on any content.
** 2020-05-29 Twitter "hides Trump tweet for 'glorifying violence'". The people elected that idiot, Twitter leftists have to swallow that.
** 2021-01-11 "Angela Merkel sees Twitter's cancelling of Donald Trump as 'problematic'"
* Amazon
** Twitch 2021-04-07


* 2021-04-31 Basecamp sees mass employee exodus after CEO bans political discussions

====== Censorship of "politically incorrect speech"

<<ciro-santilli>> strongly believes that this is a problem with Wester social media. For example in <<stack-overflow-forbids-criticizing-the-character-of-genocidal-political-leaders-like-xi-jinping>> Stack Overflow forbade Ciro from saying:

I think Trump is disgusting as a person

because they thought Trump would become sad and cry.

Western governments should pass laws that prevent this kind of arbitrary political censorship by companies.

But of course as usual: <<censorship,censorship in a dictatorship like China is always a million times worse>>.

."Please enjoy this culturally ethnically religiously and politically correct cartoon responsibly" cartoon by Michael Shaw from the New Yorker (2006) makes a reference to the fact that all humour is a criticism of something, and that excessive political correctness can be used as a way to limit free speech.

. Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) defending freedom of speech in the context of the[Reform Section 5] campaign to remove all criminalization of insults. The campaigns slogan was "Feel free to insult me!". He then quotes: "The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech" from[an Obama speech].

. Munk Debate on Political Correctness (2018) features Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson speaking against political correctness. Those dudes are awesome. summarizes it well.

===== Western society is extremely unequal

Exactly! And this is something <<ciro-santilli>> fights daily against through his open source contributions.

And politicians don't really care enough. Partially because:

* the poor don't have access to proper education and vote less often
* corporations pay for their election campaigns
* many of the politicians are rich themselves

But do you really think that further increasing the power concentration as done is China is going to help reduce inequality?

If so, you have been <<stupid,brainwashed beyond reason>>. Increasing the concentration of power <<chinese-politicians-really-care-about-the-chinese-citizens,will obviously make society even more unequal>> and <<corruption,corrupt>>, never less.

. Can't get you out of my head - Part 1 (2021) documentary by Adam Curtis for the BBC. This awesome documentary suggests and explains why Western politicians care less and less about the people, and why Western companies have gained more and more power. It also mentions how after China gave up on communism and became a capitalist country, it completely lost any guiding ideal. The West still had the ideal of democracy. But for China, there was only one thing left: money. Our dear <<xi-jinping>> is of course doing his best to instill nationalism into China to fill that void. What could <<war,possible go wrong with that>>?

===== Life of Brian (布莱恩的一生, 1979)


This movie was almost banned in Britain at the time due to lobbying by Christian groups as shown in <<the-secret-life-of-brian-2007>>.

Key scenes:

* <<life-of-brian-nazi-jew,Nazi Jew scene from The Life of Brian>>

====== The secret Life of Brian (2007)

Documentary about <<life-of-brian-1979>>.

Key points:

* <<sacred-cows>>


===== Snowden (斯诺登)


Censoring anyone who says "my president is shit", which is what China does, is much, much more serious than censoring intelligence leaks.

The problem with dictatorships, is that they make _every_ information that makes them look bad a "state secret". Including any information that hundreds of thousands of people have witnessed, or economic performance metrics! See also: <<internal-censorship>>.

The level of unknown surveillance that Snowden uncovered is a bad thing about the US.

Snowden's prosecution was inevitable. Countries need secret services. Secret services need laws that prevent leaking classified information that was produced by government officials.

<<ciro-santilli>> has never and will never criticize China or any other country for spying or prosecuting spies.

If Snowden were Chinese, the Chinese government would ban talking about him or anything he uncovered. A <<keyword-attack,keyword attack>> with "Snowden" in the West has no effect.

It is obvious that the level of surveillance in any dictatorship will be infinitely higher, since the Government has much more power and no-one can criticize.

On the West however, the debate Snowden sparked cannot be censored, and has helped to control excessive and secret state power.

Ultimately, Ciro thinks camera surveillance is somewhat inevitable, because people will always want to fight crime and terrorism and surveillance technology keeps getting cheaper and cheaper.

He is however strictly against the ban of cryptography.

He also believes that a good solution to balance out government power is the <<second-amendment>>. It is better to have more school shootings and less full-blown dictatorship led genocides / mass human rights violations.

In 2019 China amusingly censored passages Snowden's "Permanent Record" autobiography book, which Snowden then published on Twitter:

* ([archive])
* ([archive]).

As a[Redditor put it]:

I don't think they understand that what Snowden stands for is completely the opposite of what the Chinese gov is lol

Snowden then later released the entire Chinese version of the book for free online with the censored parts underlined: ([archive]), link to the book: link:++[] ([archive]). One wonders why he didn't just do that in the first place for all versions, maybe he needed to pay the writer that helped him?

.Snowden highlighted defects on abuses of power in a Western democracy, and the discussion he sparked helped to control such abuses. <<to-obey-is-to-betray,To obey is to betray>> comes to mind.[Source].

===== Bad things have been done in the name of freedom

E.g.:[September 11th].

Bad things have been done in the name of anything.

It's just that <<war,much>>, <<xinjiang,worse>> <<tiananmen,things>> are done without freedom than with it.

Democracies cannot necessarily protect weak countries from powerful ones either. No political system can do that, because humans are trash essentially.

What democracy do is to protect its own people against its own government. Because when the government turns against part of the population in a dictatorship, that part of the population gets crushed entirely, without any chance to fight, because they don't have an army or ally countries like other countries do.

Here are some images that <<wumao>>'s like to post:

* Left Right Slaughterhouse comic:

=== Is the Chinese government evil? 中国共产党是邪恶吗?

Obviously not, just <<richer,inefficient>> and <<war,dangerous>>.

It is just another non-democratic empire like the Qing Dynasty, we might as well cal it:

共产朝 +
The Communist Dynasty

Expression previously mentioned at:

Like any other organization and individual everywhere in the entire world, they are just doing everything that they can to maintain their own power.

It just happens that China's the current is political system allows the CCP to do really bad things.

And it should also be noted that <<henri-meyer,it is in part the West's fault>> that China currently has this shitty system.

<<falun-gong>> thinks otherwise of course, they think the CCP is actually made up of real actual devils in some dimension: <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong>>. E.g. on the Falun Gong lead campaign:

The demon CCP has plundered the ancient land of China

==== Chinese politicians really care about the Chinese citizens

Sometimes people say Ciro Santilli is naive.

Politicians are the same all over the world.

Some might have good intentions, but most don't give a shit about anyone else.

But all must play a careful political game, and sometimes betray their own beliefs to not lose power entirely.

Even those that genuinely care might have to play such political games.

China's problem is not its politicians.

It's the current shitty political organization, which allows/convinces those politicians to do really bad things: <<richer>>, <<war>> and <<corruption>>.

Western politicians don't care about the people either: <<western-society-is-extremely-unequal>>. But at least they have to pretend a little.

By John Kenneth Galbraith, possibly based on an earlier <<soviet-union>> joke[]:

Under capitalism, man oppresses man. Under socialism, it's just the opposite.

==== Is Chinese politician X evil?

The term evil does not make sense unless you are <<falun-gong,religious>>.

The best definition of evil is a psychopath with zero empathy for anyone: although this can be better characterized as a disease or extreme personality trait.

The huge majority of those politicians are just regular dudes with a knack for politics but brought up in a fucked up political situation.

Just like you, Ciro Santilli and other politicians in any country.

See also: <<politicians>>.

=== Comparisons between the CCP and Nazi Germany (纳粹德国)

As of 2020, the <<ccp>> is much more like Nazi Germany than it is like the <<soviet-union>>.

We must however be careful not to demonize the Nazis, as that is not a helpful way to learn from the past.

The Nazis were also people like us, and that is the scary thing we must never forget, thus we should never fall for:

*[Reductio ad Hitlerum]


* Xitler (习特勒). 习 "xi2" is very close in sound to the Chinese name of Hitler:阿道夫·希特勒[希特勒] (xi1 te4 le4)
* Chinazi (赤纳粹 Chi Na Cui). TODO why 赤. Means Red, which is a reference to Communism, although red was of course it was also the color of the original Nazis. But where else is it used? Chi is also chosen to achieve the sound "Chi Na" as a variant of <<shina>>

The most notable aspect is the persecution of minorities of course, notably <<xinjiang>> and <<falun-gong>> which closely ressembles that of the Jews, see also: <<first-they-came>>.

See also: <<communist-youth-league>>.


* 这么好的人民,不倒点霉都对不起他们 "These are such good people, if they have a bit of bad luck, excuse them." article by yashalong 押沙龙 published on <<caixin>>. The article discusses how Nazi Germany propaganda worked, without mention to the CCP, but it was still apparently[banned in China]. has a good quote:
Would you have stood up to Hitler when he came to power? Or would you have been an appeaser, like Chamberlain? Or perhaps even a supporter of fascism, like the Daily Mail's owner at the time?

We all like to imagine we're courageous enough to stand up to tyranny and persecution. That we would have stood up to the villains of the past. Seen them for what they really were, even helped rescue their victims from danger. We certainly don't like to think we would have bought their goods or funded, invested in their economies...

Well today, you're going to find out what you're made of.

TODO some failed attempts at ASCII art flags:

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.Photoshopped <<xi-jinping>> with raised fist with Nazi uniform and flag on the background.[Source].

.Likely original or similar image of <<xi-jinping>> with raised fist as he took oath when coming into or renewing office.[Source].

.German's 1938-1945 war flag called the "War Ensign of Germany" in English or "Reichskriegsflagge" in German.[Source].

.Hitler has of course a few raised fists on Google Images, but they tend to be more aggressive, and less compatible with Xi's apathic poker face.[Source].

.Photoshopped cover of Mein Kampf with Xi's face on top of Hitler's and other modifications such as Mian instead of Mein, likely the same 面 (mian4, face) as the Chinese character at the bottom right. <<xi-jinping-thought>> also comes to mind.[Source].

.Original cover of Mein Kampf. link:++,_1943).pdf++[Source].

.Photoshopped photo of Hitler giving the Nazi salute from a car with Himmler on the background with Xi's face on top of Hitler's.[Source].

.Original photo of Hitler giving the Nazi salute from a car with Himmler on the background. This photo shows them reviewing SS troops during a Reichsparteitag (Reich Party Day) parade in Nuremberg (1938-09-05 - 1938-09-12).[Source].

.Chinazi flag (赤纳粹旗) by <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests,Hong Kong protesters>>. Seen【盛世一景】赤纳粹旗(chinazi-flag)/[on streets].[Source].

. <<serpentza-laowhy86,laowhy86>> video "Can We Compare China to Nazi Germany?" published on 2020-04-29. Good side-by-side video comparisons. Says that China is more like Nazi than <<russia>>, but Ciro disagrees, all three are <<is-chinese-politician-x-evil,evil dictatorships>>.

.[Mitchell and Webb] "Are we the Baddies?" Nazi Sketch. In this sketch, Mitchel, a cute self-conscious Nazi, starts to wonder with Webber, his Nazi friend, if they aren't on the side of evil, particularly due to the usage of[Nazi skulls (Totenkopf)] on their uniforms. This echoes <<goring-nuremberg,Goring's appearance on the Nuremberg trials>>. Like the CCP, many Nazis thought of course that they were doing great things.

==== Hitler Has Only Got One Ball (希特勒只有一个蛋, 1939)

We have to make a <<xi-jinping>> version of this!!!

*[Hitler Has Only Got One Ball]
*[Possible monorchism of Adolf Hitler]

There's even an[Uncencyclopedia page for it].

.[Left source],[right source].

. A version of the "Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" song.

. The Armstrong and Miller Show "Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" sketch depicts in a funny way the imaginary creation of the song.

=== Contributing guidelines

==== I want to take my chances and make a shitpost in cirosantilli/china-dictatorship (屎帖子)

So, have you reached the conclusion that your[shitpost] is[worth the risk of getting blocked]?

Remember that shitposts can also be creative: if you are going to insult Ciro Santilli, at least do it in a creative way, or else you look like an even bigger idiot than you really are.

A collection of shitposts for you to take inspiration from can be found at:

Also, when opening a shitpost you may mark it clearly such with the shitpost issue template which automatically assigns the shitpost label. Doing so will make you look like less of an idiot.

While we require polite replies to polite posts, no matter what which side they are defending, if a post is marked as a shitpost, things are much more relaxed and fun, and you can generally get away with telling the OP to fuck themselves[without getting blocked].

.Real shit photos may be posted in reply to shitposts.[Source].

.Amazing shitposts may recieve a Golden Shit award and the[golden-shit label]. The image is from a Japanese[Kin no unko (金のうんこ)], which is likely inspired by[golden Sycees].[Source].

.To <<censorship,censor>> or not to censor good shitposts: that is not the question, <<ciro-santilli>> will never censor them![Source].

.The legendary[Grass Mud Horse (草泥马, caonima)] is also said to appear in shitposts from time to time.

==== I am going to write a huge wall of text to prove my point

Feel free to do that, but no one will ever read most of it.

If you want your comment to be read, choose your key point well, and deliver it.

It is a shame that most people who are ever able to do that are <<shitpost,shitposters>>, but credit where credit is due.

==== Can I contact Ciro Santilli in Chinese?

If you don't know English well enough, that's fine though, go for Chinese, Ciro Santilli will likely understand it: <<does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese>>.

But if you do, use English.

Ciro is not going to learn Chinese because of your message.

It is more productive for you to write in English, so that the rest of the West can also learn something new.

Especially since it seems that most Chinese already know what you are talking about, so you are better off teaching Western people about it.

===== I am going to use a bunch of Chinese slangs because it makes me feel smart 我知道网络语言,我很聪明

Obviously, if you want to be understood, use simple and standard Chinese, since as Ciro has already stated clearly, his Chinese sucks: <<does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese>>.

Avoid slangs, otherwise Ciro might not have patience to Google your useless slangs down <<zhihu,Zhihu>> questions.

Of course, if you have to read this, you likely are not going to say anything useful in the first place, so not reading your post is likely fine, just make sure to mark it as a <<shitpost>> if you don't want Ciro to think you are a complete idiot.

Using slangs makes some people feel smart due their advanced knowledge of a specific subculture, or makes them feel part of that subculture to gather allies. I.e., it is a form of[shibboleth]. It mainly comes down to a way of avoiding any rational conversation about China's obvious problems by highlighting <<not-chinese>>.

Or maybe they just want to waste Ciro's time.

Such idiots don't see however that every major slang is Googleable, and that every overly obscure slang is already not understandable by a large part of the Chinese population, and won't be understood by anybody in 5 years, so that you are wasting your time writing this gibberish. But since you are an idiot, it's not like you have anything better to do with your time, so maybe it doesn't matter.

If you want to efficiently prevent anyone from understanding your stuff, Ciro recommends that you just use SHA-256 instead:

$ printf 'heil xi' | sha256sum
286b183bf41d6c9de5315bbd64f1ca35a58157ae2e7f38086978c108e67c4882 -

A Chinese insult tip 101, avoid similar sound euphemisms. If you are going to say shit at least grow some balls or tits and use the proper characters, Ciro will respect you more for it:

* 屄 cunt, most often for傻屄[傻屄]
** 逼
*** "sb"
*** "B":
* 肏 fuck: 操
* 傻 idiot: 沙
* 屌 dick: 屌

Places to try and decrypt Internet slang when you feel like wasting your time:

** "网络用语" is the most common word for "Internet Slang", so also useful for Google searches

Random slangs of interest and related concepts:

*火星文[火星文] ([Martian language]). This figures for example in the language rules of the <<ptt>> joke board: (禁止使用簡體字、注音文、火星文、外國語言或其他無法直觀理解之內容作為文章主體).

Some useful slangs seen on the wild:

* 敏感瓷: 敏感词 sensitive words, phonetic approximation
* "emm"

GitHub issue label:

.A[Vagina] (阴道[阴道]) also known as cunt (屄), is the female reproductive organ, including the naturally occurring black hole that appears in front of it whenever a picture is taken to prevent <<github>> from taking down this page. Even though <<porn,you've never seen one>>, there's no need to be afraid of it, and refer to it in euphemisms like "SB".[Background source] and[black hole source].

====== Ruhua (to disgrace china, 辱华, 乳华)

Basically a 2 character slang for <<hurt-the-feelings-of-the-chinese-people>> which cool people in the web use:

* 天天辱华,辱华的到底是谁? on <<zhihu>>
*一系列国际大牌纷纷陷入辱华风波/a-49994530 on <<dw>>
* on <<bbc>>

The pardox is: as soon as you start talking about ruhua, you start to risk getting banned in China, because most of ruhua is banned in China itself.

In this project for example: the author is aiming to create a list of such insults. So someone came and suggested adding this project to the list at:[], which is obviouly censored in China, as an example. They even have an <<icp-license>> at[], isn't that cute?

To which the repo owner replied:


Google Translate:

Thanks for submitting, this person is a bit crazy. I won't add it to the record, because if you add it, you will see more people. Not everyone has the ability to distinguish between authenticity and falsehood for this information. I'm afraid that some people will believe him or be induced by him. Therefore, it is better to silence him and reduce exposure. These people and countries must have been monitoring them, so we can rest assured.

This perfecly shows the ruhua paradox. In the end, you are only allowed to talk about the most idiotic and insipid events, while censoring any serious self criticism.

<<uneducated-masses>> also comes to mind.

TODO the README says that it is a static blog, but I can't find the source on GitHub anywhere, that repo contains almost nothing.

The large majority of posts are about <<western-companies-that-comply-with-chinese-censorship-requests>>, because those cowards retract their claims afterwards.

Some sample posts that are not about Western companies:

* NBA辱华事件是怎么回事?NBA莫雷辱华事件! (What happened to the NBA insult to China? NBA Morey insulting China incident!) about <<lebron-james-opposes-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests-2019>>
* 如何判断一个老外夸中国,是发自真心,还是财富密码? (How to judge whether a foreigner praises China from his sincerity or the code of wealth?) is about <<ccp-apologists>>
* 卖国求荣许秀中个人简历:留学生中的败类!汉奸中的“佼佼者”!西方媒体眼中的“宝藏女孩”! is about <<vicky-xu>>
* notepad{plus}{plus}辱华事件:作者Don HO在推特上公开发表辱华言论 (Notepad{plus}{plus} insulting China incident: author Don HO publicly published insulting remarks on Twitter) about <<notepad>>
* 无脑黑中国,孙向文漫画辱华是为了自己要入日本籍,但他至今仍没有如愿 is about <<sun-xiangwen>>

====== Shina (zhina, 支那)


Derogatory or humorous way to refer China. Occurrences:

* <<zhina-wiki>>

A variant sound "Chi Na" is also seen at Chinazi (赤纳粹) from <<nazi>>.

====== Internet number slang (网络数字语言)

*网络数字语言#2 on <<baidu>>
* highlights how numeric emails and URLs are especially popular in China, in part due to the ASCII/West-centrism of web standards:

Examples in this page:

* <<nine-nine-six-icu>> is an example that is not phonetic, but just about meaning
* 六四 used to refer to <<tiananmen>>
* and from <<cac-report-website>> are likely examples where older well known official phone numbers were just directly converted to URLs



=== Personal questions about Ciro Santilli

==== Has Ciro Santilli you ever lived in China?

Not as of 2019, he has only visited once in 2012, and it was <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,amazingly beautiful>>.

.Ciro Santilli with a stone carved[Budai (布袋和尚)] in the[Feilai Feng caves (飞来峰)] near the[Lingyin Temple (灵隐寺)] in Hangzhou taken during his legendary 2012 touristic trip to China. Will he ever be able to go to China again to re-experience such marvelous locations? If the CCP falls before he dies, and if the statue hasn't been destroyed by the commies, Ciro will return to that exact spot and take a second picture. How will he look like?

But he doesn't think it is a good idea for him to do that now, in case his Visa got accepted, because he is not interested in learning about the Chinese jail system! :-)

He knows that if you don't mind contributing to making <<war,WW3>> deadlier and shut up and obey the CCP, China is already a fine place to live as much as any other developing country.

===== Would Ciro Santilli like to live in China?

If the dictatorship ends, <<ciro-santilli>> would like to <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,migrate to China>> if given a decent job to help China develop and become awesomer.

Before the Dictatorship, Ciro likely won't be able to enter/it wouldn't be a good idea: <<would-ciro-santilli-be-able-to-visit-china-before-the-ccp-ends>>.

And it is immoral to help make dictatorships richer by working for their companies: <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china>>.

===== Would Ciro Santilli be able to visit China before the CCP ends?

It would be interesting to apply for a VISA to find out.

But Ciro won't do it because it is too risky that it would be a waste of Ciro's precious <<better-to-do,time and money>>.

Firstly,[Jamal Khashoggi] taught us that walking into enemy into consulates of enemy countries is a bad idea.

Then, even if the VISA were accepted, Ciro could still be turned back on entering the country, thus wasting the flight time and money. This could either be a genius plot to waste the money of enemies of the state, or due to a crappy divided IT system between the border control and the VISA people.

Finally, even after the border, there is still the possibility that Ciro could be stopped in the country half-way through the visit and sent back, or be interrogated for a few days, or less likely murdered with poison.

Therefore, if you think that living in China is fundamental to understand it, please just explain what you think one can learn from the experience instead. Do you really need to live there to see its censorship machine working? It would arguably be harder to see it from the inside.

See also: <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship>>.


==== Is Ciro Santilli Chinese? 三西猴是中国人吗?


And it does not matter: <<not-chinese>>.

But <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,his wife is>>.

==== Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗?

As of 2019, oral enough for daily things, but not understand most natural casual dinner conversation or watch TV series, because they go too quickly into vocabulary subject areas that he doesn't know. And obviously, using <<slang,slangs>> just makes things really hard.

When it matters, and with some patience, he can make himself understood though with[some analogies] ([archive]) and a dictionary.

From the HSK vocabulary list, he estimates that he is definitely HSK 3, but not quite HSK 4. This would likely equate A2/B1 in the[European system].

Phonetics wise, Ciro can't distinguish or produce a few sounds, notably `-ing` vs `-in` and his off-tone rate is high, but it tends to not matter at all compared to his lack of vocabulary. Except for his <<wife,mother-in-law>>, who sometimes does not understand it at all without correct tones!

Ciro reads with link:[Perapera] when he wants to learn new words/has patience/something is very important, and can basically understand everything in that way. TODO perapera support stopped in 2021: and since browsers don't have stable API's it very quickly stopped working for everyone. Alternatives asked at:[Zhongwen] worked, source at

When he has no patience or for larger not very important chunks of text though, he reads with Google Translate as it tends to work, and then if there is an important sentence that was translated to garbage with Perapera.

Ciro writes with a mixture of link:[Pleco], Google translate and Googling to see if Chinese actually say the sentences that way, never Google translate alone as it would be too imprecise.

Ciro really wishes he could learn more Chinese. Ciro really loves the Chinese language. But he has other more important endeavors at the moment. There simply aren't enough hours in a day.

Spoken Chinese is in Ciro's opinion a relatively easy language to learn from scratch, because word formation is so often logical:, e.g.:

* volcano = fire + mountain: 火山(huo shan)
* train = fire + car: 火车 (huo che), a reference to old[steam locomotives]

and there is no useless crap like[verb grammatical conjugation],[grammatical gender],[plural inflection], capitalization, etc. ([latino sine flexione] anyone?)

Ciro <<characters,hasn't tried to learn characters>> because <<chinese-characters-are-insane,too much effort>>, but he did learn some of the most common ones without trying.

Ciro initially learnt from book that come with audio recordings in the first 6-months to 1 year in 2010, but that got impossibly boring afterward, so he later moved to just basically talking as much as possible non-important things to <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,his wife in Chinese>>, and whenever he reaches one that he doesn't know that seems useful, he Plecos it up or just 怎么说 to his <<wife>> and then Pleco.

It should also be mentioned that Ciro also feels that it would be better if all countries more officially adopted English as an international language that everyone should learn for reasons explained at:

===== Chinese characters are insane (汉字是疯狂的)

Maybe the commies for once <<richer,did something good>> by introducing[simplified Chinese characters (简化字)]?

But they should have gone further and reduced it to pinyin like the Korean and Vietnamese did, this will make your culture much easier to export.

No foreign adult will every learn to read and write Chinese unless they are completely obsessed by the culture or need it as part of their jobs. And even then, they will avoid it at all costs, because life is just too short!

Japanese[furigana] also comes to mind. The characters are so insane that you need a well specified and widely used phonetic reading aid!

Yes, ideograms are:

*[maybe you can read faster]
*[vertical text (纵排)] is beautiful.
** the top to bottom aspect is obviously due to the binding of[bamboo and wooden slips] (简牍[简牍])
** TODO but why right to left? Left to right makes more sense as you don't put your hand on top of the most recent ink:
** but is it more efficient?[Zhihu],[Quora]).
** also clarifies that traditional shop signs are also right to left, and it is just a sub-case of the usual right to left script, but with a single row
* more historically stable, and you can still read/learn more or less quickly to read[texts written more than two thousand years ago]
* it takes up way less horizontal space as Ciro noticed while adding bilingual captions to some of the images under see e.g.:
** on the other hand, you have to use slightly larger fonts for Chinese, because the characters are so dense that if they are not tall enough they become unreadable. Still, the area is much smaller without a doubt.
* single character emoticons like "[囧]", before the[Emoticons Unicode block]! Yes, when your language has a character so useless that it becomes an emoticon, maybe you should start to worry that something went wrong somewhere... See also <<tank-man-emoticon>>.

but they just take too much time for any sane person adult to learn, it's harder than {cpp}!

<<ciro-santilli>> smirked when he came across the character "蒄" in Pleco, and the translation was: "meaning unknown (herb mentioned in old books)". Yes, at the word level, the same like exists in phonetic systems, but that it takes up a modern dictionary and Unicode slot is still funny.

Posts that express similar ideas:

* <<evil-chinese-characters-by-ted-chiang>>

.The "fictional" Chinese character "Dou" from[Uncyclopedia] is roughly translated as "Impossibly complex pictogram-based writing system that takes a person a thousand thousand years to learn." and illustrates well why pictograms are a bad idea.[Source].

.The Sweet Brown[Ain't Nobody Got Time for That] meme ([knowyourmeme]) fits perfectly into how Ciro feels about learning Chinese characters.

.Translation of the above.

.Chinese typewriter. As you would expect, it is insanely complex, and slow to type with.[Source].

. RARE Japanese Toshiba Typewriter. Types in Japanese, Chinese + English. Toshiba Typewriter Model BW-2112.

. Commercial for IBM's Selectric Typewriter 1960's Contrast with the above.

. "The most complex Chinese character" by Vladimir Skultety does a reasonable analysis of which Chinese character is the most complex

====== Seal (印章)


Seals are also of course top to bottom right to left as in the traditional texts.

====== Evil Chinese Characters by Ted Chiang (坏汉字由Ted Chiang)

Ciro's <<does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese>> was mentioned in a related Zhihu answer: <<zhihu-ted-chiang-answer>>.

==== Is Ciro Santilli a radical?

Saying that someone is a radical is useless <<brainwashed-by-usa,ad hominem>>.

If you want to say something useful, give specific reasons why you think one specific thing that <<ciro-santilli>> said is incorrect.

Do you consider him a radical because it is unthinkable that China is not perfect?

Or just because he's trying to <<keyword-attack,take down>> some more websites that your dictatorship still does not dislike enough to block: <<china-is-fine-as-it-is-stop-making-it-worse>>?

Don't you think that it is much more radical to <<intolerance,be put in jail for your beliefs>> and <<censorship,silenced if you disagree with anything the government says>>?

Ciro doesn't think either China or West is perfect: <<western-media-has-exaggerated-reports-on-flg-for-propaganda-reasons>>.

He's just listing arguments why he thinks democracy is better, e.g.: <<richer>>, <<war>>.

See also:

* <<preconceived>>
* <<bias>>

And Ciro never gets mad. Only a slightly sad or annoyed sometimes.

But maybe no radical ever considers themselves a radical? Hmmm...

Or maybe: link:[The Dark Knight - Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn]?

==== Ciro Santilli is stupid

D E E P:


Feel free to publish any proof of your own incredible intelligence.

==== Is Ciro Santilli a SJW?

SJW: there is a seed of SJW in <<ciro-santilli>>.

One major difference between Ciro and the stereotypical SJW is that he never engage in lengthy discussions as per <<reply-policy>>.

He limits himself to listening as much as he can to learn new arguments.

So the rationale of his actions is no_ to convince anyone, but rather:

* increase the monetary cost of censorship by binding politics to tech with <<keyword-attack>>
* group up like-minded people who don't like <<censorship>>

See also: <<preconceived>>

===== Is Ciro Santilli a China watcher? (Pekingologist, 三西猴是观察中国者吗?, Intelligence Analyst)


Yup.[Nope]? Well, Ciro's what you'll get on <<github>> until someone better comes along.

===== Are you a SJW?

Moved to <<is-ciro-santilli-a-sjw>>.

==== Does Ciro Santilli hate China? 三西猴讨厌中国吗?

On the contrary. China has his favorite:

* <<restaurants,food>>
* <<does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese,language>>
* <<music>>
* history
* nature
* culture, notably:
** intense respect for older people. Whenever Ciro was with his <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother-in-law>> and asked for help from young Chinese people, they were extremely nice.
It is hard to understand how the same people have not managed to speak up when <<flg-persecution,70 million old ladies were put into jail when Falun Gong was banned>>. Only the extreme fear of also going to jail could explain it. Living in China is living in constant fear if you can think for yourself.
** enormous importance given to education. One must not forget however: grades are useless, and all that matters is how much you improve society

And because of that: <<would-ciro-santilli-like-to-live-in-china>>.

As link:[Bjarne] said:

There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses

Ciro only focus here on negative things to provide content that will <<keyword-attack,activate the Great Firewall>>.

A small poem:

持华反党 +
爱国恨党 +

Support the Chinese people, oppose the Party +
Love the country, hate the Party +

The second sentence well known:爱国恨党love_china_hate_ccp/

.Round gate at[Yu Garden] (豫园[豫园]) in Shanghai. The large characters on top read (<<chinese-characters-are-insane,left to right>>) "流翠" TODO not sure about the second character, understand reference. <<ciro-santilli>> thinks that[Chinese gardens] (中國園林[中国园林]) are amazing!!! link:++[Source].

===== Chinese traditional painting (中国传统绘画)

See also: <<museum>>.

Some free online collections:

* Smithsonian collection at a search for Paintings before 1800. Drill down further by "topic" e.g. "Mountains" or "scholar"

."Plum, orchid, bamboo, chrysanthemum" (梅兰竹菊) painting by[Zheng Xie (郑燮)] representing the[four gentlemen] (花中四君子[花中四君子]). Ciro is a big fan of[traditional Chinese bird-and-flower painting (花鸟画)] like this.[Source].

===== Why does Ciro Santilli love China so much?

<<ciro-santilli>> does not <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong,believe in reincarnation>>, but sometimes he's tempted to.

It is interesting how different people get <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,different impressions>>!

Of course, the fact that his wife is Chinese and <<flg-bias,does Falun Gong>> may or may not have played a role in it :-)

It was like this: Ciro started getting interested in Chinese culture, then he started hanging out with Chinese people, and then he started hanging out with his wife!

So yes, it is a chicken and egg type of thing. The fact that she is one of the most intelligent, morally upright, cute, and "never give up" person I know may have helped me choose too.

==== Ciro Santilli's China freedom campaign is selfish

See also:

* <<flg-bias>>
* <<throne>>
* <<harm-programmers>>

===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to become famous

No, he am a selfless human being, only concerned with the greater well being of humankind.

More serious answer:

* he believes in this. As evidence, it has limiting effects on his technological career: <<does-your-employer-support-this>>, and he doesn't think he can/wants to become a politician in China if the CCP ever falls
* the more famous Ciro is, the more impact he will have in the future
* the more famous Ciro is, the more feedback he have that what he's been doing has been working

Keyword: attention whore.

Duplicate pool:


===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign because it makes him feel important

See: <<famous>>.

===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to vent off his anger

No, he is not angry at all, see also: <<harm-programmers>>.

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===== Is Ciro Santilli's china-dictatorship campaign funded or otherwise supported by some organization? 谁收买三西猴散布关于中国的谣言?

Sure, the CIA sends Ciro 10 thousand USD checks from time to time, but that doesn't change at all what he would be doing.

And sometimes the NSA, FBI, MI6, MI5, Mossad, Al-Qaeda and ISIS also pitch in a bit depending on their needs.

Just kidding.

A shady supporting organization might require that he does not disclose their support, so maybe the best answer is that you will never know for sure.

Of course, a hidden support would represent a reputation hit for both such organizations and for me, which makes it less likely that I would have accepted or had such an offer.

Also consider Ciro's motivation. If your <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother in law were put into jail unfairly for 15 days>>, for following the same religion that <<flg-bias,your wife follows>>, and if you had a social media presence, wouldn't you be tempted to do the same?

What about you, are you funded by the CCP?

See also:


==== Would Ciro Santilli be doing his China freedom campaign if he was in China?

Not with his real name attached to it, see also:

* <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship>>
* <<not-chinese>>

===== Does your employer support this?

My employer has nothing to do with this.

He doesn't approve or disapprove of the Chinese government or of my private actions.

The only thing that my employer _does_ believe in is that employees can have their own political opinions, and that this should not affect hiring decisions.

Obviously, this action limits my ability to lead high profile deals with China.

Also I'm quite curious if this would limit my ability to go to China for business, but I haven't applied for a visa since I've started this. It likely wouldn't be a good idea for me to go to China :-)

But my employer believes that inclusion and non-discrimination are more valuable.

I will always do my best to not let my personal opinions affect my professional decisions, as that would be unfair to my employer.

==== Doesn't Ciro Santilli have anything better to do than pissing off China?

In 1989, besides <<tiananmen>> and <<ciro-santilli>>'s birth, a beautiful thing called the World Wide Web was invented!

The Internet gives everyone the magic power of writing something, and having million people read it for free!

This is how much time Ciro spends on this project to give you an idea:

* every week or two, someone sends me a message, he reply with "read the FAQ", and usually update
* Ciro amongst many other programming subs, and all major bad news show up there. See also: <<anti-ccp-info-sources>>
* when something bad enough comes up, Ciro go to by <<china-digital-times>>and update <<keyword-attack,his keyword attack>>. He's only been updating it on Stack Overflow and GitHub these days.

Then Ciro just contributes to programming websites exactly as he would if he weren't making this campaign, and voila.

Edit: to be fair, the end of 2019 and start of 2020 was such as hot year with <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> and <<covid>> that Ciro might have spent a tiny little bit more ;-)

But Ciro did it only when his brain was too tired of technical stuff and unable to do more, or as a brain warm up routine in the morning.

Telling the CCP to fuck off is surprisingly relaxing, you should try it some time too. It uses a different part of your brain other than the programming one. It is, one could say, an art form.

=== People in China have already considered democracy, and rejected it

OK, shall we put that to an anonymous vote just to make sure?

Dear sir or madam: do you want more control over your government? y/n

Oops, I forgot that <<most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship,proposing such a vote would put in you jail>>, nevermind.

=== Would it be right to use violence to overthrow the CCP?

In an ideal world, Ciro Santilli is of course "against violence".

But what if you could prevent a lot of future violence with some violence today?

Ah, the eternal question which only God can answer:

* "What is the origin of the quote 'The end justifies the means?'"
**[Trolley problem]
* link:[Nonviolent-resistance]

Do you really think that the communists will step down if you ask them nicely enough? Even after <<tiananmen>>?

A quote from[V for Vendetta (2005)] comes to mind:

Q: If they do, what do you think will happen [the people protest against their Government]?

A: What usually happens when people <<second-amendment,without guns>> stand up to people with guns.

. V for Vendetta (2005) "What you think will happen" scene.

How do you think the CCP or any other party got into power and maintained that power in the first place? Obviously[through violence]. And likely due to earlier <<not-chinese,Japanese invasions which weakened the Guomindang>>.

And the CCP actually uses "the ends justify the means" as an argument to justify its own actions: <<overlook-human-rights-for-profit>>.

The question of if anything is morally right or wrong makes no sense. All that matters is: what is the government that maximizes the happines of its own people, and who has the power to do what? <<richer,Getting richer,>> is part of the equation, but so is <<rule-of-law,not being constantly affraid that you will be randomly put in jail for no good reason>>.

If you do decide to strike though, <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship,stay safe, gather your forces on the Internet, and only strike when victory seems certain>>.

For "violence is illegal" arguments, see also: <<follow-the-law>>.

.One baby <<nazi,Hitler>> or 5 Million Jews[trolley problem] illustrates well the moral dilemma of["the ends justify the means"].

.Translation: What women think men want (a kiss). What men actually want (decapitating <<xi-jinping>>). The image from the left comes from the Japanese manga[Okaeri Alice] according to Reddit comments. The image to the right is based on an illustration of the decapitation of[Louis XVI] (路易十六[路易十六]) during the[French Revolution] (法国大革命[法国大革命]), but with Louis' head replaced by Xi Jinping's head. An original can be found at:[].真正的需要/[Source].

==== Second amendment (美國憲法第二修正案)


If China had the second amendment in 1989, the <<ccp>> would not be in power in 1990.

<<dictatorship-variability,It is better to have a bit of random shootings every day, than to have a full scale revolution every 20 years>>.

The availability of guns however only explains part of the problem of gun violence in the USA: the other huge thing that must be addressed is to <<western-society-is-extremely-unequal,reduce inequality>>.

A somewhat popular <<wumao>> criticism of gun violence in the USA (+ other problems) in song/poem form was brought up at


自由美利坚, +
枪击每一天; +
白恨黑卑微, +
黑仇黄有钱。 +
世界第一强, +
川普再号强; +
新冠启示录, +
群体免疫法; +
比强还更强, +
世界一病夫。 +
如今五十万, +
耶稣爱美国, +
与民天国欢。 +
人命如草芥, +
不及股市贵; +
战火连中东, +

Related discussions:


TODO origin?

==== It is fine for the CCP to treat some of its citizens unfairly if the majority is better off

Basically same discussion as: <<violence>> but with the tables turned.

See also: <<uneducated-masses>>

=== Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁!

Ciro is using the word in an slightly extended/joking sense.

Maybe "authoritarian" is a more precise term, but it is just too much of a mouthful.

In particular, dictatorships are harder to sustain than authoritarianism, since it generally implies even less freedom, and a single leader whose death can destabilize everything.

The CCP is more like a social class with a large number of members and various sub-layers, and it is therefore much harder to take down on the other hand.

Dictatorship is becoming link:[more and more precise under Xi] however.

Even <<mao-zedong>> admits it and put it into the constitution:[People's democratic dictatorship 人民民主专政], so funny.

Well known <<evil-west,Evil Western media>> that also call China a dictatorship:

* 2020-01-29 "Coronavirus Spreads, and the World Pays for China's Dictatorship"
* 2018-03-04 "Xi Jinping's power play: from president to China's new dictator?"
* 2017-10-11 "Under Xi Jinping, China is turning back to dictatorship"

Further discussions about this useless terminology question:


==== What are the best sources of anti-CCP news?[], see also: <<reddit>>

Catches all the important news.

A large part of the posts has controversial material.

Has some noise of course as well, but less than other media I find.

Highly worth your feed.

Reddit was banned in China in August 2018:

<<tencent>> will invest 150 million on Reddit in 2019: See also: <<biased-media>>.

===== Reddit

Subs with lots of anti-commie info:

* is arguably the best as of 2020, see also: <<anti-ccp-info-sources>>
* small as of 2020 but promising
* had 3x more users than r/china as of 2020 after <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>.
** another Honk Kong one, TODO vs r/HongKong.
* for <<covid>>
* 3k subs 2020
* 2.5k subs 2021-03
* (第二新S1市) modded by <<chinatimeline>> TODO title meaning
* China Circle Jerk subs (CCJ). TODO: these appear to be <<politically-incorrect,politically incorrect>> subs, but they do seem to allow anti-commit info. As of 2020, they were either banned or private:

Non-China specific but relevant:

* as of 2020 a large part of it was China specific:
** photo of Xi Jinping with text: "Yo guys, I promise, worker democracy is coming right after a few hundred years of totalitarian state capitalism with Chinese characteristics."
** "Today is the 32nd anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre. This is a photo of its aftermath. Death to the CCP." Night photo of dead people and bicycles on <<tiananmen>>

TODO review:

* (流浪防区) claims pro-CCP, but e.g.各位键委如何看待gfw/ has <<gfw>> talks

===== Instagram


===== r/chonglangTV

15k users 2020-03.

Overview of their culture:

Chinese language, pretty good content, anti-CCP samples:

* 2020-03-27这人行能处/ (Ciro is nice)
* 2021-02致那些坚持认为不会翻墙者不配看墙外东西的粉红/
* 2021-01最双标的人/ (the people with the most double standards, 双标 is a short form or 双重标准), comments how China complained when the US imposed sanctions on <<huawei>>, while China itself had already banned everything from the West
* 2021不_言_而_喻一_目_了_然/ has a cartoon about <<jack-mas-disappearance-2021>>. Ciro's actually going to steal that.

====== r/sino

Any comment critical of China and mods immediately ban you, e.g. on 2020-08-21 at which is related to <<gitee>>, <<ciro-santilli>> commented:

Let's see how long it takes them to block my repo/account: |

The ban message is:

You have been permanently banned from participating in r/Sino. You can still view and subscribe to r/Sino, but you won't be able to post or comment.

Try[r/westerner] TRASH doesn't get by mods here. Tiananmen Square is vindicated by China's development. Anti terror system in Xinjiang is working. End result for HK is the same since 1997, regardless of rioters. Scientology-esque FLG/Shen Yun cult show has failed for decades, if you believe their claims, it's all of them losing badly.

Dec 31 China informed WHO about mysterious pneumonia. Jan 11 Chinese reveal virus genome Jan 23 Wuhan quarantine - businessinsider/sciencemag

You had the genome and saw the lengths China went to. Don't blame others for failing months later.

US accused of 'modern piracy' after diversion of masks meant for Europe - theguardian

Democracies Are Better at Fighting Outbreaks - theatlantic XD

The US leads in coronavirus cases, but not pandemic response - sciencemag XD

Beliefs of founder cultleader of Falun Gong from own lectures on official falundafa site

====== r/russia

Completely pro-Putin, e.g. removed about <<the-poisoning-of-alexei-navalny-2020>>

===== Telegram

* see also: <<knowlesys>>

===== Twitter (推特)

Lists by <<ciro-santilli>>:

* anti-ccp
* pro-ccp

Particularly interesting ones:

* After <<unjust-social-media-censorship-in-the-west,Trump was unfairly banned from Twitter>>, his social media team created an amazing "Chongald Xrump" account <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,pretending ridiculously to be a CCP PR person>>, it had really good posts.
But that amazing account was banned: Twitter is <<politically-incorrect,trying really hard>> to beat the <<censorship,CCP at its own game>>.
* 墙国蛙蛤蛤. The username is a reference to a frog that jumps over the <<gfw>>.


* 2021-07 "Twitter restricts account of expert who mocked China leader" Anne-Marie Brady
* 2021-04-08: publicly supported the <<milk-tea-alliance>>

.Cartoon showing Donald Trump's mouth sewn shut in a "Twitter" shape by <<kuang-biao>> (2021) after Trump was <<unjust-social-media-censorship-in-the-west,banned from Twitter>>. You know it's bad when the artists who normally criticize the <<ccp,CCP>> start to criticize you. <<rebel-pepper>>'s["I can't Tweet"] comes to mind, although it was about <<racist-west>> instad.[Source].

===== YouTube

Many western Pro CCP accounts: <<ccp-apologists>>.

====== Winnie the Pool (乳透社·小池塘,XJP音源,习近平音源) 乳透社·小池塘Winnie the Pool. Basically a bunch of anti-Xi Jinping YouTube poop in Chinese.

* 乳透社·小反旗 sister channel

Many of their videos use their <<xi-jinping-speech-synthesizer>> system called XJP音源(习近平音源). It is mentioned in the description of videos e.g.

* gives some voice synthesis methods used

GitHub reupload:

===== Tumblr

* 独立思考社群 (Independent thought society)

==== Where can I find good words for a keyword attack?

* List of blacklisted keywords in China
*[Complete GFW Rulebook for Wikipedia v3.0]
* <<china-digital-times>> This is was an amazing source, extremely comprehensive and up-to-date, but the series was stopped in September 2018:
** word of the week, ran from Mar 7, 2012 to Sep 20, 2018
*** "CDT CENSORSHIP DIGEST", monthly version of Word of the week started on Feb 10, 2020
** censorship directive reports
***有关部门/真理部指令/?view=all chinese version
** a wiki version of the censored word lists, the ,"<<caonima,Grass-mud horse>> index" (cao3n2ma3 草泥马), with a censored term of the week section.
** sensitive words list
** Fun 2015 ebook:
** Has received funding from US Government to some extent:

See also:

* <<censorship-monitoring>>
* <<tiananmen-square-protests-keywords>>

==== How do you choose keywords for the keyword attack?

I haven't counted, but the limit for Stack Overflow is quite low, and I'm always almost at the maximum, which is about "Ciro Santilli" + 3 3-4 Chinese character events with a separator.

These are some of my prioritization guidelines:

* recent cases receive a large prime over the raw death toll, because older cases can always be attributed to other people.
E.g., I've heard there is even some opening towards acknowledging the Great Famine, thus 烏坎事件 (and others from my previous profile names)
* words must refer to a precise event, and must be clearly summarizable in very few chars, for increased impact, and profile name length limitations.
E.g. "High <<corruption,corruption>> rates, high pollution", although very serious, feel too generic.
* events that relate directly to freedom of speech receive a prime, since they can only happen in China and very few other countries.
E.g.: <<falun-gong>>, <<tiananmen>>.
Non e.g.: corruption and pollution. Those are hard to quantify, and there is always an immediate reply: china GDP per capita is low, same happens in India, Brazil, etc.
Freedom of speech however, is immediately verifiable (e.g. "my <<weibo,Weibo>> was taken down"), and undeniably caused by the current central government.
* the more people affected, and the more deeply they have been affected, the more important obviously

I am currently trying to maintain in my Stack Overflow Location a ranking of events in a single string, so that it can be easily copy pasted around. The location appears on every page if you hover over my account name, so it is likely in the HTML at least.

If you think that this list can be improved, please open an issue explaining how and why.

==== Other notable keyword attacks

===== Notepad++


It might be a newbie text editors for newbie Windows users, but at least they use it to good use by doing keyword attacks:

* 2020-08: "Text editor Notepad{plus}{plus} banned in China after ‘Stand With Hong Kong' update" where "banned" means "the download page where they keywords are shown is now blocked in Chinese browsers". The rest of the website is still up. So no domain block due to HTTPS, browser only action for now.
* 2019-10: "In October 2019 Notepad{plus}{plus}'s GitHub issue tracker was flooded with pro-Chinese and anti-western messages after a version codenamed "Free Uyghur" (v7.8.1) was released"
** "Notepad{plus}{plus}, after voicing their support for the Uyghurs, is now being bombarded by Chinese nationalists on Github." See e.g.: and earlier issues
* 2008-03: "In March 2008 the "Boycott Beijing 2008" banner was placed on Notepad{plus}{plus}'s homepage":

The creator appears to be a Vietnamese immigrant or descendant living in France. There are many such immigrants due to Vietnam being an ex-colony: Also he must have good reason to dislike the commies due to similar commit bullshit in Vietnam. He was at[Paris Diderot] in 2000: ([archive]).

=== Separatism (分离主义)

If a large number of people in a given region want to leave an country strongly or have greater autonomy, <<ciro-santilli>> believes that they should be allowed to do so.


* if they don't feel they are getting a good deal out of your country, it is unfair to keep them in
* keeping them in the country forcibly implies large scale violation of human rights: mass incarceration and removing freedom of speech.
Which in turn implies terrorist backslash.
All of which are against <<ciro-santilli>>'s principles.
. "It happened in ... Luxor" by Al Jazeera English (2011) is a short documentary about the[Luxor massacre in Egypt (1997)]. At this timestamp, survivorüller[Felix Mueller] whose girlfriend was killed in the attack comments that it is when people don't have an official way to express their needs due to censorship that they are more likely to turn to terrorism to express themselves.

What makes Ciro the maddest is the censorship. If you are going to put people in jail, write a clear law about it, and let international reporters come to see the situation.

But why do you do something and then hide it? Maybe because you are not doing the right thing?

Ciro also believes that although terrorists must be fought with all our strength, they must also be given some degree respect (interspersed simultaneously <<sacred-cows,with humour>>). He sometimes prefers the term "warriors" or "fighters", because their actions are largely indistinguishable from many ideological or purely greed based actions that larger nation states have done many times over and over. It is just a war, plain and simple.

The reason why they kill mostly civilians is that they don't have the means to kill the presidents those civilians elected. An amazing scene from[The Battle of Algiers (1966)] comes to mind. After the head of the[Algerian independence] movement and terrorist,[Larbi Ben M'hidi] is arrested, the French military let him be interviewed by the press on 4 March 1967 (TODO real words? Cannot find source):


Journalist: Don't you think that it is cowardly to use the handbags and pushchairs of your women to transport your bombs? Those bombs that make so many innocent victims? [Earlier in the movie, we saw women carriying bombs into the French areas of Algiers through those means]

Larbi Ben M'hidi: And you, don't you think that it is much more cowardly to drop on defenseless villages your napalm bombs that kill thousands times more? Obviously, with airplanes, it would have been much more convenient for us. Give us your bombers, and we will give you the pushchairs.

Original text:

Journalist: Ne trouvez-vous pas plutôt lâche d'utiliser les sacs et les couffins de vos femmes pour transporter vos bombes? Ces bombes qui font tant de victimes innocentes?

Larbi Ben M'hidi: Et vous, ne vous semble t-il beacoup plus lache de larguer sur des vilages sans défence vos bombes au napalme qui tuent mille fois plus d'innocents? Évidement, avec des avions, ca aurait été beaucoup plus comode pour nous. Donnez vous vos bombardiers monsieur, et on vous donnera les couffins.

See also: <<western-democracies-have-invaded-other-countries-and-crushed-separatism>>.

==== Taiwan (Republic of China, 台湾, 中華民國)


If you are interested in Taiwan, one important programmer forum is: <<ptt>>.

Some interesting links:

* (zh) "【這就是科學|柯文哲】EP3/從癌症治療看政治!除惡務盡→除惡「勿」盡?「與敵共存」才是生存之道!", 柯文哲, 2019-06-26. Ko Wen-je, the mayor of Taipei 台北 and a professor in medicine, applies the concept of isolation and mutation in evolution to Taiwan and China


* 2021-03-10 "Shoppers in Asia Snap Up Taiwan’s Pineapples in Defiance of China’s Ban". In 2018 there were <<fake-news>> about that apparently: but now it became true.


* 为什么西方国家不针对台湾? Why don't Western countries target Taiwan [in their criticisms]? First answer: because of something called <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>.

===== One China policy (一个中国)


Taiwan is not a case of <<separatism>>.

Taiwan is a completely separate country split due to civil war, long ago.

Almost every country, and all reasonably powerful countries, have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. They just don't call them diplomatic relations to not piss off China so they can keep doing business.

The fact that most countries in the world does officially recognize Taiwan as a country is a joke, considering that the only thing keeping it afloat is the West's military threat.

<<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,The West must not>> let China advance and take more territories. The more they take, the more they will want.

The West must protect China's neighboring countries with military support and assurance.

The West must recognize Taiwan for what it is: a separate country, under threat of invasion, and in need of support.

If China's claim to Taiwan is valid, then Taiwan also has an equally valid claim on China.

If China's claim to Taiwan is valid, then so will its claim to any other country.

China, if you want to claim that Taiwan is a part of you, just grow some balls and invade them already. Or just stop this stupid joke.

Interesting quote from

Taiwan's Status Is a Geopolitical Absurdity

And calls the One China policy a:

polite fiction
____ hi, I want a "not VISA" to Taiwan. Thanks.

A well educated Mainlander who lived outside of China once told Ciro:

Taiwan should not be considered a country by China, because then it would not join back to China when China becomes a democracy, and would be used by the USA to do evil things as they did in the Middle East

Ciro was shocked. He considered that person highly intelligent and not fully brainwashed! Reply:

China claiming that Taiwan is a part of them only drives Taiwan closer to the West! Who wants to be part of a dictatorship unless you have been brainwashed by one?

They truly believe in <<evil-west>>.

The US first caved in in 1972 with theé[Shanghai Communiqué].


* 20201-01-10 "U.S. Eases Restrictions on Contact With Taiwan in Jab at China"
* "Taiwan finalises purchase of F-16 jets from Lockheed Martin". 90 jets, 8 billion USD.
* 2020-05-26 "Brazilian netizens fight back against CCP threats over Taiwan support"
** It should also be mentioned that this campaign could be being used/created by pro-Bolsanaro politicians as a way to detract focus from the COVID-19 epidemic that is reaching its deadliest phase in Brazil, e.g.:
* 2020 <<covid>> and Taiwan:
** Taiwan was at a disadvantage during since it was not part of the[World Health Organization] and therefore could not get information as fast and influence decisions
. WHO officer[Bruce Alyward] pretends not to hear question from[Radio Television Hong Kong (RTHK)] about the possibility of Taiwan's membership in the WHO during a one-to-one Skype interview,[reference].
* 2020-03-27 "U.S. President Donald Trump has signed into law an act that requires increased U.S. support for Taiwan internationally". But he didn't recognize it as a country. Semi bullshit.
* Taiwan Travel Act


*台湾问题 on <<baidu-baike>>

.The flag of Taiwan. Like most modern countries, Taiwan has one.[Source].

.[Presidential Office Building of Taiwan] (總統府_(臺灣)[總統府_(臺灣) | 总统府 (台湾)]). What is that flag we see on top of the central government building of Taiwan? It appears to have a blue rectangle on the top left![Source].

.It is fun to see that some small random Latin American countries–Taiwan_relations[like Paraguay] recognize only Taiwan and not Mainland China. Brave warriors!!![Source].

.Washington DC TECRO. Instead of "embassies", Taiwan has["Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Offices" (TECROs)]臺北經濟文化代表處[(台北经济文化代表处|臺北經濟文化代表處)] in 2013. The just happen to issue VISAs and passports like embassies, but remember, they are not embassies. No flag you see? This is because idiotic countries don't allow TECROs to have the Taiwan flag. In 2019 Senator Ted Cruz planned on passing a law to allow that though:[].[Source].

.2014 cartoon by D Nguyen summarizing the Taiwan China relationship in history. Featuring: fatter and fatter <<mao-zedong>> on first three cartoons to the left, likely <<deng-xiaoping>> to left on the last, and <<chiang-kai-shek>> to the right. TODO middle figure on last cartoon. TODO find proper attribution source, originally seen at:[].

.Proposed reunification flag for Taiwan and China.[Source].

.West Taiwan (西台湾), also known as Mainland Taiwan (台湾大陆), also known as China. Not to be confused with[Western Taiwan] (臺灣西部[台湾西部]), which is a region of Taiwan.[Source].

===== Taiwan #1 (2915)

2015 meme started by[H1Z1] streamer AngryPug, in which he repeatedly taunts the Chinese streamer Em0 by pretending to be Taiwanese.


. ANGRYPUG's official YouTube upload of the clip "Taiwan #1" meme.

See also: <<photobombing-like-attacks>>.

===== Hololive

Hololive is a[VTuber] management company from Japan.

<<ciro-santilli>> didn't know WTF a VTuber was before coming across this event, he's too old for that.

The key event was 2020-09-28 "Japanese VTubers banned for mentioning Taiwan during livestream":

During their most recent livestreams, Hololive Japanese VTubers Kiryu Coco and Akai Haato announced the countries where they have received the most followers based on YouTube analytics. One of the countries that they highlighted was Taiwan because it accounted for seven percent of viewers and they displayed the flag of Taiwan to represent the nation.

therefore joining the long list of <<western-companies-that-comply-with-chinese-censorship-requests>>.

This event was clarified to Ciro at: and is tracked under

Interestingly, this led to a large number of <<shitpost>>/spam on[], culminating notably at[], and many of them seemed to involve:

*[Pixiv], which is "a Japanese online community for artists" which likely has lots of VTubers,
* Japanese language, although one of the very extremely erudite and trustworthy comments at: suggests that the Japanese at there is completely broken, and it is likely just a Chinese person using Google Translate

It is however hard to understand the rationale of such posts.

===== Internal politics of Taiwan


As of 2020, there are two relevant parties:

*["Kuomintang"], which have become a bunch of pussies, and prefer to keep the ambiguous <<one-china-policy>> status quo, to not get bombed, and do some commerce with China. Those people make <<chiang-kai-shek>> turn in his grave of shame.
*[], which wants independence, and was winning as of 2020

===== Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石, 蔣中正)


==== Xinjiang (新疆)



* 2014 something very serious happened in Xinjiang.
* 2010 Xinjiang 10 month Internet blackout
* 2009 Ürümqi riots
** 2009 Shaoguan incident

Terrorist attacks done by Xinjiang separatists:


Notable terrorist attacks:

* 2014 Kunming attack
** photo of 8 bodies lined up after the attack:
** Interestingly, points out that by <<china-digital-times>> said that:
The public must realize that a handful of extremists are far from qualified to represent tens of millions of local residents in Xinjiang. It is not only an irrational and biased mindset to put the blame on the entire Uyghur community or the Muslim world, but the idea will also abet and aid those separatists and terrorists who are desperate to take advantage of ethnic and religious conflicts.
and yet as of the <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>, all Xinjiang Muslims were fucked. <<rule-of-law>> comes to mind.


*[Ilham Tohti] (伊力哈木·土赫提[伊力哈木·土赫提])

.<<rebel-pepper,Rebel Pepper>> 2017-04 cartoon showing that Xinjiang is like a prison inside a greater prison, which is China itself. Chinese characters read: 新疆(Xinjiang) and 中国(China). TODO source.

.Uyghur butcher with chained knives in Xinjiang (2021). Knives at shops in Xinjiang have to remain chained, and each blade is tracked with a[QR code]. A <<zhihu>> question about it[]: 为什么菜刀要用铁链子栓起来? 来乌市快有一个月啦,我很好奇为什么所有的店里都要用铁链子把菜刀栓起来? (Why are kitchen knifes tied up with an iron chain? It's been almost a month since I came toÜrümqi[Urumqi] [capital of Xinjiang]? I am curious why all the shops have to tie up kitchen knives with iron chains?).[Source].

===== Xinjiang "re-education" camps (新疆再教育營, 2017-)


The keyword is <<rule-of-law>>: because of a few terrorists, every single Muslim was fucked even if they did not commit any crime.

Master issue:

Overview projects:

* Talking about Xinjiang 我们一起来谈谈新疆
* Breaking Down the Xinjiang Crisis on <<the-woke-global-times>>
* <<xinjiang-data-project>>


* 2021-06 Inside Xinjiang short video series by The Telegraph. Basically the lady getting followed by police everywhere, and some destroyed mosques.
* 2021-04-16 "Breaking: Xinjiang's latest 2020 Statistical Yearbook lacks ALL crucial population data"
* 2021-04 The wings of songs (歌声的翅膀, 2021) Xinjiang propaganda musical film
** trailer
* 2021-03-28 <<cgtn>> invents French national "Laurene Beaumond" who refutes the situation in Xinjiang:
** <<cgtn>> article in French:[] by "Laurene Beaumond". The article was updated a day later: this time they remembered to say that Laurene Beaumond is a pseudonym. Article URL:
** original investigation by Le Monde:
** commentary
* 2021-03-20 "The nightmare of Uyghur families separated by repression" on <<amnesty-international>>
Although it is often extremely difficult, if not impossible, for Uyghurs overseas to receive information about the whereabouts of their family members, some parents have received bits and pieces of information in the form of coded words, or photos and videos, from relatives and friends that make them believe their children were taken to state-run “orphan camps” or boarding schools.
* 2021-03-01 "China counters Uighur criticism with explicit attacks on women witnesses"
Chinese officials have named women, disclosed what they say is private medical data and information on the women’s fertility, and accused some of having affairs and one of having a sexually transmitted disease. The officials said the information was evidence of bad character, invalidating the women’s accounts of abuse in Xinjiang.
* 2020-10-28 <<global-times>> in response to[The Murder of Ssamuel Paty] clarifies that the best way to counter terrorism is preventive mass incarceration and brainwashing: "Eradicating extremism is a huge challenge of governance for all countries. China has proactively explored feasible ways in its Xinjiang governance and generated positive outcomes."
* 2020-10-17 (paywall) "How Xinjiang's gulag tears families apart". "So many parents have been locked up that officials struggle to cope with the left-behind children"
* 2020-09-19 "Chinese authorities "indirectly" confirm the scale of the camps. China claims 1.3 million Xinjiang residents given 'vocational training' each year"
The document: also quoted on <<peoples-daily>>:
Official English translation:
Title: 新疆的劳动就业保障 (Employment and Labor Rights in Xinjiang)
Google translation:
The average annual training for all kinds of workers in urban and rural areas in Xinjiang is 1.288 million, of which 451,400 are trained in southern Xinjiang. Participants have mastered at least one employment skill, and most of them have obtained vocational qualification certificates, vocational skill level certificates or special vocational ability certificates to achieve stable employment.
* 2020-08-27 "Blanked-Out Spots On China's Maps Helped Us Uncover Xinjiang's Camps". Good technique.
* 2020-06-29 "China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization"
** 2021-01-07 Tweet from the "Chinese Embassy in US" verified account said "Study shows that in the process of eradicating extremism, the minds of Uygur women in Xinjiang were emancipated and gender equality and reproductive health were promoted, making them no longer baby-making machines", which could be interpreted as suggesting that birth control was one of the goals of the Xinjiang oppression. Some coverage:
*** comments that there is precedent to that in Peru's dictatorship:
In the 1990s about 350,000 people were sterilized in Peru under a program promoted by President Alberto Fujimori, who argued a lower birth rate was the key to eliminating poverty. "Peruvian women should be the owners of their destiny!" Fujimori said in a 1995 speech to congress. He presented his family-planning campaign as a step forward for feminism, and even got funding from the US Agency for International Development, USAid. Many of the women who were sterilized, however, came from poor indigenous backgrounds and were coerced or forced into the procedure.
* 2020-06-17 "Trump signs bill pressuring China over Uighur Muslim crackdown"
* 2019-12: "A Secret Look Inside a Chinese Labor Program for Uighurs | Visual Investigations" by "The New York Times" published on Dec 30, 2019. Description: "China is relocating Uighurs and other Muslim minorities to urban areas as part of a contentious labor program. The Times obtained rare footage taken inside one."
* 2919-12: Muslim German Turkish Arsenal player link:++[Mesut Özil] criticizes concentration camps on Twitter, and China stops broadcasting arsenal matches
** ([archive])
* 2019-11: "What happened to me" manga depicting Uighur torture hits 2.5m views
** ([archive])
* 2019-11 The Xinjiang Papers: leaked cables about Xinjiang internment camps policy, some reported by the New York Times and others by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, soure yet unknown.
** 2020-02-18 the "Karakax list" leaked spreadsheet contains detailed information on 331 citizens Karakax County in Xinjiang and sheds further insight on why certain people have been persecuted from <<human-rights-watch>>
** 2020-02: more leaks containing detailed records of several citizens:
* 2019-07-31 "Doubt Greets China's Claim That Muslims Have Been Released From Camps"
* 2019-07-19 "37 countries defend China over Xinjiang in UN letter"
* 2019-07-04 "China Muslims: Xinjiang schools used to separate children from families"
** from <<human-rights-watch>>
* 2019-05-07
* 2019-05-07 CNN does a few Xinjiang interviews and sends reporter to visit some of the concentration camps
* 2019-02-24
* 2019-02-17 "China data leak exposes vast hi-tech surveillance operation in Xinjiang", leak by SenseNets Technology.
* 2019-03 database of Xinjiang victims, with precise names, location, date of birth and ID card number of victims and testimonies
* 2018-12 In full: 'I begged them to kill me' - ex-Xinjiang detainee Mihrigul Tursun gives testimony in the US. Observers however rightly brought up the[Nayirah testimony].
* 2018-11 Xinjiang legalizes 're-education' camps
* 2018-08
* 2018-07 Sairagul Sawytbai testifies to the existence of Chinese concentration camps in Xinjiang
* 2018-05 generic report
* 2018-05 mapping internment camps with satellite imaging:
**新疆再教育集中营列表-99720372419c List of Re-education Camps in Xinjiang 新疆再教育集中营列表 Shawn Zhang
* 2018-05 Omir Bekali's account of Xinjiang education camps:
* 2017-04 "China Bans 'Muhammad' and 'Jihad' as Baby Names in Heavily Muslim Region".
Note that Muhammad is an incredibly popular name in Islamic countries, and thought to be the most popular name in the world with 150m people sharing it:
It is so prevalent, that it is often shortened to just "Md." and people are just called by their second name to reduce ambiguity:
* 2017-04
.Image of prisoners wearing blue sitting down in Kaifaqu internment camp (TODO Chinese) in[Lop county] (洛浦县[洛浦县]) on April 2017. The image shows some prisoners identified to indicate that they are not criminals but rather detained purely for political reasons, their name from left to right: Mamtimin, Aziz Haji Shangtang, Eli Ahun Qarim, and Abdulla Haret. A fifth and sixth ones were[identified in another report]. This image has become emblematic of the prison camps. Wikipedia cites as a source:[] which was down as of 2021-06. But that image has a semi cropped watermark, so it simply cannot be the original image. An image with the same watermark uncropped can be seen at:[] it reads "[<<wechat>> logo]新疆司法行政" (Xinjiang judicial administration) Freewechat from <<greatfire>> has a dump of some of their WeChat posts: but we could not find the one containing that image specifically, although the watermark is the same.[Source].

.Workers walking next to a prison-like security wall with concertina wire and barbed wire in the[Dabancheng] (达坂城区[达坂城区]) <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,re-education camp>> circa 2019.[Source].

.Security towers and inmate buildings of the[Artux city] (阿图什市[阿图什市]) <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,re-education camp>> circa 2018-12-03.[Source].

. ([GitHub 上传 upload]) 2021 video showing dozens of Uyghurs standing on a large court being brainwashed by a woman saying on a loudspeaker: <<core-socialist-values,社会主义核心价值观>>,一定维护民族团结 (<<core-socialist-values,Core socialist values>> definitely maintain ethnic harmony). The echo of the speaker on the background buildings is eery. UNCONFIRMED.[Source].

. ([GitHub 上传 upload]) <<tiktok>> video of a few dozen Uyghur chilren being marched on the street with large bags, presumably during a displacement. The adults organizing it are a laugh, presumably at something cute one of the children did. Video markings: "@MaD DaN", location: "伯干村" (Bogancun, a town in Xinjiang[according to Google Maps]), rolling banner TODO confirm, understand: "诗书达理之山人刨作原声". TODO identify Chinese music being sang on background, it is not clear if it is an edit or from the footage. The echo of the speaker on the background buildings is eery. UNCONFIRMED.[Source].

. Here is a trick to getting longer lashes by feroza.x (2019). In this <<tiktok>> video, American then 17-year old Feroza Aziz, alias feroza.x, starts what looks likea regular makeup video, but which soon turns out to be a[bait-and-switch] video drawing attention to the <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>. This is somewhat similar to a <<keyword-attack>> with its <<dual-use-technology>> approach.

On 2019-09-22 Drone footage of Xinjiang prisoner transfer surfaced. TODO confirm the location and that these are political prisoners rather than "normal criminals".

News coverage

* 2019-09-23 Footage shows hundreds of blindfolded and shackled prisoners in China
* <<reddit>>:

. 2019 Drone footage of Xinjiang prisoner transfer. The prisoners are blindfolded and shackled. On the HUD of the footage we can see "dji", which was a[popular drone manufacturer of the period].

.Video still of 2019-09-23 drone footage of blindfolded Xinjiang prisoners being marched taken at time 00:30.[Source].

====== Xinjiang Data Project (新疆数据项目)


By the[Australian Strategic Policy Institute], funded by the Australian government, which also published Also includes the <<uyghurs-for-sale,Uyghurs for sale>> report.

.Screenshot of the interactive map of the <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>> by the <<xinjiang-data-project>>.[Source].

====== Xinjiang model camps for foreign media (新疆外媒示范营)

Starting in 2019, China officially invited foreign journalists to some of their model camps to show how happy people were.

It is hard to understand why they did this, as it just made everything worse for them, because everything was so obviously fake, and it actually allowed glimpses in some of the horrors.

Online commentators have compared such camps to:

* <<nazi,Nazi>> model concentration camps which foreign people were invided to see, e.g.[commented by the BBC itsef]
**[Theresienstadt Ghetto] had a Red Cross visit in 1944
**[Sonnenburg concentration camp]
*[Potemkin village]

. "Inside China's 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News" 2019-06-18. Accompagning article:[]. China gives BBC "access" to a chosen show camp where everyone claims they are happy and willing to stay. They are however clearly adults being treated like children, taking courses and even having to sing and dance for the camera.[486s] is also golden, when the CCP officer Zhang Zhisheng explains how they are <<thoughtcrime,just preventing future crime from happening>>. How can they be so stupid? How can they not see that this is not what the West wants to hear? Amazing dark-comedy like stuff.

.Man wearing traditional Xinjiang clothing and playing a traditional instrument inside a classroom setting inside a prison camp, as the CCP tries to show the world that they are happy and their culture is being respected, and only makes things worse. The man also shows on the video at:[] made by the BBC when they got supervised access to the camps to film, nearby segment uploaded at:[].[Source].

====== Forced displacement of Uyghurs across China (2020, 维吾尔人被迫流离失所)

Many videos were published on <<tiktok>>, 2020-07-09 "Revealed: New videos expose China’s forced migration of Uyghurs during the pandemic" has compilations of the most well known videos, with direct MP4 uploads that are easy to download.

<<github>> re-uploads at:

.Advertisement published by Qingdao Decai Decoration Co. claiming to supply government-sponsored Uyghur workers from Xinjiang to other provinces. Source of translation:["Uyghurs for sale" report]. Original website archive from 16 Jan 2020:[]. The ad features a caricature of two dancing Uyghurs in traditional clothing. This is evidence of the CCP's mass forced eviction and slavery of Uyghurs. Another report at 2021-04-16 "Batches of 50 to 100 Uighur workers are being advertised on the Chinese internet" suggests that a <<baidu>> search for "劳务派遣" leads to incriminating ads, but which they fail to translate. Report lead: <<vicky-xu>>.

.Uyghur workers at Qingdao Taekwang Shoe Manufacturing Co. Ltd (青岛泰光制鞋有限公司) in Laixi, <<shandong,Shandong>> (莱西市, <<shandong,山东>>) waving the Chinese flag, October 2019. Viewable on the pro-CCP China Ethnic Religion Net (中国民族宗教网) website:[], and also shown in the["Uyghurs for sale" report]. Company address:[山东省青岛市莱西市李权庄镇工业园区泰光路71号].

. "New footage shows Uyghurs bussed across China for forced labour in factories". At the given timestamp, contains 30 seconds of footage extracted from 3 social media posts showing Uyghurs being sent in busses to work in far way regions.

. New footage shows Uyghurs bussed across China for forced labour in factories by Channel 4 News (2020) contains one of the many edits made with a[bella ciao] (啊朋友再见[啊朋友再见]) background, Chinese version showing uyghurs being sent in busses to work in far away locations in China. The music fits perfectly, literal translation of the Chinese version is "Ah, friend, goodbie".

====== Merdan Ghappar's Xinjiang prison video (2020, 麥爾丹·阿巴的新疆监狱视频)

GitHub 上传 upload:


Original report by the <<bbc>>:


Self made video shows the ex-model chained to a bed in a camp. Text messages give further details.

Text messages and translation: is a playlist with dozens of videos of him being cute while modelling. Appears to be mostly a <<tiktok,Douyin>> dump mostly. is particularly good.

. Merdan Ghappar's video footage, terrible screen capture from the BBC original, but can't find a better one.

. Rare footage of former model held for “re-education” in China’s detention system - BBC News (2020) Reportage with more context, including previous modeling work. They're incapable of adding the name "Merdan Ghappar" to the title or description however, what newbs.

====== Xinjiang cotton (新疆棉花, 2021)

Reports surfaced that <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>> people were being used to pick cotton, and boycotts followed.

Companies that boycotted, subset of <<western-companies-that-stood-up-against-the-ccp>>:

* 2021-03-25 "Nike, H&M face China fury over Xinjiang cotton 'concerns'", see also: <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>.

Companies that supported:

* 2021-03-26 ""Hugo Boss tells Chinese customers it will continue to purchase Xinjiang cotton, months after telling US news outlet it has never used it". People[immediately commented] that Hugo Boss was the company who made <<nazi>> uniforms.
Here's a link to the <<weibo>> mentioned: archive:
Original text:
Hugo Boss秉持着对生产制造高品质产品的坚持,使用来自世界各地,包括原材料源自中国各大产区的面料。多年来,我们一直尊重一个中国原则,坚决捍卫国家主权和领土完整。我们与许多优秀的中国企业建立了长期合作,并将继续保持。新疆长绒棉是世界上最好的棉花之一,我们相信优质的原料一定会实现价值。我们将会继续采购和支持新疆棉花。
and the Google translate:
Hugo Boss adheres to the insistence on manufacturing high-quality products, using fabrics from all over the world, including raw materials from major producing areas in China. Over the years, we have always respected the one-China principle and resolutely defended national sovereignty and territorial integrity. We have established long-term cooperation with many outstanding Chinese companies and will continue to maintain them. Xinjiang long-staple cotton is one of the best cotton in the world, and we believe that high-quality raw materials will surely realize value. We will continue to purchase and support Xinjiang cotton.
Statement on Hugo Boss' website in English saying that they are ethical: ([archive])


* 2020-12-14 reports that Uyghurs are being forced to work on the cotton industry emmerge:
** "Coercive Labor in Xinjiang: Labor Transfer and the Mobilization of Ethnic Minorities to Pick Cotton"
** "China's 'tainted' cotton"

<<blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin,"Blood Cotton Initiative" by wuheqilin>> is a <<holocaust-denial>> cartoon claiming it is all lies.

.Side-by-side comparison of black american slaves from 1908 and <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,happy Xinjiang workers>> working in cotton collection. This was posted by the verified account of Chinese government official Hua Chunying (华春莹) on Twitter:[], archives: and[]. Pure beauty. Does she have a brain? The images read: "The cotton planter and his pickers, H. Tees, West Point, Miss[ssisipy]",[source], and "Uighus people picking cotton in Xinjiang China". <<holocaust-denial>>, here we go.

====== Why don't many Islamic countries speak up for the Uyghur persecution? (为什么很多伊斯兰国家不反对维吾尔族迫害?)

Either because those countries:

* are also dictatorships and completely corrupt to the brim
* or because Muslim schisms make them hate split groups even more than they hate other religions doe to the[uncanny valley effect]


* "The Long Shadow of Xinjiang"


* 2021-05-15 "Beijing-backed Drawing Contest in Turkey Backfires as Students Submit Depictions of Xinjiang Abuses" by <<rfa>>
* 2021-04-08 "Chinese wolf-warriors meet their match in Turkey with municipal trench at embassy gate" after
Turkey's nationalist opposition has responded to a belligerent attitude from Beijing with workers from the Ankara Metropolitan Municipality digging a giant hole outside the Chinese Embassy in Ankara after the ambassador threatened the city’s mayor and an opposition leader with action over their tweets commemorating the victims of China’s violent crackdown on Uyghurs
* 2020-11-23 "Uighur scholar arrested in Saudi Arabia at risk of deportation to China", "Activists and human rights advocates have raised concerns that Aimadoula Waili may be tortured in a ‘re-education' camp if sent back to China"
* 2020-10-01 "Uighurs in Exile: Arrested and deported back to China – BBC Newsnight", "Newsnight has found that Uighur people in the Middle East have been targeted by nations including Saudi Arabia"
* 2020-07-11: "Defying U.S., China and Iran Near Trade and Military Partnership"
* 2018: vice-president[Jusuf Kalla] said "we don't want to intervene in the domestic affairs of another country":
* even the Jews are speaking lowder in some cases

.<<rebel-pepper>> 2019-07 cartoon showing <<xi-jinping>> claiming to have won the global opinion on the Xinjiang re-education camps because all other dictatorships support him, including <<other-islam-countries-speak-up-for-uyghur,Islamic dictatorships>>.[Source].

. <<pakistan>> Prime Minister[Imran Khan] refuses to acknowledge <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,Muslim Uyghur oppression in Xinjiang>> during interview, cites Chinese money by HBO (2021). Correctly mentions <<israel>> in his defense.

====== Holocaust denial (犹太人大屠杀否定论)


Once again, <<nazi>>.

.Holocaust denial cartoon by far-right cartoonistçoise_Pichard[Françoise Pichard] was a runner-up the <<iran,Iranian>>[International Holocaust Cartoon Competition] of 2006, which obviously aimed at discrediting Israel. The cartoon shows two[Hasidic Judaism][Hasidic jews] and reads in French: "Qui l'a mis par terre? Faurisson. Myth des chambres a gaz" which can be translated as: "Who put it down? Faurisson. Myth of the[gas chambers] (毒气室[毒气室])". Farisson is a reference to famous French holocaust denier[Robert Faurisson]. The <<ccp>> is doing the same as of 2020 in <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,Xinjiang>>, e.g. through works such as <<blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin,"Blood Cotton Initiative" by wuheqilin>>.[Source].

.Holocaust denial cartoon suggesting that the Holocaust killed much less than Israel did during the Palestinian conflict TODO confirm artist, source image address suggests Moroccan[Naji Benaji]. Palestine is <<evil-west,a tragedy>>, also mentioned at <<israel>>, but trying to justify its horrors by comparing it to the horrors of other countries. We must recognize and fight against injustices of all countries. One injustice cannot justify the other.[Source].

.Blood Cotton Initiative by <wuheqilin>>. This pro-<<ccp>> propaganda work suggests that the <<xinjiang-cotton>> is a fabrication of <<evil-west,Evil West>>. It depicts Americans as wearing[Ku Klux Klan] in an usual CCP reminder that <<racist-west>>. It is basically a <<holocaust-denial>> cartoon.[Source].

.Side-by-side comparison of <<blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin,"Blood Cotton Initiative" by wuheqilin>> and the <<holocaust-denial-palestine,Palestine vs Israel holocaust denial cartoon>>.

==== Inner mongolia (内蒙古)

* 2020-08-31 "China 'Will End' Mongolian-Language Education Starting This Semester: Reports"
** 2020-09-04 "Southern Mongolia turns to police state as full-blown cultural genocide unfolds" contains images of arrest orders and the like
* 2011 Inner Mongolia unrest

==== Tibet (西藏)

Events linked to reducing the teaching of the Tibetan language in schools and replacing it with Mandarin:

* 2020-04
* 2010

===== Tibet "re-education" camps (2020)

2020-09-22 the <<jamestown-foundation>> reported that <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>-style camps were started to be built in <<tibet>>: and were housing half a million people.

===== 2008 Tibetan unrest (2008年西藏骚乱)


Good gory photos from the event: ([archive])

. "Hundreds of Tibetan protesters clash with police after anti-China protest" published by AP Archive.

===== 1987-1989 Tibetan unrest (1989年拉萨骚乱)


. "Troops stormed the Tibetan holy site the Jokhang Temple and beat monks"

. "Latest Spate Of Violent Unrest In Lhasa And The Imposition Of Martial Law" by AP Archive

==== Hong Kong (香港)

News source: Became larger than `r/china` during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>.

There is only one solution to Hong Kong's problem:

* give inhabitants people easy VISAs to leave China, with priority to the rich/educated ones. Give them free language courses on the country of arrival, and help them find jobs
* treat Hong Kong exactly like any other part of China, removing any special commercial treaty with the reagion, which it has enjoyed for many years

These have started happening seriously in response to the <<hong-kong-national-security-law>>.

Hong Kong related posts at:


* Hong Kong-Mainland China conflict
* <<hong-kong-dissidents>>
* <<lihkg>>

===== Hong Kong 97 SNES video game


1995 video game realistically depicts the fight of Hong Kong against the Communist Party predicted to happen[at the handover], featuring Bruce Lee (often represented as <<entertainers-who-support-the-ccp,Jackie Chan>>) who returned from the grave to join the fight and kick <<jiang-zemin,Jiang Zemin's>> ass.

The dead body from the game over screen was taken from a still from a video of the[1992 Bosnian War]:

The track is a sample of the["I Love Beijing Tiananmen" (我爱北京天安门)] Cultural Revolution song that was popular before <<tiananmen>> and later became an ironic protest song:

我爱北京天安门 +

which means:

I love Beijing Tiananmen Square +
The sun rises over the Tiananmen

Full song:

.Cover of the Hong Kong 97.[Source].

. The venerable[Angry Video Game Nerd] made a review of Hong Kong 97.

===== 2014 Hong Kong protests (Umbrella movement, 雨伞运动占领区)


.A common logo used in the Umbrella movement, depicting an stylized umbrella with yellow background.[Source].

.Sea of seated protesters during the <<hong-kong-protests-2014>> gathering at the,_Hong_Kong[Admiralty] (金鐘[金鐘]) on 2014-10-10.[Source].

===== Hong Kong National Security Law (香港国安法, 2020)



* 2020-01-06 "Hong Kong police round up dozens of pro-democracy politicians"
* 2020-11-12 "Hong Kong pro-democracy lawmakers resign after China ruling"
* 2020-08-30 "Chinese Police Arrest Hong Kong Activist Andy Li (李宇轩), 11 Others, for Attempting to Flee to Taiwan"
** 2021-01-4 "Mainland Chinese lawyer who helped one of the Hong Kong fugitives in Shenzhen threatened with loss of licence"
* 2020-08-22 they are already trying to remove sensitive materials from history textbooks
** 2020-08-21 "香港通識科課本大幅度修改涉政治取向內容引發爭議" appears to give more concrete details. An English infographic at:
* 2020-08-10[] "Hong Kong Media Tycoon Arrested in Latest Blow to Democracy Camp"
<<jimmy-lai>> is the founder of <<apple-daily>>, the flagship newspaper under Next Digital and the biggest pro-democracy paper in Hong Kong, reported that nearly 200 officers were entering their offices.
Other notable arrests:
** <<agnes-chow>>
The CCP is not even pretending anymore.
2020-08-12:[]: they were released on bail
* 2020-08-30 "Four Hong Kong student activists arrested for 'secession' over social media posts": the arrests against online freedom of speech begin gives the names, all are abroad it seems:
Police in Hong Kong are seeking the arrest of six pro-democracy activists living in exile in Western countries, including the UK, media reports say.

The group reportedly includes former UK consulate worker Simon Cheng, well-known activist Nathan Law and US citizen Samuel Chu.
* 2020-07-08 "China converts Hong Kong hotel into new national security office"
The name of the hotel is Metropark Hotel (維景酒店), address: 148 Tung Lo Wan Rd, Causeway Bay, Hong Kong:
Using hotels as a base of operations is of coures common in occupied regions, see e.g.:
**[The Peninsula Paris] (previously Hotel Majestique), which was used by the <<nazi,Gestapo>> and figures in the movie[Army of the Shadows (1969)]. An important quote from that movie when a prisoner of the Nazis dies, his friend says:
All debts will be paid. +
Toutes les dettes se paieront.
* 2020-06-29 "Statement from U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross on Revocation of Hong Kong Special Status"
With the Chinese Communist Party's imposition of new security measures on Hong Kong, the risk that sensitive U.S. technology will be diverted to the People's Liberation Army or <<ministry-of-state-security,Ministry of State Security>> has increased, all while undermining the territory's autonomy. Those are risks the U.S. refuses to accept and have resulted in the revocation of Hong Kong's special status.
* 2020-06-03 "Boris Johnson lays out visa offer to nearly 3m Hong Kong citizens"
* 2020-05-29 "UK could offer 'path to citizenship' for Hong Kong's British passport holders"
* 2020-05-24


* Blocked on early 2021 in Hong Kong:

.Over 100 police officers raid the <<apple-daily>> Hong Kong newspaper soon after the <<hong-kong-national-security-law>> started. A[Chinese source].[Source].

====== Hong kong national security department hotline

2020-11-06 "Hong Kong: Snitch hotline gets more than 1,000 calls"

An official source: ([archive]).

The contacts:

* <<wechat>> id: NSD62717171
* SMS: 62717171
* Email:

Related: <<cac-report-website>>


* on <<reddit>>
* on <<lihkg>>

===== 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests

* "Last Hong Kong governor Chris Patten: Gov't defense of extradition bill 'absolute nonsense'", Hong Kong Free Press
* <<blitzchung>>


* Glory to Hong Kong

. Hong Kong Yoga - Sammy J S2 (ep31) published by ABC Comedy on 2019-09-19. Very good.

====== Do Not Split (不割席, 2020)


====== LeBron James opposes Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests (2019)


NBA is huge in China.

On 2019-10-05 (Friday) 7:41PM Daryl Morey, NBA's Houston Rockets manager sent a tweet with an image that read:

Fight for Freedom. Stand with Hong Kong.


Then Daryl was a coward, removed this tweet, and apologized on 2019-10-07 (Monday) 1:18 AM ([archive]), so by then it was already deleted.

I did not intend my tweet to cause any offense to Rockets fans and friends of mine in China

Then TODO date the uberstar[LeBron James] (not a Houston Rockets player), a big supporter of black rights in the US, criticized this.[LeBron's words]:

I don't want to get into a word or sentence feud with Daryl Morey, but I believe he wasn't educated on the situation

Related video of LeBron saying similar things on interview (TODO same?): 2019-10-15 "LeBron addresses Daryl Morey's tweet and Lakers' trip to China | NBA on ESPN"

Led to: <<sport-event-live-broadcast-image-attacks>>.

* 2019-10-15 "LeBron: Rockets' Morey 'wasn't educated' on China tweet"
* 2019-10-07 (Monday) "Rockets' general manager's Hong Kong comments anger China"
* 2019-10-07 Lakers vs. Heat NBA <<tencent>> Live Stream cancelled due to fan wearing the <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> flag
.Fan wearing Taiwan flag in 2019-10-07 Lakers vs. Heat showing fan and text (TODO from <<tencent>>?) saying that the match will be cancelled.[Source].

Some good LeBron cartoons:

* <<rebel-pepper>> 2019-10-15 "You are the king"

."Kneeling" by[Adam Zyglis] (2019) compares the NFL's[Colin Kaepernick] (科林·卡佩尼克[科林·卡佩尼克]), who kneeled during the playing of the U.S. national anthem during the 2016 season to protest against social injustice, vs NBA's LeBron James, who instead supports China's <<dictatorship,dictatorship unconditionally>>.[Source].

.In 2020-10-04 American billboard company[Outfront Media] refused to post this ad by the[NLPC conservative think tank] critical of LeBron James' stand on Hong Kong. The ad shows the NBA superstar with a Chinese flag covering his mouth and the message "Silence is Violence." and URL[]. <<to-obey-is-to-betray,To obey is to betray>> comes to mind.[Source].

=== What should all pro-democracy people do about China? (所有的民主派人士应该干什么?)

A propaganda slogan from a[French Resistance] (法國抵抗運動[法国抵抗运动]) flyer (see also <<nazi>>):

To obey is to betray. +
To disobey is to serve.

服从就是背叛 +

Obéir c'est trahir. +
Désobéir c'est servir.

.To obey is to betray. To disobey is to server ("Obéir c'est trahir. Désobéir c'est servir" in French) flyer featuring the[cross of Lorraine] (洛林十字[洛林十字]). <<snowden>> comes to mind.éir_cest_trahir_Désobéir_cest_servir/1314227[Source].

==== Civil disobedience (公民不服從)


===== Lie Flat movement (躺平主义)

The movement notably contradicts one of the <<core-socialist-values>>: dedication (敬业).


Good cat lying down meme:

==== Photobombing-like attacks

Explicitly forbidden in China by the law: <<real-username-law>>.

See also: <<keyword-attack>>.

===== Appropriation attack

An appropriation attack is one where the attackers attempt to associate an existing symbol to their cause.

For example during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> attackers attempted to use this technique to associate a generic[Chinese Chun-Li-like] character Mei from Blizzard's link:++[Overwatch game] to try and get it blocked in China after the gaming company punished a pro gamer for defending the Hong Kong protests. Coverage ([archive]).

.Mei from Blizzard's Overwatch was used in an attempted <<appropriation-attack>> during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>.[Source].

===== Sport event live broadcast image attacks

NBA in particular is super popular in China, and people sitting at the front row can easily bomb emissions due to the small court size:

* China's <<tencent>> halts NBA live broadcast over <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> flag

Started in particular due to the <<lebron-james-opposes-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests-2019>>

==== What should Western countries do about China?

Force all their Western servers to accept <<ensi>> connections only: <<ensi>>.

Western governments must reciprocate unfair Chinese practices:

Companies only care about money and have no long term view, the following must be imposed by governments on Western companies.

Serious sanctions must be pot on companies that sell sensitive things to dictatorships:

* <<western-companies-that-sell-censorship-technology-to-dictatorships,censorship or anti-privacy software>>

Related approaches taken by the CCP that should also be stopped dead by strict enforcement of the[Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA)]:

* <<chinese-interference-in-western-media>>, notably <<china-watch>>, must
* <<ccp-apologists>>

Physical presence influence must be completely blocked, e.g. cultural centers that report directly to the CCP such as <<confucius-institute>> and <<cssa>> must be banned.

News about Chinese state media using Western social media:

* 2016 "China's propaganda news outlets are absolutely crushing it on Facebook"

Accounts that are not labelled as being from the Chinese government, but which support the CCP, must be investigated to determine if they are actually funded by the Chinese government.

TODO what to do with websites of: <<chinese-government-media>>? Blocking them has the downsides that:

* it would be harder to monitor what crazy shit the commies are doing
* those censorship mechanisms could be reused to block good websites by Western governments that are becoming Evil

Let's just leave them up to start with, who gives a fuck about them? :-) If they are getting too many page views, we can make search engines add the disclaimer too.

Chinese social media such as <<wechat>> and <<tiktok>> must be banned. This is less serious than regular websites, because you can always repost on Western social media but without getting spied on:

* 2020-08-07 "Trump executive order seeks to ban <<tiktok,TikTok>>, <<wechat>> 'transactions' in 45 days"

Whenever China kicks out a western journalist who is in China and reports there, the Western country must do the same and kick out a Chinese journalists for a Chinese media.

An upside of restricting Chinese servies is that it would hugely bolster <<censorship-circumvention>> technologies, as every Chinese expat would need to buy a VPN.


Western governments must identify raw material dependencies on China, and reduce them, while at the same time forbidding technology transfer to China. China has been trading cheap resources for technology, and we must stop that now.

Unfair Chinese commercial practices must be reciprocated. Chinese companies should be forced to open joint ventures to operate outside of China, which is a trick China uses to control profits and more easily steal IP from Western companies:

* ([archive])
* ([archive])

Sanctions must be imposed directly on Chinese officials. They must not be allowed to "escape to a better life or have investments in the West":

* 2020-08-08 "Hong Kong: US imposes sanctions on chief executive Carrie Lam"

.<<rebel-pepper>> 2016-09-07 cartoon entitled "宽衣<<xi-jinping-memes,撒币>>" depicting <<xi-jinping>> as a[pole dancer] and throwing money at other world leaders during the[2016 G20 Hangzhou summit] is a reference to how China buys political influence in other countries by promising profitable trade deals with those countries.[Source].

===== Mark government controlled social media

All posts of all state-sponsored social media accounts must be clearly marked as such.

This should be done not only for China, but of all countries, including Western democracies.

Even better, they should add funny censored images on top of those that are from dictatorship countries.

Furthermore, marked media from dictatorships must be forbidden to both monetize and pay to promote its content.

Any outlets that do not announce themselves as state sponsored but are, must be banned forever when they are found out.

What to do about personal accounts is much harder to decide however, and especially so in the case of <<ccp-apologists>>, where they might really not be state sponsored, and the creator's nationality won't help make the decision either.

Some websites have started marking such accounts, which is a great start.

* YouTube in 2018:
* Facebook in 2020:
* Twitter in 2020:
** report
** example from <<peoples-daily>> marked as "China state-affiliated media" and links to

Reports of Chinese influence on social media:

* 2020-06 Twitter has also implicated in receiving advertising money from <<china-daily>>, see also: <<china-watch>>
** 2020-06-12
** 2020-06-12 "Twitter deletes 170,000 accounts linked to China influence campaign"
** The Chinese government later contested this decision:
* 2020-04-07 "China's Been Flooding Facebook With Shady Ads Blaming Trump for the Coronavirus Crisis"

===== China spy stories

Do not underestimate the CCP and its control over every Chinese companies and people. Every Chinese company and person is a potential spy.

This is <<evil-west,true for all countries however>>, and <<ciro-santilli>> does not not reproach China specifically for its secret service, e.g. <<snowden>> used[Dell] as an NSA front-end.

The point is just that the West should not underestimate this menace that comes from a <<dictatorship>>.

For university espionage in particular see: <<university-espionage>>.

Some Chinese spy stories:

* 2020-03-20 Tarmo Kõuts from Estonia
** "Court sentences Estonian marine scientist to prison for spying for China"
* 2020-12-25 "Detention of 10 Chinese spies in Afghanistan leaves Beijing red-faced" TODO better source.
* 2020-12-09 Christine Fang "Exclusive: Suspected Chinese spy targeted California politicians". In 2015, she was fucking some politicians and infiltrating parties, but as suspicions arose, Beijing likely called her back.
* 2020-09-21 Baimadajie Angwang
** "New York City police officer spied on fellow Tibetans for China, prosecutors charge"
* 2020-08-21 "I worked for the Chinese State Department – 中公教育党委 – offcn CCP Committee" more info at <<aaron-dewitt>>
* 2019-01-15 Kevin Mallory
** 2019-01-15 "Kevin Mallory: The churchgoing patriot who spied for China"
Good profile. He was first approached via LinkedIn. As a related case, Jun Wei Yeo was arrested as LinkedIn spy recruiter in 2020:
And those stupid Chines handlers gave him a phone that was supposed to be encrypted, but it crashed and then rebooted unencrypted, right when the FBI agents were around.
But after the 2008 real estate crash, his fortunes changed. His house plummeted in value, and later he lost his job.
** 2019-04-04 "How a $230,000 debt and a LinkedIn message led an ex-CIA officer to spy for China"
Good profile, gives important points: he was 230k in debt, and "Mallory began reaching out to former CIA colleagues in an apparent effort to pump them for information. The ex-colleagues grew suspicious and contacted the CIA, prosecutors say."
** 2019-05-18 "Kevin Mallory: Ex-CIA agent jailed for spying for China".
The article also contains a good summary section "CIA spy operation in China: Key dates".
* 2019-11: Wang Liqiang spy defection to Australia
* 2019-11: Jerry Chun Shing Lee, naturalized American, convicted for being double agent while working at CIA after being in custody for 2 years
* 2018-06-05 Ron Rockwell Hansen

====== 2010 dismantling of CIA's network in China


Around2010-2012 about 20 CIA spies in China were killed. One was shot right in the courtyard of a government building as a message to others.

After identifying some of the websites, possibly with a double agent, Iran was able to reach the rest through Google searches for similar sites.

The trouble started in when the CIA was investigating nuclear weapons in Iran in 2009.

The fact that China soon followed could indicate that Iran sold the secret to China.

TODO do we have any such sample websites or screenshots of them? mentions that:

A 2011 Iranian television broadcast that touted the government's destruction of the CIA network said U.S. intelligence operatives had created websites for fake companies to recruit agents in Iran by promising them jobs, visas and education abroad. Iranians who initially thought they were responding to legitimate opportunities would end up meeting with CIA officers in places like Dubai or Istanbul for recruitment, according to the broadcast.

therefore the websites might not have been in English.

TODO find that broadcast. News broke 2019-06-22[] apparently:
* "US calls for Iran to free alleged CIA spy" by euronews (in English) (2011-12-20) shows a forced confession on state television by[]. He claims to have been tortured with forced drug withdrawal. Given that Iran is in the[Golden Crescent], Ciro would guess they gave him heroin, see also[] "Opium in Iran is widely available, and the country was thought to have the highest per capita number of opiate addicts in the world[1][2] at a rate of 2.8% of Iranians over age 15."

Iran claims to have captured spies working for CIA

* 2017-05-20 "China killed CIA sources, hobbled U.S. spying from 2010 to 2012: NYT"
* 2018-10-02 "The CIA's communications suffered a catastrophic compromise. It started in Iran."

====== Ministry of State Security (MSS, Guoanbu, 国安部)

* link:++

The Chinese <<snowden,counterintelligence>> organ.

Report website launched in 2018[], some coverage:


====== People's Liberation Army (PLA, 中国人民解放军)


The Chinese army, and also one of the central intelligence agencies, notably on cyberattacks.

.A Chinese soldier smashes bricks on a colleague's head during joint Chinese-<<india>> anti-terrorism exercises in Kunming in 2007. from <<sina>> give the Chinese term "油锤贯顶".[Source].[Better source with worse image quality].

===== The West must ban the Chinese telecommunications software and hardware

They are an entry point to spying, censorship and <<fake-news>>. Notable companies that should be banned:

* <<huawei>>
* <<tiktok>>
* <<zoom>>
* <<alibaba>>


* 2020-02 U.S. imposes new rules on state-owned Chinese media over propaganda concerns, the companies are: Xinhua News Agency, China Global Television Network, China Radio International, China Daily Distribution Corp. and Hai Tian Development USA, Inc. See also: <<chinese-government-media>>.
** 2020-04-03 'Zoom's encryption is "not suited for secrets" and has surprising links to china, researchers discover"

===== What should Western media do about China?

When you report something about a person, for fuck's sake include the person's name in the title of the article, at the very least the pinyin.

Then, in the body, also add the corresponding Chinese characters on the first mention. This is how you do it: "San Xihou (三西猴)"

Yes, Chinese people also have names. And yes, pinyin has infinitely more homonyms than characters.

In the body of the article, notably in photos, include the exact location of the event if applicable.

City at the very least, but if recognizable, where withing the city.

Yes, China is big! There are many different places in China.

==== Western companies that comply with Chinese censorship requests

Western governments should prevent companies from complying to Chinese censorship requests, or at least impose fines and sanctions on them.

Citizens should boycott such companies and require them to be punished.

See also: <<western-companies-that-sell-censorship-technology-to-dictatorships>>

Some hell known companies and events:

* 2020 <<hololive>>
* 2020 Outfront Media, see: <<lebron-james-opposes-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests-2019>>
** 2020-06's_Security_Law_for_Hong_Kong_(2020)[Support for China's Security Law for Hong Kong (2020)]
*[Bloomberg L.P.]
** 2020-02 "When Bloomberg News's Reporting on China Was Challenged, Bloomberg Tried to Ruin Me for Speaking Out"
* 2019-12 Shutterstock implements censorship for searches from China
* JPMorgan
** 2016-11 "Sons and Daughters" corruption hiring program for chidren of government officials:

.2019 summary of companies that kowtow to China.[Source].

.<<rebel-pepper>> 2019-10 carton showing several brands kowtowing to <<xi-jinping>>, while South Park alone gives the middle finger.[Source].

.<<rebel-pepper>> 2017-07 showing <<xi-jinping>> eating an Apple Inc. logo referring to the many events where Apple gave in to Chinese demands to have access to the Chinese market.[Source].

.[Stephen Colbert] comments in 2015 on how American films make a good image of China to be allowed in China by censors to increase sales.

===== Apple


* App Store monitoring by <<greatfire>>, source:


* 2021-06-08 Apple’s new encrypted browsing feature won’t be available in China, Saudi Arabia and more: report
* 2020-03-01 "China Roundup: Apple closes a 4-year-old App Store loophole"
* 2020-02-25
* 2019-04-12 "Lawmakers lash out at Apple for censoring a song about <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square protests>>"
.Chinese flag with Apple characteristics.[Source].

===== LinkedIn

They have a <<anonymous-accounts-ban>> policy:

* you have to use your real name
* you have to use your real photo

Extremelly dictatorial, we should test other approaches, e.g. background image, and <<copypasta>> on about.

* 2021-03-11 "LinkedIn suspends new sign-ups in China":
We're a global platform with an obligation to respect the laws that apply to us, including adhering to Chinese government regulations for our localized version of LinkedIn in China," LinkedIn added. The company declined to elaborate on which local law it was examining.
* 2019-01-04 "LinkedIn reverses course after censoring Chinese profile page of US-based human rights activist Zhou Fengsuo", see also: <<zhou-fengsuo>>
* 2014-06-04 "LinkedIn draws fire for China censorship" mentions: "Some LinkedIn (LNKD) users have received emails from the company in recent days informing them that their posts will not be shown in mainland China."

3 days after <<ciro-santilli>> put up anti-CCP messages on his LinkedIn, the account was banned in China, with a message under[]:
Hi Ciro,

Your LinkedIn profile is an integral part of how you present your professional self to the world. That's why we believe it's important to inform you that due to the presence of prohibited content located in the headline, background image and volunteer experience sections of your LinkedIn profile, your profile and your public activity, such as your comments and items you share with your network, will not be made viewable in China. Your profile and activity continues to remain viewable throughout the rest of the countries in which LinkedIn is available. We will work with you to minimize the impact and can review your profile’s accessibility within China if you update the headline, background image and volunteer experience sections of your profile. But the decision whether to update your profile is yours.

In February 2014, we began offering a localized version of LinkedIn in China. We believe that people everywhere can benefit from Chinese individuals connecting with each other and LinkedIn members in other parts of the world, and that the creation of economic opportunity can have a profound impact on their lives and the lives of their families and communities.

While we strongly support freedom of expression, we recognized when we launched that we would need to adhere to the requirements of the Chinese government in order to operate in China. As a reminder, your profile will remain viewable throughout the rest of the countries in which LinkedIn is available.

If you have any questions, please contact Customer Service.


LinkedIn Support Team

.3 days after <<ciro-santilli>> put up anti-CCP messages on his LinkedIn, the account was banned in China. They are quite efficient. <<zhou-fengsuo>> had notably[previously achieved this]. Another report by a[Peter Humphrey].

===== Chinese interference in Western media

This lists links between owners of several US media outlets and China:[] "A Rundown Of Major U.S. Corporate Media’s Business Ties To China". No direct evidence that this has affected the news however.


* 2021 Cinitalia <<china-radio-international>> offsohot publushing propaganda add-ons on the Italian newspaper[Il Giornale]
** Sample article: 2021-05-09 "Il report europeo che confuta il genocidio nello Xinjiang" (The European report that refutes the genocide in Xinjiang) about <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>.

====== China watch (2011-)

Campaign by <<china-daily>> to add paid articles/ads that read like news in/distributed with Western newspapers. They appeared to be marked as China watch ads, but still, they should be crushed.

* 2020-06:[Washington Post],[Wall Street Journal] and others figure on official fillings of newspapers paid by China Daily:[].
+ summarizes:
As per the documents filed by China Daily with the Justice Department, the Communist party mouthpiece had paid over $6 million to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ), $4.6 million to the Washington Post, $2,40,000 to Foreign Policy, $50,000 to the New York Times, $34,600 to The Des Moines Register and $76,000 to CQ-Roll Call.

Besides, spending $11 million in advertising on prominent US papers, China Daily shelled out an additional $7.6 million to The Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, The Seattle Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Houston Chronicle, and The Boston Globe for printing copies of its own paper. For instance, the Los Angeles Times reportedly received $657,523 for printing services. The Communist party-mouthpiece had also spent $2,65,822 on advertising on Twitter.
The Washington Post is the one that had received the most attention earlier on since 2011:
** "Official Chinese Propaganda: Now Online from the WaPo!"
They even had online distribution channel: It is[dead as of 2020-07], but[was alive in 2018]
*[Daily Telegraph]: UK Daily Telegraph stops publishing section paid for by China[piece of shit] tabloid, it comes as no surprise that they would sell out to any dictatorship
2020-04-14 "Daily Telegraph stops publishing section paid for by China"

China Daily itself claims certain partnerships: <<china-daily>>[]:

China Daily has also developed diversified cooperation with over 40 media organizations around the world, including The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Telegraph, the Guardian, etc.

===== bandinchina GitHub repository

Contains a "List of companies who have apologized to the Chinese government and implemented censorship requests".

It only lists companies that implemented censorship outside of China however (with Hong Kong, <<taiwan,Taiwan>> and Macau defined as outside of China), therefore it is basically a Taiwan flag takedown + Hong Kong / Taiwan censorship list:


Other interesting GitHub repositories: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>.

===== Western companies that stood up against the CCP

See also:

* <<xinjiang-cotton>>

====== Western companies that supported the CCP

See also:

* <<western-companies-that-comply-with-chinese-censorship-requests>>
* <<western-companies-that-sell-censorship-technology-to-dictatorships>>
* <<xinjiang-cotton>>

===== Entertainers who support the CCP


* 2021-05-25[] for <<one-china-policy>>
** about
** Apology video with English subtitles. YouTube reupload:
* <<lebron-james-opposes-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests-2019>>

Chinese who are famous in the West:

*[Jackie Chan 陳港生] even though he is born in Hong Kong
** spoke against the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>
*[Liu Yifei 刘亦菲] who starred in the[Mulan 2020] Disney movie. To make matters more fun, some scenes were shot in <<xinjiang>>:
** opposed the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>, notably saying "What a shame for Hong Kong". The <<chinese-government-media,People's Daily>> later quoted her:[]

Chinese celebrities who opposed the CCP:

* <<hao-haidong>>

=== Chinese Interference in the Western education systems

Related about university interference:

* 2020-12-05 "U.S. ends exchange programs with China, calling them 'propaganda'". Only five of the programs were terminated:
** Policymakers Educational China Trip Program
** U.S.-China Friendship Program
** U.S.-China Leadership Exchange Program
** U.S.-China Transpacific Exchange Program
** Hong Kong Educational and Cultural Program
* 2020-06-17 Harbin Institute of Technology denied MATLAB support for being in the entity list, apparenty since may:
* 2020-05-28 "Motion backing Hong Kong blocked after campaign by Chinese students at Warwick". The article mentions that "Just under 1,000 students voted in favour of the motion. Turnout was three times higher than other votes and officials said that it was a new record for participation."
* 2020-08 "'Craven cowardice': UNSW condemned for deleting posts critical of Beijing" University of New South Wales
* 2020-05 Drew Pavlou 柏乐志
**[University of Queensland], Australia, was trying to get rid of him for anti-CCP campaign
** <<china-uncensored,China Unscripted>> interview

China buying pre-University educational institutions:

* 2021-06-11 Insider investigation reveals officials helped sell access to California public schools to Chinese elite
* 2021-02-21 "The British schools selling out to Beijing: Not only are private institutions being bought by Chinese firms but some are giving communist-approved lessons that are a threat to free speech", gives list of 17 schools bought
** 2021-03-24 "The Chinese are buying into our private schools and we should be grateful" what, lady, are you nuts?
* 2019-07-10 "Chinese buy up more of England’s private schools", "Chinese investors have secured another foothold in the English private school sector with the £150 million purchase of CATS colleges."

==== Confucius institute (孔子学院)


News and reports:

* 2019-09 ([archive]) "Confucius Institutes: The growth of China's controversial cultural branch"
* 2019-01 ([archive]) "Why U.S. universities are shutting down China-funded Confucius Institutes"

==== University espionage


* 2021-02-08 "Nearly 200 British academics at more than 12 universities in the United Kingdom are being investigated on suspicion of unwittingly helping the Chinese government build weapons of mass destruction"
* 2020-06-12 "Fifty-four scientists have lost their jobs as a result of NIH probe into foreign ties" and "In 93% of those cases, the hidden funding came from a Chinese institution." and "In the vast majority of cases, Lauer reported, the person being investigated has been an Asian man in his 50s."
* List of professors around America caught selling secret research to the Chinese Communist Regime


* 2020-11-17 Song Guo Zheng, Ohio State University
* 2020-09 Haizhou Hu from University of Virginia:
* 2020-07 Houston consulate closed due to alllegations of facilitating intellectual property theft without public proof
** "US imposes new restrictions on Chinese diplomats" has been another direct effect of this most likely
* 2020-07 Juan Tang
** "Chinese researcher wanted by FBI flees to San Francisco consulate as US-China row deepens"
** has her PLA photos
* 2020 Hao Zhang: from Avago and Skyworks
* 2020 Charles Lieber
** he had won a Wolf Prize in Chemistry
* 2019 Shih Yi-chi from UCLA

==== German high school coordinator 2020

YET UNCONFIRMED VIDEO, we have to find who that person is exactly.

The video shows what seems to be Chinese a high school dorm coordinator saying that their Chinese exchange students must staty away from ideas democracy and freedom.


First ripped from uploader's <<tiktok,Douyin>> account named Michael_c118, who also appears to be the person on the video.

Original proeminent report on the West: 2020-10-04 by "Voice From Germany 德國之音" contains reported screenshots of the Douyin profile (no web interface it seems), include a clear face shot.

Video also commented at:

* 2020-10-31 from our friends from <<taiwan>>
* 2020-10-25 on <<reddit>>
* 2020-19-04

Key markings:

* "德国学校开班会4"
* "This man is a coordinator of Chinese high school students who study in Germany"
* "We have to say there's some problems in our dorm right now" is a screenshot of the Douyin profile showing a phone number, which looks like a Chinese number due to prefix 139:

The screnshots posted on yorkbbs link him to "北京智享德意国际教育" (Beijing Zhixiang German/Italian International Education).

Googling "北京智享德意国际教育 linkedin" leads to UNCONFIRMED a Yun Xiao | which is not marked as working in the above organization, but could be the person in the video based on the profile picture (uncertain), and also works with education, thus the Google hit at his current organization (北京智晗未来教育咨询有限公司).

Searching for Google exact hits to "北京智享德意国际教育" leads to which rejects foreign visits as of 2020-10-26, shows up on Google cache at[on 2020-10-21] ([archive]).

==== Thousand Talents Program (千人计划)


<<ciro-santilli>> believes that this is exactly the type of thing that poor countries need to do to get richer:[].

But we can't allow China to do it because China is a <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>.

==== Chinese Students and Scholars Association (CSSA, 中国学生学者联合会)

Abbreviation: CSSA.

News and reports:

* 2019-10-13 ([archive]) "Chinese Students and Scholars Association's deep links to the embassy revealed" in Australia.
* 2018-03-07 ([archive])

==== United Front Work Department (UFWD, 中共中央统一战线工作部)


China's "Diaspora management" organ.

The likely organizers behind <<confucius-institute>>, <<cssa>>, and likely several forms of <<astroturfing>>.

==== Astroturfing


===== Soft power (软实力)


=== What should pro-democracy Chinese living in China do about the dictatorship? 想要民主住在中国大陆的人应该干什么?

First of all, hide and stay safe, unless you can deal the final blow. From[World at war, 1973], ep. 16:

A dictatorship is like a snake. If you put your foot on its tail as you do it, it will just bite you and nobody will be helped. You have to strike the head.

Once that is taken care of, a few good options are:

* hide your thoughts, manipulate your enemies, infiltrate the corporate, political and military power circles, and go up the ladder
* if you are an technological innovator, leave China and come work for the West. Don't strengthen commie power.
Alternatively, with technology you could also try the anonymous rebellion route, but the risk of getting caught is significant, leaving the country first is likely a good idea. See also:
** <<terminus2049>>
** <<programthink>>

If you don't manage to do either of the above, don't do any technological work. Go work on the fields or washing dishes. Working well for Chinese companies makes the Chinese <<dictatorship,Dictatorship>> stronger and <<war,more deadly>>. See also: <<embargo>>.

And regardless: remember your kids that the commies are bastards every day.

=== Ciro Santilli's reply policy (三西猴的回答政策)

People get kind of passionate sometimes about politics. And some of them might also be just malicious <<wumao,wumaos>>, although it is generally not possible to distinguish between them.

If you are not a wumao, consider this:

* Ciro Santilli is one, and antagonists are millions. It is therefore not possible to reply to all antagonists.
* Ciro has in the past tried to be nice to stupid people, and they gave nasty replies
* all discussion is useless, <<effective,only the keyword attack has any chance of having any effect, and even that is slim>>

In order to not waste too much time on those, Ciro Santilli uses the following strategy.

If the original thread post is not very interesting, try to parse it quickly and reply once, always <<better-to-do,linking to the FAQ>>, and then unfollow the thread. This shows that you're still alive, and takes little effort.

Always quote reply, and always write down the ID of the OP on your reply, because discussions like this lead to a large number of comment and account deletions, which could make your reply not make much sense without the context.

After the link addressing anything that they might have said, add three randomly selected images from this repository to it. This is fundamental because the average <<little-pink>> does not speak English. Therefore writing is pointless.

Meme images, however, cross the language barrier beautifully. It is even better if they have Chinese captions.

Another way to see it is that we are creating a harder to censor <<instagram>> channel.

You can think of them metaphorically as throwing hand grenades over the <<gfw>>. Ciro strives to add the following elements in the image itself where applicable:

* English explanation
* Chinese explanation
* date
* location

Because the <<censorship,CCP censors politics>>, and the West does not, we can never "lose" a shitargument. Even if the <<wumao>> supports his country in a thread, just being in the same thread as the censored material could already be problematic for the wumao, as it is proof that they've seen something they should not have seen.

Therefore the only option for them is to run away.

Ciro has since then created a reply bot based on <<github>> Actions that does the above automatically, therefore handling 99% of the work, see:

* link:action.js[]
* link:.github/workflows/issue.yml[]

The bot works beautifully because it makes Ciro not feel the need to reply to every idiot <<wumao>> that comes along. Also Ciro can hide like a coward behind the bot by editing the bot's comment, which is perfect. This reminded Ciro from something that was said in[Better Call Saul] S01 E01:

And they find themselves in a little room with a detective who acts like he's their best friend.

"Talk to me," he says. "Help me clear this thing up."

"You don't need a lawyer, only guilty people need lawyers."

And, boom, hey, that's when it all goes south.

That's when you want someone in your corner.

Someone who will fight tooth and nail.

Lawyers, we're like health insurance.

You hope you never need it, but, man, oh, man, not having it? No.

The bot is basically Ciro's lawyer, always loyally on his corner of the fighting ring.

Ciro considers this a form of "asymmetric information warfare", a mixture of the concepts of[asymmetric warfare] and[information warfare]. The dictatorship has <<censorship>>, and legions of non-anonymous supporters. And the anti-censorship has memes, and a few anonymous supporters.

Finally, also try to extract the email of the user from one of their repositories. When successful, Ciro takes a <<wayback-machine>> snapshot of the repository as proof of SHA, and then forks it to to possibly keep their email safe in case of account deletion. You never know when this information might be useful.

Then, after replying, do your best never to read the inevitable reply again, and above all, never ever reply. An interesting reply never follows from a non-interesting original post. It is hard at first, but you will eventually get the hang of it.

If the user keeps generating notifications, block them as per[], replying to a single person multiple times is useless.

Never block users for an initial <<shitpost,shitposts>>, just reply with a stupid joke instead. This approach creates more uncertainty and makes you look cooler. It also allows you to identify who the enemy is. Only block if the user is generating multiple notifications.

If a shitpost is made on most other social media except GitHub issues in this repository, e.g. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, immediately block the user on that website if you have the permission to do that, with a canned reply:

Hi <idiot's name>, I don't reply to China issues here, please open an issue at: instead, cheers.

Note however that this is not possible on idiotic websites like <<quora>> where such comments may be deleted, possibly automatically, who the fuck knows, e.g. as done at: In that case just link to sections of the FAQ, or mute people, or maybe just block all comments on the post to not waste time with new useless notifications.

This is because it is not worth answering anywhere else where the information will be scattered and impossible to find later on, and especially on websites that are already blocked in China. Shitposts on Stack Overflow and other non-blocked websites are encouraged however, as they further help to get the website blocked in China.

For outbursts of activity from Chinese websites, usually programming (<<backlinks,v2ex, hacpai, pincong>>), only post the following canned answer and nothing else, because cowards/people who don't know English from the website might delete your posts, so you shouldn't waste time there with that shit:


在我的GitHub中国FAQ repository我已经回答了好几个关于我常见的问题。



Finally, don't forget the golden rule from[Proverbs 26:4]:

Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

which is now usually seen in the form[of unclear attribution]:

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Where basically idiot == someone who creates posts that obviously aren't teaching you any new useful thing, or that not praising you :-)

Alternatively, there is also the Chinese[chengyu] version:


which means:

Playing the <<music,qin>> to a cow.

which means to talk to someone who does not have intellectual conditions of understanding what you are trying to say, bibliography:


More <<wumao,wumao>> focused strategies at: <<how-to-deal-with-wumaos>>.

.[It's Super Effective!] meme by <<ciro-santilli>> describing how he deals with <<wumao,wumaos>> and <<little-pink,little pinks>>. Humour is the greatest weapon against dictators, and images help cross the language barrier. Composition CC BY-SA 2021, fair use on copyrighted individual elements.

.Chinese translation of the above.

.Cartoon depiction of the[chengyu] "Playing the <<music,qin>> to a cow" 《对牛弹琴》.[Source].

.XKCD 386 "Duty Calls" and the famous "Someone is wrong on the Internet" quote. It is a waste of time to be like that.[Source].

=== Who is behind this amazing FAQ?

==== Ciro Santilli (三西猴, anti-CCP fanatic, 反中共狂热, stupid cunt, 傻屄, CIA agent, CIA特工, 肏你妈的)

Original creator of[]:

.Ciro testing his webcam for[an Ask Ubuntu answer].

===== Ciro Santilli's wife (三西猴的老婆)

Born and raised in China: <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much>>.

She and her mother do <<falun-gong>>, see also: <<flg-bias>>.

Believes to be descendant of the brother of a recent Qing emperor, see also: <<throne>>.

For this same reason, her father, who Ciro's wife worships, spent around 10 years in the 50's for being branded a counter revolutionary rightist (右派) during one of <<mao-zedong,Mao's>> purges, possibly:


It is also for this reason that many Manchu changed their names to hide their Manchu origins, which makes reconstructing their family tree much harder, as mentioned at: for the purposes of <<throne>>.

Ciro's wife:

* studied in[one of the best universities of China]
* met Ciro his wife when they were in possibly theÉcole_Polytechnique[best engineering university in France] after she had refused opportunities to go to the USA
* obtained a PhD in[number theory] in one of the[best mathematics universities in the world]

and is way smarter than Ciro.

<<wumao,Wumaos>> can say many things about her, but claiming that she is not intelligent or has no culture or would have any difficulty in obtaining a qualified worker VISA without a marriage, is a lost argument from the start, she would likely kick your butt in a raw intelligence competition.

Ciro is actually the lucky one for having found her!

The fake "the woman makes the man" Obama story comes to mind[] (Obama would never say that in public):


One night President Obama and his wife Michelle decided to do something out of routine and go for a casual dinner at a restaurant that wasn't too luxurious. When they were seated, the owner of the restaurant asked the President's Secret Service if he could please speak to the First Lady in private. They obliged and Michelle had a conversation with the owner.

Following this conversation President Obama asked Michelle, "Why was he so interested in talking to you?" She mentioned that in her teenage years, he had been madly in love with her. President Obama then said, "So if you had married him, you would now be the owner of this lovely restaurant," to which Michelle responded, "No. If I had married him, he would now be the President."

=== How do different websites view Ciro Santilli's profile?

<<meant-to-be-used>> contains a more general overview. This contains website specifics.

==== Stack Overflow

Stack Overflow is where <<ciro-santilli>> started his <<keyword-attack>> originally in 2015 as explained at: <<why-did-ciro-santilli-start-his-keyword-attack>>.

For non-programmers, Stack Overflow is by far the leading programmer question and answer forum of the Internet.

A programmer's daily job involves asking Google about 50 times a day "how to do X", and 90% of the time or more the best answer will be found on the Stack Overflow result that will be one of the top 3 results.

This makes Stack Overflow a fundamental tool of every programmer's daily jobs.

The current community consensus says that keyword attacks are allowed:


However, you can't say "Public figure X is disgusting as a person" so <<wumao>>s, could you please report Ciro making fun of Xi Jinping X and see what they do about it?




Oh, and you can't criticize God either!

The Chinese law doesn't allow Ciro's profile unfortunately: <<real-username-law>>

Since you will fail through Stack Overflow moderation, please consider instead making a report on the <<cac-report-website>>.

===== Stack Overflow forbids criticizing the character of genocidal political leaders like Xi Jinping

Edit: as was made clearer later on at <<stack-overflow-mods-refuse-to-clarify-if-anti-ccp-imagery-is-allowed-or-not-2021>>, they just generally refuse to say clearly what is allowed or not.

Ciro was actually quite shocked by this.

He thought more people on Stack Overflow would have sided with him and favored stronger freedom of speech.

But this event made him notice that people in Stack Overflow simply didn't push back against Ciro's anti Xi Jinping campaign because they don't know who the fuck Xi Jinping is, or they don't care, or they are completely hypocrite and allow criticizing Xi Jinping but not Trump.

But they do know who Trump is, and "offending Trump" makes their feeble little feelings be hurt, and they must maintain their sacred "<<politically-incorrect,political correctness>>" at all costs, even when talking about politicians. Including that the cost of freedom.

This therefore morally justifies the take-down attempts made by hundreds of <<wumao>>s against Ciro's anti Xi Jinping content.

First by initiative of Stack Overflow employee[Cesar Manara (Brazilian)], the sentence:

I think Trump is disgusting as a person

was removed from Ciro's profile and notified.

In response, Ciro created a meta thread to confirm that the community agreed, and they did:[Can I say on my profile that I find that an (ex) president of a country or other major political public figure is “disgusting as a person”?] and the community agreed with the removal: it reached only 5 upvotes and 25 downvotes. Ciro's profile at the time was linked to Trump's ban on social media:[].

Ciro then created[If a politician has committed genocide, can I say on my profile they look like Winnie-the-Pooh to insult them because they hate that?] was it was also mostly downvoted, and deleted, without any answer. Archive: also reproduced at: The deletion voters were:

* (Australia, big Geographic Information System person, real name based on[] "Graeme Browning")
* (Singapore). Site elected admin at the time, which implies that his deletion cannot be undone by non-admins. TODO are they born in Singapore? If yes they might also be pro Xi Jinping, which is a clear conflict of interest with freedom of speech. But their English sounds perfect, so Ciro is not sure if it is common for Singapore natives or not.
* (UK, lots of Python rep)

There was no yes/no answer by anyone, because the of cowardice and hypocrisy:

* saying "you can" would imply you can criticize Trump
* saying "you can't" would imply they support genocide

So their brains just tilted, and they clicked the "delete" button as the only possible resolution. The overly speedy deletion of posts was then raised as an issue two days later for an unrelated post:

Then Ciro created an answer to["Does the Be Nice policy require SE users to “be nice” to people who are not SE users (e.g. public figures)?"] which is a superset of the previous ones referred by them. That post is reproduced at It cites the case in which the law was tested, but it was single-handedly by journeyman-geek (from Singapore) without any justification.

Ciro then finally updated his profile picture to contain <<xi-pooh-photoshop>>, archive at: to test the Winnie-the-Pooh case which people simply refused to answer. Let's see show that goes. As Ciro learned however, only wumaos will continue to complain, and due to hypocrisy their complaints will be ignored.

Other users who publicly went against freedom of speech in that case (in the name of "political correctness"):

* ("West") replied at:
* comments, ciro replies, they delete comment, comments, ciro reply, they delete comment... ciro gives up
* wants to close as duplicate of uber generic and says:
we don't have to host or pay directly or indirectly to support your opinion. That's well established policy"

Freedom of speech in social media is truly threatened by the <<politically-incorrect>>.

Related issue:

===== Stack Overflow political image answer placeholder (2021)

The deleted answer was

It used <<tank-man-cc-by-sa,Ciro Santilli's CC By-SA Tank Man image>>.

Of course, once again, just like mentioned at <<stack-overflow-forbids-criticizing-the-character-of-genocidal-political-leaders-like-xi-jinping>>, people prefer to:

* feel safe and good in their fake cocoon rather than have freedom. While people are dying, right now, in <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>
* being fully inclusive means being inclusive to dictatorship supporters

No archives unfortunately, but:

* reproduced at:
* ([archive]) identical politically correct one
* analogous to ([archive])

The full moderation team at the time can be seen publicly at[] ([archive]) and it also contains:

* ([archive]) Real name: Pieter Biesemans, a front-end developer from Belgium:
* ([archive]) Anonymous, from Canada.
* ([archive]) Gerrit Ansmann, a brain researcher from Bonn University, Germany:

Deletion message:


We're writing in reference to your Graphic Design Stack Exchange account:

We think you are already aware of what we are going to say, but we are going to say it anyway. Stack Exchange is an apolitical platform, and we like to keep politics as for away from our content as possible. Our little nook on the net is about Graphic Design, which has nothing to do with politics (even though it is used in the political arena all the time).

We acknowledge that politic profiles are somewhat allowed as per, although we do question the usefulness of 'campaigning' through a Stack Exchange profile.

We want to draw the line however at political content. There is no need to use images or other content that might be controversial or cause emotional distress, while another image or content would serve the same function. That is why we deleted you answer on this question.

We want to welcome you on our site and encourage you to keep contributing with answers. Your other answers are fine, and judging by the amount of votes, mostly well-received by the community. You may repost the answer if you can swap out the images for more neutral ones.

At the same time we want to warn you that this type of content will not be tolerated in the future and further infractions may lead to more severe consequences.

Thanks for your understanding an cooperation, we wish you a pleasant experience on GDSE.


Graphic Design Stack Exchange Moderation Team

Ciro's reply:


Is this a policy specific to graphic design website, or is it network wide, and is there an open meta question for it?

The mods then changed their discourse to mention spam rules rather than only on the "people will feel bad" aspect:

The[code of conduct]:

Be inclusive and respectful.

Exposing others to images of violent and traumatic events is not respectful to those on whom those images have a strong effect. This is only acceptable if the topic of the question make this inevitable, which also suffices to warn of those who are triggered by those images: Images about violent events are to be expected in a question about such events, not in a question about concatenating two images.

Rules against spam:

A post should be marked as spam only if it advertises a product, service, or similar and is unsolicited or lacks disclosure.
Unsolicited means that mentioning the product serves no purpose other than promotion. […]

You were promoting a political position and including the promotional content (instead of a neutral picture) served no purpose other than promotion. It’s analogous to using a picture advertising a product as an example.

OK, the spam argument would likely win.

Ciro then hacked the images to his <<the-world-is-perfect,"The world is perfect">>[kitsch] placeholder, and mods approved it, so here we go.

Ciro was planning the following meta post, but gave up on it:

Can I use political images as placeholders for questions involving images when it does not affect the validity of the answer?

For example when answering the following ImageMagick question: I used an image with political content.

The choice of the placeholder was completely arbitrary, and does not affect the answer in any way.

But today admins of Graphic Design Stack Exchange deleted the post saying it is not allowed on the Graphic Design website.

> We want to draw the line however at political content. There is no need to use images or other content that might be controversial or cause emotional distress, while another image or content would serve the same function. That is why we deleted you answer on this question.

The admins mention that on profiles it is OK linking to: but on answers it is not.

So I would like to clarify if:

* is this a policy specific to Graphic Design or if it applies to the entire network.
* if it applies to the entire network:
** Can I use images of myself, Ciro Santilli, or is that currently considered political content?
** At I needed several images, and I had used a list of USA presidents in chronological order without much thought. Do I have to modify that answer to use another set of images?

and planned answer:

**Any images that can be used on a profile picture should also usable as a placeholder**

When you answer a question, you should have a very wide choice of what to use as a placeholder.

Politics is a perfectly legal topic, just like flowers, animals, and scenery.

The "can it be used on the profile picture" test should already filter out any content that is deemed unacceptable due to legal concerns.

Another issue is that it is extremely difficult and possibly unfair to classify what is political or not.

Suppose that Ciro Santilli became famous enough outside of programming circles such that he starts to be considered a political subject.

Would his images then start to be considered political content?

But that would be discriminatory against certain people and not others.

Freedom of speech is extremely valuable, and we should be very careful about restricting it.

There are people literally unfairly dying, right now, because they don't have it.

Do you really want to reduce yours?

The only way to prevent history from repeating itself, is to remember it.

Related spam meta posts:


."The world is perfect" by Ciro Santilli, CC By-SA 4.0 (2021). After Graphics Stack Exchange forbade the usage of political images, <<ciro-santilli>> created this politically correct image to serve as a censorship placeholder, and reuploaded the answer as allowed by the moderators:[]. ([].[archive]) CC BY-SA 4.0, heart attribution:ón.svg[]. <<os-problemas-da-imprensa-livre,Newspaper censorship cake recipe posts during the Brazilian military dictatorship>> and <<what-is-more-obscene-sex-or-war,"What is more obscene: sex or war?">> and <<please-enjoy-this-politically-correct-cartoon,Please enjoy this politically correct cartoon>> come strongly to mind.

."The world is perfect" as used to update Ciro Santilli's[deleted answer]. Instead of redoing the tutorial from scratch, Ciro just pasted the new image on top of the old one Stack Exchange censored: <<tank-man-cc-by-sa,Ciro Santilli's CC BY-SA Tank Man image>>. Borders of the censored image were intentionally left over however as a reminder that Stack Exchange censors. This is a work of art.

.Politically correct version of <<tank-man-cc-by-sa,Ciro Santilli's CC By-SA Tank Man image>>. This is how <<stack-overflow,Stack Exchange>> wants the world to remember <<tiananmen>>.

.At one point in Richard Feynman's talk "Los Alamos from below", he describes how external letter censorship was implemented at Los Alamos, and how he went to thoroughly test the limits of what would be censored or not.

===== Stack Overflow mods refuse to clarify if anti-CCP imagery is allowed or not (2021)

This one again highlights the hypocrisy of many people in the West: we decide who is good and who is evil. The CCP is now evil, so you can criticize it, even if it shocks Chinese people. Ah, Nazism shocks us, even though it is an event from the past, so that you can't do. You can only shock the Chinese people, not us.

Or: we like human rights. But not potentially disturbing someone at work even slightly is more important.

Opened a meta thread for this at: ([archive]) where the top answer was:

We refuse to make a public decision.

In response, Ciro wrote the following essay on his profile page:[].

The following quote from[Ron Maimon] comes to mind:

Unfortunately, when you're in a minority, the only way to correct the consensus view is to just shout it, and repeat it, until people go and look and check for themselves. The reason is that it creates an adversarial atmosphere where the people have to pick sides, **and they don't like to pick sides, they would rather have everyone be happy**. So when you have to pick sides, what do you do? You either butt out, you just leave it alone, you run away. Or you sit and review the evidence until you know which side to pick.

Notable people who went against in the comments:

* from the Netherlands commented "As the Dutch police say "if you're asking for attention, you get attention".". No attempt to address the question at all. Just a direct "I'm right, you're wrong, and I'm glad you were punished".
* argues for "anything that raises enough flags should be taken down",
* "The mods and/or SE staff might not have clear guidelines in place yet, and I bet the last thing they want to do now is to figure out such guidelines to answer your question. If you have to ask, then I would refrain from adding any of that to your profile. Let's keep excessive politics out of SO."
* "Nobody limits your free speech, we don't withhold you from going out on the street and yell whatever you want. Should SE allow everything on its platform, no. That is the same as you don't allow everything in your own house." What is it with the Netherlands? They were invaded by Hitler, and now they don't want to support human rights?
* again from <<stack-overflow-forbids-criticizing-the-character-of-genocidal-political-leaders-like-xi-jinping>>

Close voters and reopen voters can be seen publicly at[]

First close voters:

* presumably from Belgium
* again from <<stack-overflow-forbids-criticizing-the-character-of-genocidal-political-leaders-like-xi-jinping>>
* Rory Alsop from Scotland. A LinkedIn with matching name and location: states:
I have spent most of the last 20 years not just improving technical security in large and small organisations, but improving security and risk behaviours, awareness and culture in communities."
* "I participate in Charcoal, a user-run group that fights spam and rude/abusive content across the network. Do you hate spam? Drop by Charcoal HQ and help us catch and destroy it!". Interesting!

First reopen voters:

* Eliah Kagan, this is an awesome Ask Ubuntu dude from New York
* presumably from USA based on

The interesting thing is that none of them had the courage to actually say "forbid Tiananmen", "forbid Falun Gong". But they all said "forbid not suitable for work". But they won't clarify if "not suitable for work" includes "not suitable for work in China".

On 2021-05-29 <<ciro-santilli>> added almost all images from this page to his Stack Overflow account as shown at:

On 2021-05-29 <<ciro-santilli>> was suspended from Meta Stack Exchange for 7 days as shown at received the following message from moderators:


We're writing in reference to your Meta Stack Exchange account:

We note that you were previously contacted for part of your profile being offensive. It has been brought to our attention that a significant part of your profile is filled with shock pictures, nazi imagery and similar images.

We'd note that people do use this site at work, and while users have some freedom over the content of their profile, there are fairly obvious lines that shouldn't be crossed.

We do not recommend that you restore the content we removed - specifically the images without checking back with us.

We have temporarily suspended your account; you may return after 7 days.

Meta Stack Exchange Moderation Team

As can be publicly seen at the list of moderators of that website at the time was:

*[ChrisF] from the United Kingdom
*[Journeyman Geek] who previously also showed up at: <<stack-overflow-forbids-criticizing-the-character-of-genocidal-political-leaders-like-xi-jinping>>
*[Tinkeringbell] from the Netherlands

Ciro replied:


Could you clarify if the following types of images are OK or not:

- people imprisoned in Xinjiang concentration camps
- Tiananmen square protests
- making fun of Xi Jinping
- Falun Gong persecution

supposing that they show no explicit gore or violence?

All the above are considered highly shocking to many Chinese people, due in part to their strict censorship rules, and not suitable for the workplace in China.

I have been using such images for many years to criticize what I believe are terrible events in China, and the decision so far has been that I was allowed to use them.

The intent of the Nazi images is clearly to compare both regimes to criticize the Chinese Government, which I believe is following the same path as the Nazis (e.g. Concentration Camps in Xinjiang, no freedom of speech, etc.), to help prevent such abuses from happening again in the future.

I just want to clearly understand the rationale of of why anti-CCP images are OK, but anti-Nazi ones aren't, so I can follow your rules correctly and save everyone's time in the future by correctly deciding which images are OK or not.


On their next reply, they tried to dodge a directly reply, but suggested that anti-CCP imagery is forbidden:

> Could you clarify if the following types of images are OK or not:

Its not the 'topic' but rather the content.

> All the above are considered highly shocking to many Chinese people, due in part to their strict censorship rules, and not suitable for the workplace in China.

Well if your intent is to shock - don't. These are your words, not ours - and hopefully reflects a better understanding of what's not acceptable.

> I just want to clearly understand the rationale of of why anti-CCP images are OK, but anti-Nazi ones aren't, so I can follow your rules correctly and save everyone's time in the future by correctly deciding which images are OK or not.

We never said that. We gave specific examples of objectionable content. If you realise something isn't suitable - that it is something shocking, and not suitable for the workplace, as you seem to realise, it shouldn't be on your profile.

In short, we believe you have a very clear idea, from your own response, of what's not acceptable, and we hope you exercise better judgement in this regard in future.

Ciro's Reply:

> We never said that. We gave specific examples of objectionable content. If you realise something isn't suitable - that it is something shocking, and not suitable for the workplace, as you seem to realise, it shouldn't be on your profile.

My intent is to convey extremely important information, not to shock.

However, in dictatorships like China, extremely important information is forbidden for unfair reasons, and therefore shocking.

> We never said that. We gave specific examples of objectionable content. If you realise something isn't suitable - that it is something shocking, and not suitable for the workplace, as you seem to realise, it shouldn't be on your profile.

You forbade any Nazi imagery clearly, including to criticize the Nazis, so that is clear and I will never again add Nazi imagery.

All anti-CCP content is extremely shocking to many Chinese people (but not others). And it is not suitable for the workplace for anyone there, that is unquestionable.

Therefore, from your reply, I understand that anti-CCP content is not allowed because it is not suitable for the workplace in China, as it is shocking.

Is this understand correct? Can you please confirm very clearly and directly: do you forbid all anti-CCP imagery or not? And if it is just a partial ban, what is allowed and what is not more precisely?

My understanding from top answers at: is that such criticism of the CCP is allowed on the website, even though it is clearly not suitable for the workplace in China.

Sorry to ask this further, but I need a clearer guideline so I can follow it.

===== Other openly dissident users on Stack Overflow

For non-Stack Overflow specific ones see: <<chinese-dissidents>>

Query to find them:

Notable ones only here (high rep or innovative criticism):

* "GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會"
** Real name: Vincent Tam from social media links.
** Keyword attack inspired by me
* Yu Hao
** "<<gfw,GFW (Great Firewall of China)>> is one of the most notorious inventions in the history of Internet. Anyone working for it should be ashamed."
* gotqn
** "Free Tibet From China Domination"
* Scott 混合理论
The same message as Yu Hao, I wonder if it is an external thing or direct copy of Yu, but no Google hits besides them.
* Terry Wang
** Lego recreation of Tankman on the profile picture: <<lego-tank-man>>

Users who had <<gfw,GFW>> references but removed it:


Misc interesting stuff:

* <location>火车站酒店小姐 (about 20 accounts with that pattern)
** Interesting list of prostitution spam/sockpuppets? All have the exact same profile information.
** Hitting query due to "审查", but the usage is unrelated to the Firewall.

Query to find them:

====== Stack Overflow anti-dissident users

*** username: "请封掉Ciro Santilli 中国共产党万岁"
*** profile: "中国万岁! 中国共产党万岁! 法轮功,民运,台独在中国共产党的铁蹄下不过是螳臂当车!"
** became a coward, renamed to "LookIntoEast"
*** more shitcomments "可惜啊中国一天比一天强大繁荣,中国的实力碾压你们轮子跟捏死一只蚂蚁那么简单。哈哈哈哈", Yes, the CCP is very good at <<intolerance,putting old ladies in jail>>. A great thing to be proud of.
** left 3 "offensive" comments and downvoted some posts. Flagged them all. Easy suspension,[7 days], 3 downvotes reversed as "Serial voting reversed":
*** 快看,你轮子老婆正被野男人按在床上疯狂X!!! 因为你性无能!哈哈哈哈哈哈。轮子狗都是这种下场
*** 快看!你老婆这只轮子🐔,一直被不同男人X呢!那个地方被X到流脓!因为你性无能哦,所以不停被你轮子老婆戴绿帽子!
*** 轮子狗死全家!!!!!快看你妈刚被车撞死了!脑浆 一直喷!
** mentioned at from <<v2ex>>
** a questions only account, not many intelligent CCP supporters out there of course. 2020 edit mentions: mentions "How time flies. Almost 10 years ago I started to work on bioinformatics without any coding skills. Then I gave up my PhD and previous career and becomes a pure software engineer."
** username: "Ciro Santilli 的造谣是可耻行为"
** username: "Snowden Assange Wounded Knee"
** profile: "燃(ri)烧(si)您(ni)的(de)梦(ma),Ciro Santilli. StackOverflow上的一个用户. The Oliver Stone Experience"
** explanation:
*** "燃烧您的梦":
*** "Wounded Knee":

==== GitHub

GiHub is the new <<xidan-democracy-wall>>! :) See also: <<meant-to-be-used>>.

Interesting repositories are listed at: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>

GitHub's site policy can be seen at:

If you believe this page violates those policies, see: <<github-report>>.

China's GitHub censorship history is documented at:[], some events:

* 2019-07-29 "GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea". "As part of the push, Friedman said GitHub has enforced new restrictions to prevent users in sanctioned countries from accessing private repositories and GitHub Marketplace, as well as maintaining private paid organization accounts"
** protest repo against the sanctions, archived as of 2020-08
** "Use gitee from china" recommending <<gitee>>


* <<censorship-circumvention>> contains some anti-censorship repositories
* <<cute-cat-theory-of-digital-activism>>

===== How to report a user on GitHub (GitHub上怎么举报用户?)

Click the report abuse button on[Ciro's profile], which links to: or you can just contacat

If you do so, please feel free to also open an issue on this repository saying why you believe the site policy has been violated.

Those issues will be marked with:

It will be fun to watch you try, and fail.

This is because you do not understand how important the concept of <<richer,freedom of speech is>> in the West, and how amazing it feels when you are right, and it protects you.

The only thing that would work is if the Chinese government makes a gov-takedown on this repo: <<github-gov-takedowns>>, in which case: <<strategy-if-this-repo-gets-added-to-github-gov-takedowns>>.

In order to get this repository in gov-takedown, your best bet is to use the <<cac-report-website>>. hits to

* 2021-05-21
* 2019-09 hits to GitHub repository:

* 2021-05-30 6 from 1 user

.How to report an user on GitHhub.

===== GitHub censored subdomains

It appears according to <<greatfire>> however that there are some important GitHub censored subdomains, notably:

*[], from which images and other downloads are served. Therefore all images served from GitHub should be broken in China
*[],[]: meh, that's useless, just create a repo and dump your stuff there

However, at least for raw, <<geoscreenshot>> disagrees:

* 2020-09-30 |
* 2020-09-30 |

More information:


===== GitHub gov-takedowns

GitHub has absolute transparency on Government takedowns, which is awesome:

This makes that repo into a list of fun things.

As of 2019-05 there had only been only two takedowns by China however, compared to dozens by <<russia>>. The Chinese commies are not big fans of transparency it seems.

As of 2020-03, besides the <<programthink,Zhao>> takedown, all other takedowns happened in 2019, and most seem to be <<falun-gong>>/<<epoch-times>> sponsored ways to <<censorship-circumvention,climb the wall>>.

The message GitHub shows on the blocked countries is:

Repository unavailable in your location

This repository is currently disabled in your location. For more details please see the takedown notice.

Here are some examples of people reacting to the blocking of as per from China (and likely on the entire repository, which appears to be the block granularity implemented):

* ([archive])
* corresponding Google bomb at:

See also: <<programthink>>

To check China only takedowns such as this, we cannot use <<censorship-monitoring,Great Fire Analyzer>>, which reports the page as accessible: the only tool <<ciro-santilli>> could find so far to capture a page from China a bit like Web Archive was: <<geoscreenshot>>

.<<geoscreenshot>> of from <<programthink>> taken on 2020-09-31 from China. The "Repository unavailable in your location" message shows, since[this repository is in gov-takedowns/china].

====== Strategy if this repo gets added to GitHub gov-takedowns

If this happens, we well proceed to create alternative repos `china-dictatorship-2`, `china-dictatorship-3`, etc. and it would be fun to see how that gets handled.

Can they add an entire user to gov-takedowns?

But remember that we also have: <<mirrors>>, and that this can be easily rendered as a single HTML page and uploaded to any static website host.

====== gov-takedowns/China

Skipping all <<falun-gong>>/<<epoch-times>> repos with very few stars, mostly some <<gfw>> skip methods, those are noise, and possibly added only to dilute the real deal.

* 2016
**[][]. <<programthink,Zhao>>
* 2019
*** Wiki of <<greatfire>>. <<censorship-circumvention>>. Precise issue:[] (no archives).
***[], see also: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>

===== GitHubt This repository may contain objectionable content

TODO: <<ciro-santilli>> once saw that message when visiting: on 2021-05-19 for the first time, but not on the following ones. Appears to be some kind of textual softporn repo. How does that message get added exactly? And you are forced you to login to view that repository! Incredible, a hidden undocumented semi-hide-repo feature. Here's an archive: That click wall also prevents archives of the repository therefore.

===== GitHub censorship guidelines GitHub threatens to shut down a repository for using the word 'retard' (2015)

===== Gitee

For our mirror there, see: <<gitee-censorship>>.

Linked to "Open Source China" (开源中国) according to TechCrunch:

The project will be carried out by a consortium led by Open Source China, the Shenzhen-based firm behind its namesake open-source community and Gitee.

* GitHub OAuth goes through that organization
* their website

At they mirrors 21 thousand repositories as of 2021, updating them daily, with the goal of having "higher download speeds" in mainland China. Not that their speed is shit because of censorships of course.

Mirrors containing Ciro's keywords or related interesting stuff:

* "Ciro Santilli 六四事件"
* sensitive domain lists:
* ans specifically contains a proxy list with `||`, which is a decoded version of the base-64 encoded <<gfwlist>> normally used for <<censorship-circumvention>>. Lol.
* sensitive word lists. In <<censorship,censoring>>, we display. It is fun to see how they censor at every level, including the keyboard input method. Fear is everywhere, <<newspeak>> must be enforced at all costs:
* even website project templates must come with a censored word list: "六四事件"
* is a input program
*[]. This interesting emacs config appears to expand e.g. `fclg` into `法轮功` on tab complete. Nice.

As of 2021, it requires login to see:

* commit history: History must be controlled, history is dangerous. See also <<baidu,Baidu Baike>>, <<baidu-baike-censorship-of-hao-haidong>>:
* files larger than 1MB:星二S词库.txt



* 2020-11-10 "China's government-anointed Git operator says it will become a Linux Foundation mirror"
* <<huawei>> open sourced is[Harmony OS] "IoT operating system" in Gitee:
The name of that OS is pure gold considering the Chinese origin, since "to harmonize" is often used as a way to say "to censor negative CCP information".
That URL also likely highlights Huawei's intense influence on Gitee, the as the custom domain redirects to it:[], as opposed to what normal users can likely create[].
* 2020-08-21 "China is building a GitHub alternative called Gitee"
<<ciro-santilli>> commented about his <<gitee-censorship>> experiment there, it got 26 upvotes 13 downvotes, and as removed as "This post violated our policy.". There is no way to appeal that in that idiotic system. It is absed on: It is also bugged as fuck. Sometimes says violates policy, then there's a JavaScript update andthe comment shows.

====== Gitee censorship

After posting our <<mirrors>> there, it was blocked in 12 hours:

** archive immediately after creation:
** blocked archive 12 hours later:
{"status":404,"data":null,"message":"404 Not Found"}
** archive immediately after:
** archive 12 hours later:
{"status":403,"data":null,"message":"The user has been blocked"}

The block email is:


仓库 cirosantilli/China Dictatorship 已被锁定

原因: 根据相关法律法规和政策,本仓库暂停访问。

Other known blocked china-dictatorship forks:

* no archives, can't find another account by the same user, but got a backlink 2021-06-22

==== Zhihu (知乎, censored Quora clone)

The Chinese <<quora,Quora>> clone, but highly censored: <<zhihu-censorship>>.

Some interesting questions not related to <<ciro-santilli>>. Ciro related questions at: <<zhihu-questions-related-to-ciro-santilli>>.

* <<censorship>>
** "为什么有人一边支持审查制度一边还喜欢看美剧、日漫?" "Why are some people in favor of censorship, but at the same time still like to watch American series?" ([archive])
** Censorship in Zhihu
*** "你对知乎的审查系统有何意见?" "What is your view of Zhihu's censorship system?" ([archive]) "由于众所周知的原因,知乎上的文章和答案一旦涉及某些字眼,就会触发审查,其方式是让你的文字暂时仅自己可见"
*** 从知乎建站以来被封禁的用户都有哪些?Since Zhihu's founding, which accounts have been blocked on the website? ([archive]) ([archive]). The top answer contains a list, and a brief explanation of why some of them were banned:
**** Ciro Santilli: S/O 红人 (fStack Overflow celebrity)
**** "ww" in explanations means "big laugh" according to: because a single "w" means a small laugh
**** several accounts are linked to one specific answer or comment
**** other accounts are classified as often commenting on <<politically-sensitive>> material
* <<falun-gong>>
** <<flg-daily>>
*** ([blocked as of 2020-04],[archive from 2015]) 家里有人练法轮功是一种怎样的体验? How is it like to live with Falun Gong believers?
** <<flg-changed>>
*** ([blocked as of 2020-04],[2016-03 archive]) "全能神教在境外,法轮功也在境外,为什么他们不祸害境外人民、偏偏只祸害大陆人?"<<eastern-lightning,Eastern Lightning>> exists outside of the country [China], Falun Gong exists outside of the country, so why is is that they don't harm people in those countries, but only harm people in Mainland China?"
* <<gay-rights>>
** "为什么中国影视作品不允许LGBT的出现?" "Why is it not allowed to show LGBT content in Chinese film and television?" ([archive])
* <<zhihu-censorship-of-hao-haidong>>

.The Zhihu 404 page image. When they take the posts down as of 2020, it shows the 404 page which reads "你似乎来到了没有知识存在的荒原" (you seem to have come to a wasteland about which does does not exist any knowledge), and shows this symbol.[Source].
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==== Zhihu censorship (知乎审查)

More general censorship discussion at: <<censorship>>.

Examples of Zhihu censorship:

* <<zhihu-purge>>
* <<zhihu-censorship-of-hao-haidong>>

Other discussions:


===== Ciro Santilli's Zhihu purge 2019-11-03

On this day, not only the posts made by Ciro himself were deleted: he had never asked any questions or made any Zhuanlan posts himself, only replied to those. But that content made by other users was still removed. Therefore, this is not just a simple user ban, but active censorship.

Ciro received an email from

您好,Ciro Santilli,很抱歉您的回答受到了牵连,您回答过的问题「 是谁维护的,为什么会收集邮箱地址?」因「违反互联网相关法律法规」已被删除。

followed by Ciro's answer to <<zhihu-46957710>>. Ciro could not login anymore, the login screen showed:


So likely someone must have used the fact that this was an edgy personally information release subject issue, and then someone from Zhihu decided to purge Ciro and anyone posts that ever talked about him.

Ciro's blocked account:

* before deletion:
* after deletion (redirects to login page):

Random unblocked control account: ([archive]).

Furthermore, all questions related to Ciro, including the posts criticizing him such as[] ([archive]), were taken down. This made Ciro laugh: in China, you can't even criticize that which is censored, or your post also gets taken down.

Ciro then created an anonymous Zhihu account after this event.

Interestingly however, the following answer came up later on: <<zhihu-ted-chiang-answer>> and stayed up for at least 5 months, which indicates that Zhihu did a one-off removal, and did not set up a filter for Ciro's name.

====== Ciro Santilli's Zhihu ban 2018-06-25

<<ciro-santilli>> was banned from Zhihu on 2018-06-25 for "<<politically-sensitive>>" content.

As a result, since that time I will be answering Zhihu questions as issues in this repo with the `zhihu` label:

I have however never posted anything politically sensitive on Zhihu, unless my name and profile picture have reached that distinction, and therefore the ban is clearly an unfair per-person ban.

But of course, all is fair in love and war, and politics.

Posting any sensitive content on Chinese websites is a waste of time, since it only means that they will be removed and you will waste time creating a new account, I will never do that.

The only significant content I ever posted on Zhihu is the answer to: which is purely technical, and trivial replies on threads that other people have started about me. Have those people been blocked like me?

My posts are still up and it does not appear to be possible for people to see that I have been banned, but whenever I try to take any action on the website a popup appears saying:

由于严重违反 知乎社区管理规定 ,该帐号已被永久禁言

This includes liking, commenting, answering, asking or trying to update my profile to say that I have been blocked.

This message also shows on my public page for everyone to see: but they use some JavaScript scheme complicated enough that cannot capture it.

I still get notifications however, but I am unable to reply to them, especially given that all Chinese accounts, unlike mine, have no personal identifiable information due to the understandable fear Chinese citizens have of their own government, even though such accounts might be illegal in theory: <<anonymous-accounts-ban>>.

The only action that I can take now is to report abusive comments people make to me.

Obviously, the only effect of such ban is that I will create an <<anonymous-accounts-ban,anonymous account>> under Tor with a second cell phone if I wish to contribute in the future, and China will have less information about my political interests than before.

The private messages the website sends while banning you are:

知乎管理员 :您好,根据用户举报,您的帐号发布了「<<politically-sensitive,政治敏感>>」内容,帐号已根据知乎社区规范被永久禁言。处理详情可查看社区服务中心。具体规范请查看知乎社区管理规定。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除

知乎管理员 :您好,根据用户举报,您的部分个人信息由于不符合知乎用户信息管理规范已被重置。用户名可以在设置页面中修改,修改后会自动进入审核等待通过;其他个人信息可以在个人主页中编辑。感谢您对知乎社区的理解和支持。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除

Those messages contain links to: | and |

The ban came soon after I posted a link to my GitHub repo as a comment at: maybe they are related.

====== Who reported Ciro Santilli on Zhihu

At the same time the ban happened I received a public comment from user "Eureka" | on this thread: | saying:

你滥用了github, 也滥用了Stackover。这个一个纯粹计算机、编程和知识分享的地方,请不要带入政治性的色彩。请不要这么做, 维护社区的非政治性、中立和技术性纯粹,是每个热爱cs的人应尽的义务。

I am unable to get a URL that shows the comment on, so I have no proof of this claim. If you trust me, then here is a screenshot:

Since I expect the ban lists to be private, I find it extremely likely that this was the user who reported me, unless both were simultaneously triggered by a third event which I have not seen. So correct me if I'm wrong here.

Users with the same user id `crb912`, related "Eureka" username or same profile picture, can be found at:

* (unable to archive) on <<weibo>>
* | which suggests a possible real name

By Googling the email found on the GitHub repos, we find: | which might, at last, contain a photo of my nemesis.

My public message to the reporter whomever he may be:

While you have also raised issues that were raised a thousand times before, and clearly answered in the FAQ, at least you were able to take some actual action leading to an actual ban, and I respect you for that.

I hope that one day you will redirect that cunning and initiative towards taking down the root cause of the problem, which are the Chinese communist Party and their Firewall themselves.

===== Zhihu questions related to Ciro Santilli

Parent section: <<backlinks>>

All Zhihu posts related to Ciro Santilli were deleted following <<zhihu-purge>>. Some had been deleted before.

* 2019-06-12: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "德国极端分子黑我们大中国!犯我中华者,虽远必诛!!". Ciro wonders why the poster thought Ciro was German.
* 2019-03: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "如何看待Github Trending上Ciro Santilli的众多开源项目?". Due to: being featured on Hacker News:
* 2018-11: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "如何评价Ciro Santilli对Stack Overflow和GitHub的扰乱?"
* 2017-03-07: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "StackOverflow 上的一个智障用户"
** 2017-03 ([archive]) by ([archive]) "StackOverflow 上的一个智障用户" contains a copy of the post by the same author.
It just makes Ciro smile whenever he thinks that their post criticizing Ciro was deleted by the CCP, and they still might support the CCP, <<meant-to-be-used,Stockholm syndrome comes to mind>>.
As of 2020, that website generates a constant stream of incoming traffic to the issue it links to:[]. Unfortunately brglng was a coward and removed his comments leaving the conversation a bit broken, and this was before Ciro <<wayback-machine,web archived obsessively>>.
* 2015-08-18: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "你们怎么看stackoverflow上某人故意屏蔽中国访问的事件?"

A random control question that shows that 404's are actually deleted questions: ([archive]).

Mentions not yet deleted as of writing:

* at <<zhihu>>

====== Answer to the Zhihu question "How do you evaluate Ted Chiang's 'Evil Chinese Characters' essay?" "如何评价姜峯楠(Ted Chiang)在纽约客上的随笔《坏汉字》?"的回答 ([archive])

Contains reactions to the post: <<evil-chinese-characters-by-ted-chiang>>, and this answer says that even though Ciro Santilli is amazingly smart, he cannot be bothered to learn Chinese characters, quoting Ciro's comments from: <<does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese>>.

This post was interesting because it happened after <<zhihu-purge>>, which indicates that Zhihu did not setup an automated "Ciro Santilli" filter.

====== 是谁维护的,为什么会收集邮箱地址? ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])).

Asked in 2016-09 after Ciro published:

Deleted after <<zhihu-purge>>. Ciro's answer before deletion:

你用的git config user.email当然是公开的:谁都会git clone就知道了。

问题就是git repository很大,我们不会都clone.





1. Google 把邮件从BigQuery删除
2. GitHub 更新他们的隐私声明GitHub Privacy Statement



==== Quora

Quora is[a generally shitty website], with mechanisms that allow <<wumao,wumaos>> to quench freedom of speech.

Quora is a major platform for <<astroturfing>>.

Ironically, as usual, is it also blocked in China:

* according to <<greatfire>>:
* 2018-03 news coverage

Examples of activity related to Ciro Santilli:

* 2016 Ciro Santilli's profile was blocked because it had Chinese keywords on both my username and credentials. Justification: "non-English".
* 2017 created one in English: Cook <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square>> Noodle Shop, from <<falun-sweden>>
Added my Noodle shop to maps:,15.6687509,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x94603408e3c63fb3!8m2!3d60.6132538!4d15.6687509
Leach websites that picked it up:

Quora is also shitty because wumaos can downvote your answer privately regardless of reputation and make it become collapsed as "Answer may need improvement", which means it goes to the bottom and readers have to click an "expand collapsed answers" button to see it, so that very few people will ever see it.

Then have to appeal and wait for moderators to evaluate it.

This happened for example at: (see also <<t-shirt>>).

Ciro appealed in 2020-03-10 and the answer was reinstated on day later, but by then the question was already not being suggested as much to readers, and the other wumao answers (which criticize the USA rather than answering the question about China).

While there is some probability that the answers themselves are not wumaos, their upvoters almost certainly are and must be investigated.

Other shitty aspects of Quora include:

* block <<wayback-machine>> archives with their robots.txt, gotta use <<archive-today>>
* automatically add random topics that you don't care about to your suggestions, with no easy way to prevent that.
* questions cannot have more than one sentence. There used to be a question body, but it was replaced with a "link for context". Ridiculous.

As a result, on the few occasions that Ciro posts on Quora, all content will also be mirrored here. Ciro's China Quora answers include:

*[What would happen if I walked around Beijing with a t-shirt that said "freedom of speech is pretty great"?] ([archive]) see also: <<t-shirt>>
*[What is the net worth of Xi Jinping?] see also: <<panama-papers>>

Some <<wumao,wumaos>>:

*[]: a Han supremacist!

Related posts:

* on <<reddit>>
** 2021-03
*** 2021-04

==== PTT Bulletin Board System 批踢踢實業坊


Popular <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> forum system and server from 1995, pre HTML, works from telnet terminal, so likely very programmer heavy, and obviously anti-CCP, as of 2020 often shows <<falun-gong>> ads.

<<ciro-santilli>>'s appearances on PTT:

* 2020-10-09: 如何一秒惹怒中國人 (how to provoke a Chinese person in one second) by[abc60575986] saying "台灣是一個國家" (Taiwan is a country). Then[kugwa] linked to <<keyword-attack,Ciro Santilli's Stack Overflow profile>>
* 2020-01-31: "stackoverflow菁英卻痛恨中國" by["Eric0605 (我還有點餓)"] on the Gossiping board. One of the comments then links to
* 2017-06-19 "Ciro Santilli <<the-709-crackdown,709大抓捕>> 六四事件 法轮" on the Gossiping board
* 2016-10-03 "Github也出現網軍了嗎?" (Is there an emerging wumao army on GitHub?) by gocreating on the Soft_Job board

Archaic, fucking impossible to learn how to use. Ciro Santilli hasn't managed yet, so if you want a reply from him, open an issue on this repo instead. Some tips:

* on the web UI rendering replies can be either likes (推 as in 推荐), dislikes (噓, hush!) or neutral (right arrow)
* per-page threads are basically flat. You can however reply to another post with a "Re:" post. One application of this seems to be to post images which might only be allowed on the thread starters, e.g.: is a "Re:" to It is not clear if Re: and original posts are interlinked in any way.

TODO: can anyone comment, without having a Taiwanese university address? This suggests no: Also asked at:


A source informed Ciro that now only[NTU] alumni can have an account.

Maybe the email requirement is the only way to prevent <<wumao,wumaos>> from flooding the website.

Normal people see it on a web viewer hosted on:

However it is fucking impossible to web archive that web interface because there is a cookie I'm 18-years-old confirmation before the first connection.

This shows how to connect for the first time:

One attempt is:

luit -encoding big5 telnet

But the main page says:

"本站目前暫停開放新帳號註冊。" "This site is currently suspended for new account registration."

And you try `new` it says: "目前無法註冊帳號![按任意鍵繼續]" "Account cannot be registered at this time."

OK, ptt2 went further:

luit -encoding big5 telnet

Then there is a registration process that seem to require you to prove that you work at Taiwanese university, but not sure it is mandatory to post.

But I couldn't find Gossiping there either, which is the only board that matters, so not sure it is on this server.

==== LIHKG (連登)



<<hong-kong>> Reddit. Requires a Hong Kong IP or university address to login, a bit in the spirit of <<ptt>> to avoid <<wumao>>.

If it goes down, they created: on <<reddit>>.

TODO meaning of "LI"?

<<ciro-santilli>> mentions:

* 2020-08-24 "工信部培植代碼平台取代GitHub" (The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology cultivates a code platform to replace GitHub) linking to: Then 菱川六花 linked to this page on a comment. Too young, too naive, they did not know about the more specific and interesting from <<gitee-censorship>>
* 2019-10-31 "Notepad{plus}{plus}新版代號「自由維吾爾」,GitHub網頁被灌爆,網站遭DDoS" about <<notepad>> "Free Uyghur" version. On page 3 comment links to Ciro's <<stack-overflow>> account. Big thread with 500+ likes.
* 2019-10-05 "聽講GitHub好好用" (Attending lectures on GitHub is very useful.). But likely some <<slang,slang>> for politics, because on first comment "可以好好上去發表下愛國論". Then someone links to <<nine-nine-six-icu>>, then to the GitHub <<mirrors,mirror of this page>>, and then to <<gitee>>.
* 2018-07-31 Title: "依條友都幾屈機, 係Stack overflow撚共匪". I'm unable to understand the first sentence, but the end is something along "to play tricks on the commies". First comment (likely by OP): "佢個個人home page好多5毛留言, 唔知會唔會搞到block堆stackoverflow". The entire thread is about Ciro's <<stack-overflow>>.

==== Google 谷歌

Related subjects:

* <<google-china>>
* <<google-cache>>

===== Google mirrors 谷歌镜像

Do the names mean anything? Are they owned? The fact that they are Alexa top 1000 domains is just so funny, Google redirects for China.

Alexa top 1000 domains and blocked in China as per <<greatfire>>:

* large list of university Google/Google Scholar/Wikipedia/Twitter mirrors maintained by Chinese university students under an unified system. Each one asks for verification that you are from that university via some little known fact about the university:

* from[Zhejiang University] "需要验证您是否来自浙江大学". Question: "请问浙江大学内网最大的论坛中, 每天发帖量最大的版块是哪个?" (Ask your colleagues on the internal forum, what is the most popular section of the forum every day?)
* from[Nanjing University] "需要验证您是否来自南京大学" Question: "西大楼是哪个系的?" (Which department is in the big Western building?)

Other mirrors:

* 闭站维护中
* see also the <<github>> one by the same creator, described at <<mirrors>>

No HTTPS?!?! Brains?!?!

* broken HTTPS

Lists of mirrors:


=== Christianity (基督教)

The commies are not a fan. But as someone once told me: the commies are not a fan of a bunch of things!

As mentioned at there are only a few state approved churches under total CCP control, and the others are forbidden. For example one of them is called the[Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association]! God and CCP on the same sentence.[Pope Pius XII] excommunicated people from that organization who were appointing new Bishops!

* 2021-04-01 from <<rfa>> "Chinese Christians Held in Secretive Brainwashing Camps: Sources", due to report of victim under the pseudonyum Li Yuese (李约瑟) from Sichuan. No strong corroboration however unfortunately. Chinese article 2021-03-11
* 2018-12 "100 Christians detained in China crackdown" published by CNN

* 2016 pastor 14 years jail
* 2015

.<<rebel-pepper>> 2018-09 cartoon showing Jesus and the Apostles in the Last Supper being arrested by CCP guards.[Source].

.Cartoon by[Zhang Hongtu] (张宏图) showing <<mao-zedong>> and other communist officials at the[Last Supper] (最后的晚餐[最后的晚餐]) instead of Jesus and the Apostles.[Source].

.Permission papers filled to the brim with government <<seal,stamps>> required for the Taihu Catholic Church (華莊天主堂[太湖天主堂]) from[Wuxi] (无锡市[无锡市]) to hold their annual Christmaséveillon[Reveillon] reunion. This is the <<ccp,CCP>>'s version freedom of religion and freedom of assembly. Also mentioned at: from <<bitter-winter>>.[Source]. TODO original social media post from the church.

.[Golden Lampstand Church] (山西临汾金灯台教堂被强拆/a-42114625[金灯台教堂]) church in <<shanxi>> being demolished in January 2018.[Source].

. Nazi Jew deleted scene from <<life-of-brian-1979>>. If you want to stop <<christianity>>, don't put them in jail like the <<dictatorship,dictators>>. Do it the same way you stop dictators: with <<funny,comedy>>. Otherwise, the dictators remain in power, and <<intolerance,next person in jail, will be you>>. <<the-secret-life-of-brian-2007>> is a good documentary about it.

. "How China uses intimidation, negotiation to bring Christians under its control" by CBC News: The National (2018). Talks about the Pope's deal with the CCP. Shows some good footage of a house church with a guard in front of the door.

==== CCP-Vatican deal (中共-梵蒂冈协议, 2018)


In January 2018, the Church was close to negotiating a deal with China that allows China to have more control over the underground churches and allows the Vatican to have more control over the appointment of bishops. While this did not amount to the establishment of formal diplomatic ties, this was seen as a huge step towards formal recognition.[21] However, Joseph Zen Ze-kiun regarded the warming of diplomatic relationships as selling out the Catholic Church in China, as the process involves the resignation of several bishops of the underground church.

* 2020-09-17 China Is Already Breaking Its Vatican Deal
* 2020-11-24 "Pope says for first time that China's Uighurs are 'persecuted'"

.<<rebel-pepper>> 2018-09 cartoon showing the[Pope Francis] (方濟各_(教宗)[方济各教宗]) with a Christian cross containing the Hammer and Sickle communist symbol, in reference to one of the accords that the Vatican struck with the Chinese government.[Source].

==== Eastern Lightning 全能神教會 (1991-)


A persecuted Christian sect that believes that some Chinese woman is Jesus.

=== Kaifeng Jews


Even with such tiny community, the <<ccp>> is still trying to pretende they never existed.

=== Gay rights (LGBT权利)

Yes, gay people are also <<evil-west,discriminated to different degrees in Western countries>>, and even legally prohibited notably in the Islamic world.

But <<intolerance,like all minorities>>, they are generally more fucked in <<dictatorship,dictatorships>>, since they can be easily crushed by majorities.

Therefore, all gay people must be against the CCP.

See also:

* |中华人民共和国LGBT权益
* |中国同性恋史
* |各地LGBT权利
* at <<zhihu>>
* <<gay-putin>>


* 2021-07-07 "China's Wechat deletes university LGBT accounts" on <<wechat>>
* 2020-08-14 "Shanghai Pride cancelled after 11 years in blow to China's LGBT community". "
Organisers are 'taking a break from scheduling any future events', they say in social media message".
** the Tweet: "上海骄傲节终止所有活动" (Shanhai Pride will be stopping all activities)
* 2020-01-07 "Why is China raising the prospect of same-sex marriage?"
* 2018 <<weibo>> temporary homosexual ban:
** 2018-04-16 "China's Weibo reverses ban on 'homosexual' content after outcry", hashtags `#iamgay` and `#iamgaynotapervert`
** 2018-04-13
* 2017-07-16 "Chinese gay video ban sparks online backlash"
** 2017-06-30 "New Rules for Online Videos in China: "No Displays of Homosexuality""
* 2016-03-04 "China bans depictions of gay people on television". One of the most prominent series banned was link:++[Addicted (2016, 上瘾)].
.Widely distributed still from the Addicted 2016 series which was banned showing a presumably gay couple lying in bed.[Source].

.Lesbian couple kissing in <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square>> with Mao's painting and confused/disgusted guards in the background who are likely about to call their superiors to ask what they should do. The photo likely surfaced in 2006[as mentioned] in link:++[] which said it came form[Boing Boing]. It was not however picked up by any major website. Ciro actually thought this could have been ripped from some television series due to the amazing expression on the guards' faces. TODO: find the original Chinese source, translate the watermarks, and see if their identity is known. Another one can be seen at:[] under the title "fully automated lesbians" which is a subset of "Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism". TODO origin. What is that uniform?[Source].

.<<throne,Qing dynasty>> (18th–19th c.) panel from a scroll showing two men engaging in foreplay, apparently located in the[Kinsey Institute] as of 2005. For an ancient depiction of heterosexual sexual activity, see <<jin-ping-mei,this image>>.[Source].

.Lesbian couple hugging in Shanghai in the 1930s. The woman on the left might have had polio based on the deformity of their right leg. TODO proper source, could not find one on Google reverse image search.[Source].

=== MeToo



They seem to have had difficulty in expressing themselves due to <<censorship>>, unsurprisingly.

* Zhou Xiaoxuan v. TV anchor Zhu Jun
* Liu Jingyao v. billionaire Liu Qiangdong
* Zou Sicong and He Qian v. Deng Fei

Related <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>:


Related <<twitter>>:



* 2021-04-20 "Chinese feminists are being silenced by nationalist trolls. Some are fighting back" mentions Liang Xiaomen, Xiao Meili and Zheng Churan

=== Labour rights (劳工权益)

On more case where <<censorship-makes-it-harder-to-solve-social-problems>>:

* Mengzhu TODO Chinese name 2021:

2021-03-02 ([Chinese version]) "Chinese food delivery worker detained after campaigning for labor rights":

Chinese authorities have detained a worker after he advocated for fair pay and other labor rights from his former employer, the food delivery giant

Chen Tianhe (陳天河) has not been heard from since he was detained on Feb. 25, according to mainland Chinese media reports.

* 2021-06-09 Protests held after it was announced that Nanjing University (C9 league, China's Ivy League) would be merged with a vocational institute (much much less prestigious)
** Normal University's Zhongbei College
** scuffle videos
* 2020 City Dream film (城市梦) Weijun Chen's (陈为军) lively new film documents the struggles of Wang Tiancheng, an elderly and cantakerous street vendor in Wuhan, China, whose business is threatened by the development of a new retail district.
** 2021 New Film Turns the Tables on China’s Infamous 'Chengguan' (城管)
** not censured in China:
***城市梦/23578924 on <<baidu-baike>>
*** on <<xinhua>>

==== 996.ICU (2019)

Repository published in 2019-04 protesting against excessive work hours by Chinese programmers.

At some point it moved its README to English.

This was not directly censored to our knowledge, but the fact that it was published on GitHub rather than Chinese social media highlights the obvious fact that Chinese programmers were weary of doing it under CCP controlled media which they do not trust.

The project name refers to:

* "996": work from 9AM to 9PM 6 days a week. This is part of a wider tendency of Chinese netizens to use <<internet-number-slang>>
* "ICU":[Intensive Care Unit]

Reached 180k stars in a week, and was the second most starred repository as of 2019-10[] ([archive])!!!

This is therefore the best example for Chinese tech workers that <<richer,freedom of speech is a good thing>>.




* a whitelist version of 996 ICU. Good thoughts.

Other interesting GitHub repositories: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>.

.996.ICU logo.[Source].

==== Jasic Workers Solidarity Group (佳士工人声援团, 2018)

<<yue-xin>> was also involved with them.

.Yue Xin with the Jasic <<t-shirt,T-shirt>>. That T-shirt is official to the movement, and can be seen worn by many other people in other photos. TODO what does their T-shirt say??? It is impossible to decode that beautiful script. Looks like: 伺伭就X刀量. And who are the people it depicts? A perfectly clean image can be seen on their Twitter:[].

===== Jasic incident (佳士事件)


==== Yue Xin (岳昕) is a <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>> with an open letter by student activist:

*[Yue Xin]
* on <<chinese-human-rights-defenders>>

about the events described at["China's #MeToo: How a 20-Year-Old Rape Case Became a Rallying Cry"] she accuses professor Shen Yang of the Peking University Chinese literature of raping student Gao Yan, ultimately leading to her suicide in 1998:

*岳昕:致北京大学师生和北大外国语学院的一封公开信.md Chinese original
* in-tree translation "Yue Xin: An open letter to the students and academic staff of Peking University and the PKU School of Foreign Languages"
* 2018-04 "TRANSLATION: OPEN LETTER ON PKU #METOO CASE" by <<china-digital-times>>

This was one of the starting points of <<terminus2049>>.

The letter was also apparently embedded into the <<bitcoin-blockchain,Ethereum blockchain>> according to[].

== Russia (俄罗斯)

Russia is clearly the number 2 <<dictatorship>> in the world by population / GDP and the link:[#1 nuclear arsenal], so here we go.

Ciro has always been curious about how Russia can be both oppressive and a appear democratic, unlike China which doesn't even try to pretend. This is what he gathers:

* the government controls all major media. If any media says bad things against them, the government finds pretexts to create lawsuits or increase taxes against such companies. Therefore all people end up thinking that the government is good.
* just like China, <<evil-west,they emphasize the threat of the foreign countries>>, especially the US, as a justification for having an oppressive power.
* the government puts pressure on any significant opposition candidate. One technique is to find some reason to put them in jail for two months, which by Russian law forbids them from participating in further elections. Only candidates that don't really stand a chance are left as a fake opposition. But if you reach some prominence, you start taking the same risks as politicians, although you are more likely to face more brutal illegal gangster violence threats as you are less visible

See also: <<communist-youth-league>>

While we are at it, some interesting news:

* 2019-12-14 "Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet". Russia's <<gfw>> is ready?
* 2018-04 "Russia to block Telegram app over encryption"
* 2017 Russia Jehovah's Witnesses banned after they lose appeal
* 2017
* 2016
* 1995 Vladislav Listyev

The Russians have very different style to the Chinese, who are much more subtle, and just put people in jail or handicap them in several ways without killing them.

Other political murders or attempts:

* 2015 Boris Nemtsov Немцов, Борис Ефимович |Немцов,_Борис_Ефимович

Some other interesting political suppression lists:

*[list of journalists killed in Russia] (Список_журналистов,_убитых_в_России[Список журналистов, убитых в России]).
*[List of Soviet and Russian assassinations]
* 2017 "Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways"

Freedom of speech reports:

* 2017-07-18 "Online and On All Fronts Russia's Assault on Freedom of Expression" from <<human-rights-watch>>

Other random stuff:

* <<seventeen-moments-of-spring>>

=== Federal List of Extremist Materials (Федеральный список экстремистских материалов)


<<censorship-monitoring,Unlike the Chinese>>, they have a public list, each entry had a numerical ID even. This is the best thing ever made! The dream for <<keyword-attack,keyword attackers>>!

Most of it appears to be anti/<<nazi>>, and notably anti-anti-semitic but several items are purely political anti-freedoms.

One wonders if the majority of the items are just fillers to hide the really juicy anti-freedom ones.

We need to make a <<github>> mirror of all of those some day!

The list:[] Here's an archive:[]. The website has a CSV for download with all entries at the bottom. Enca says the encoding is "MS-Windows code page 1251", convert to UTF-8 with:

iconv -f WINDOWS-1251 -t UTF-8//IGNORE export.csv

`//IGNORE` is needed because their fucking CSV export has a bug and otherwise `iconv` stops at the first error.

Result at:

From this we can grep, and then to overcome translation limits as there is no offline option yet:[], dump your selection on a gist and use Google translate on the Gist.

A website "dedicated" to bypassing censorship of the list:[]. TODO much of that website's content is not clearly marked as being on the list.

Some notable additions:

* 2791: "Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within" by <<litvinenko>>
* Religion
** 1171, 1172, 1173: "What is Scientology", which likely refers to this L. Ron Hubbard book.[] and two other books. Coverage:
** 2904: Jehovah's Witnesses website[]. Coverage:
* Ukraine due to <<russo-ukrainian-war>>
** 2596: A. M. Byvshev's poem "Ukrainian patriots", where he disagreed with Russian intervention in Donbass and supported military resistance by Ukrainians.
** searching for "суда" (Crimea) has dozens of hits
* Anti-Putin and apparently non hate-crime:
** 1000:
*** Leaflets with the following content: "Down with the power of the Cheka-nuty Putin and Medvedev", "Down with the power of the Cheka-nuty Putin"
*** Листовки следующего содержания: «Долой власть ЧК-нутых Путина и Медведева», «Долой власть ЧК-нутого Путина»
** 4071: <<gay-putin>>
** 4914:
*** The book "Where did Mr. Putin take Russia?" author Yu.E. Kozenkov (M., 2005 - 208 p.)
*** "Книга «Куда завел Россию мистер Путин?» автор Ю.Е. Козенков (М., 2005 – 208 с.)

==== Roskomnadzor (Роскомнадзор)


The Russian censorship body under <<putin>>. The Russian <<cac>>.

They are the ones who make Russian takedowns on <<github-gov-takedowns>>, e.g.

=== Putin (Путин, 普京, 1999-2008, 2012-∞)



* 2020-12-22 "Russia's Putin signs bill giving ex-presidents lifetime immunity". Shit is going down.
* 2019-12-19: Putin proposes abolishing term limits. <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,Learnt from Xi>>:
** 2020-03-25 vote delayed due to <<covid>>
* 2014 Putin khuylo!

Notable dissidents:

* |Лимонов,_Эдуард_Вениаминович Can't Get You Out of My Head S01E06 "Are We Pigeon Or Are We Dancer" highlights the fact that Putin came to power without a vision, without ideals and without personality. He was clearly just put there by the corrupt oligarchs who controlled the media as an administrator who would favor corruption.

. Russian Youtuber Bashir Dokhov puts Putin portrait in a lift as an opinion poll. TODO evidence that it was not staged, e.g. address, identities of people shown. But in any case, Ciro does feel that as of 2020 Putin's power is very precarious compared to <<xi-jinping>> for example. E.g., whenever Ciro spoke to Russians abroad, they were all able to criticize Putin. But about on third to half of the Chinese abroad were completely brainwahsed and thought China has the best government possible. Original video:[].

==== Putin-sponsored poisonings

Russia apparently has a long list of poisoning political enemies:

* 2020 <<the-poisoning-of-alexei-navalny-2020>>
* 2018 <<skripal>>
* 2012 Alexander Perepilichny Перепеличный, Александр Юрьевич |Перепеличный,_Александр_Юрьевич
* 2006 <<litvinenko>>
* 2006 Anna Politkovskaya Анна Политковская |Политковская,_Анна_Степановна Interview excerpt:
* 2004 Viktor Yushchenko Ющенко, Виктор Андреевич |Ющенко,_Виктор_Андреевич


*[Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services] (link:++Токсикологическая_лаборатория_НКВД_—_НКГБ_—_МГБ++[Токсикологическая лаборатория НКВД — НКГБ — МГБ])

==== Superputin

Meme partially supported by Putin himself, showing how physically strong and <<gay-putin,manly>> the president is. A form of <<ccp-cult,personality cult>>.

Similar to[Chuck Norris facts].

"Putin does manly things" photo galleries:

* 2017-06-07 ([archive])


* 2017-12-07 'SUPERPUTIN' exhibition gives Russian leader a pop-art make over

.Putin swims Butterfly stroke in a Siberian lake around August 2009. The Telegraph[correctly interpreted this as a sign that he would be re-elected in 2012]. For reference[Lake Baikal in Siberia has a maximum temperature of 14 °C in summer]. Other dictators have used similar swim tactics before, the most notable possibly being <<mao-swim>>.[Source].

.Putin riding a horse shirtless[near Lake Seliger in August 2009].[Source].

.Putin riding a bear.[Source].

.Putin riding a shark.[Source].

.Putin riding a giant eagle.[Source].

.Putin riding a meteor.[Source].

.Putin riding a dinosaur in a Sci-Fi planet.[Source].

. "RASPUTIN - Vladimir Putin - Love The Way You Move (Funk Overload) @slocband" by Pace Audio (2016). Somewhere in the 2010's the[Rasputin 1978 song] by[Boney M.] saw a[meme resurgence] by adapting the song to refer to Vladmir Putin instead of the original song's originally intended[Grigori Rasputin]. This video adds amazing cute animations of Russian scientists trying to create the perfect funk dancing machine, and highlights the <<superputin>> meme as Putin himself is the perfect dancing machine in the end.

. Putin is number one greatest president song by Animation Domination High Def (2014). Good graphics, but the song is crap unlike the Rasputin one unfortunately. Many <<gay-putin>> suggestions.

===== Night wolves (Ночные волки)


Russian ultra-nationalist and motorcycle group supported by Putin.

Notably, they have made large incredibly cheesy Putin supported music/theatrical/stunt shows to revive Russian nationalism.

Mentioned at "Can't Get You Out of My Head - Part 6: Are We Pigeon? Or Are We Dancer?"

Sample show on <<russia-today>>:

==== Gay Putin (Гей Путинt, 2017)

Added to the <<federal-list-of-extremist-materials>>.


* 2017

<<gay-rights,Homosexuality>> is not super popular in Russia in general:

* 2013 Russian gay propaganda law (2013) forbids the favorable depiction of homosexuality to minors

.The possibly Gay Putin (Гей Путинt) clown image banned in 2017.[Source].

.Gay Putin (Гей Путинt) with Gay[Medvedev] (ГейМедведев,_Дмитрий_Анатольевич[Медведев]). This image was used as a poster in the 34th Berlin Christopher Street Day parade in 2012, the German version of the[Gay Pride parade] (骄傲游行[骄傲游行]).[Source].

.Possibly Gay Putin kissing possibly Gay <<flg-trump,Trump>> mural entitled[Make Everything Great Again] painted in Lithuania in 2016 by by artists Dominykas Čečkauskas and Mindaugas Bonanu. It references the[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections]. It was[later vandalized]. Now we just need a Putin <<xi-jinping>> kiss. Trump Xi kiss[can be found here].[Source].

. SUPER GAY PUTIN [original] by Squallido Anal Smithee (2014)

. What Putin thinks about gays by BBC News (2014) ahead of the Sochi Olympics. Basically he says we don't discriminate against gays. We passed this law that prevents them from promoting themselves. But that's mostly a anti-pedophilia law to start with, gays will be fine.

==== The poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal Серге́й Ви́кторович Скрипáль (2018-03-04)


For more poisonings see: <<putin-sponsored-poisonings>>.

In 4 March 2018, the Russian double agent and his daughter were poisoned with[Novichok agent] (Новичок_(отравляющие_вещества)[Новичо́к]), a Soviet-era nerve agent, which was likely put on their front door knob in[Salisbury, UK], exact address[Christie Miller Road]! Straight out of a spy novel.

On 30 June 2018, the man of an unlucky drug addict couple found the counterfeit expensive looking[Nina Ricci] Premier Jour perfume bottle containing the poison, and gave it to the woman who died. How unlucky can you fucking be, as if heavy drug addiction weren't enough, you still have to deal with fucking Russian Novichok!

.The assassination suspects Alexander Mishkin (Алекса́ндр Евге́ньевич Ми́шкин, alias Alexander Petrov) and Anatoliy Chepiga (Анатолий Владимирович Чепига, alias Ruslan Boshirov) in a CCTV still at Salisbury Station on 3rd March 2018 the day before the assassination. Both GRU and Alexander being a doctor, which is consistent with a poisoning assassination attempt. They later explained on an RT interview that they were visiting the[world renowned Salisbury Cathedral] in their 3 day trip to the UK, and that they <<gay-putin,were not gay>>. Some Western sources interpreted this as an intentional suggestion that they are gay, which for many Russians would imply that they cannot be FSB agents.[Source].

.Counterfeit Nina Ricci Premier Jour packet that contained the Novichok.[Source].

. "Full Skripal case interview with the UK's suspects (EXCLUSIVE)" by RT with Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov. Not gay moment at:[461s].

==== Electoral fraud in Russian elections

Besides barring opposition from participating such as <<alexei-navalny>>, electoral fraud was off the charts:

. 2019-09-12 CCTV footage of Vasily Dyachenko (Василий Дьяченко), who had reported electoral fraud concerns regional 2019 elections, getting surprise punched in the stomach at the St. Petersburg polling station 1619, while the police who is right in front of it do nothing about it. English coverage:

. 2018-03-18 alleged[ballot stuffing electoral fraud] caught on CCTV in Lyubertsy, Moscow Oblast
video::3oSeRyaFllY[youtube,height=400,width=600] Мусора избили ребёнка и наблюдателей на выборах TODO find English version


* Golos (Голос) is the main independent election monitor organization in Russia:

==== The murder of Alexander Litvinenko (Литвиненко, Александр Вальтерович, 2006)


Poisoned with polonium-210, for more poisonings see: <<putin-sponsored-poisonings>>:

* 2006-10-29
** meets with two former FSB agents Dmitry Kovtun and Andrey Lugovoy at Millenium Hotel London TODO exact address
** eats with[Mario Scaramella] at an Itsu in London TODO exact address. <<ciro-santilli>> believes the[Itsu] food to be the real cause of death.
* 2006-11-01 falls ill
* 2006-11-03 admitted into hospital
* 2006-11-23 dies
* 2007-01-26 UK police says they had found a teapot at Millenium Hotel containing extremely high Poloninum-210 traces
* 2010-12 US leaked cables show that Dmitry Kovtun left "positive traces" of radioactive polonium-210 in Germany before departing for Britain

His 2002 book[Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within] (ФСБ_взрывает_Россию[ФСБ взрывает Россию: Федеральная служба безопасности — организатор террористических актов, похищений и убийств]) accuses the FSB of setting up false flag bombing operations, and figures on the <<federal-list-of-extremist-materials>>.

.Litvinenko in his death bed.

==== Mandatory registration of bloggers (2014)

Bloggers with more than 3000 daily readers must register and cannot be anonymous.

The following Chinese policies come to mind:

* <<icp-license>>
* <<anonymous-accounts-ban>>

=== Putin opposition



*[Yegor Zhukov]: 2020-08-31 "Yegor Zhukov: Leading Russian opposition blogger beaten up", good photo of swallen face

==== NFKRZ

Real name: Roman Albertovich Abalin.

YouTube channel:

More information:

Interesting videos:

* "Why You Shouldn't Trust RT (Russia Today)" (2020). Douh!!!!!! <<russia-today>>
* <<my-paranoia-as-a-russian-youtuber>> talks about the <<chilling-effect>>

==== Alexei Navalny (Навальный, Алексей Анатольевич)


Casually barred from the 2018 presidential campaign:


His Wiki page does say one thing of interest though, he has right wing tendencies which scared off liberals:

The BBC noted in a profile of Navalny that his endorsement of a political campaign called "Stop feeding the Caucasus" and his willingness to speak at ultra-nationalist events "have caused concern among liberals".

This video of his might have been added to the <<federal-list-of-extremist-materials>>, wiki:[], coverage: but I can't find where it is in the list exactly.




* 2021-04-16 "Russian prosecutors move to liquidate Navalny’s ‘extremist’ movement"

===== The poisoning of Alexei Navalny (2020)


For more poisonings see: <<putin-sponsored-poisonings>>.

The second one! The first one was in 2019, but this one is more serious, the German government said tests confirmed it unequivocally that it was Novichok, which was also recently used in <<skripal>>.

* 2020-12-28 "Russia's ultimatum to Navalny: Return immediately or face jail
Russia's prison service accuses Kremlin critic of violating terms of his suspended prison sentence by staying abroad"
* 2020-12-13 more news are coming:
** indicates the names of 8 suspects. They had phone metadata for them including geolocation. How did they get that data???
** "Navalny poisoning: Russia made second assassination attempt - report". Says British intelligence told that to The Times, paywall "Revealed: Kremlin made a second attempt to poison Alexei Navalny in botched assassination". TODO any further evidence? WTF they reveal to a paywall newspaper?
** Navalny's video accusing people who he belieaves poisoned him
* 2020-10-18 60 Minutes interview, they flew over to Germany to interview him. He looks normal.
* 2020-09-05 "Alexei Navalny: Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning"
President Donald Trump has refused to condemn Russia over the poisoning of opposition figure Alexei Navalny, saying he has not seen proof.

He said the case was "tragic" but urged reporters to focus instead on China, which he said was a bigger threat to the world than Russia.
Even after Germany and NATO said it was Novichok for sure... He must be <<putin-trump-kiss,sucking Putin's cock>> to have more nukes pointed against China, or maybe with some cyberhacking for the reelection campaign. Perhaps not a bad strategy, but does completely disregard human rights. Do <<violence,the ends justify the means>>?
+ Pompeo then condemned.
2020-09-14: laboratories in France and Sweden independently confirmed:
* 2020-09-04 good timeline of events so far
* 2020-09-02 "Aleksei Navalny Was Poisoned With Novichok, Germany Says". Tests done on a military weapons facility, which the German government said was based on "unequivocal evidence".
* 2020-08-24 "Alexei Navalny: Putin critic 'probably poisoned' - doctors"

He was forcibly kept in Russia for a few days to make the poison effect undetectable before they allowed him to be flown to Berlin.

Several policemen prevented family access to him while in Russia.

First doctors told family he was poisoned, but then soon after they changed their minds to some random excuse.

Poison effects consistent with[cholinesterase inhibitors], but the exact substance was not identified in tests.

.Photo published on <<alexei-navalny,Navalny>>'s Twitter on 2020-09-15 of him sitting awake in a hospital bed in Germany with his family.[Source].

==== 2020 Khabarovsk Krai protests (Протесты в Хабаровском крае)


In support to[Sergei Furgal] (Фургал,_Сергей_Иванович[Фургал, Сергей Иванович]).

=== Russian state media

==== Russia Today (RT, Russian state media)


=== Soviet Union

==== Censorship of images in the Soviet Union

.Before/after comparison of picture of Stalin with Nikolai Yezhov at the Moscow Canal censored circa 1940. Nikolai was edited out form the second picture. (Credit: Fine Art Images/Heritage Images/Getty Images & AFP/GettyImages)[Source].

.Above: a meeting of the St. Petersburg chapter of the Union of Struggle for the Liberation of the Working Class in February 1897, including Lenin and Alexander Malchenko.[Source]. Belos: same as above, but with Alexander Malchenko edited out. link:++[Source].

==== Soviet Union radio stations (苏联苏联无线电干扰)

Ah, the good old days <<gfw,before the TCP/IP>>, when you could just jam around a border ;-) has good images.

.Soviet vertical curtain array of antennas for radio jamming in the 1960s vs Jingjing from <<jingjing-chacha>>.[Source].

==== Soviet Union propaganda

* Animated Soviet Propaganda American Imperialist The Millionaire COLD WAR CARTOON. Tells the story of a dog that inherited a lot of money from his deceased rich owner.

==== Agitprop


=== Stalin (斯大林, 1922-1952)

.[Light Yagami] from[Death Note]: "I can kill anyone by simply writing his name here". Stalin: "Bitch please".[Source].

. "Rasputin vs Stalin." Epic Rap Battles of History YouTube video. This is fire.[Explanations].

=== Russo-Ukrainian War (2014-)

* link:++Російсько-українська_війна_(з_2014)++[]

==== Mykola Semena (Семена Микола Михайлович)


Ukrainian, worked for <<rferl>> previously, and published against the annexation of Ukrainian territories. from <<human-rights-watch>> suggests that one of her articles was added to the <<federal-list-of-extremist-materials>>, possibly "Blockade–the Necessary First Step for Liberation of Crimea", but I can't find the entry.

=== Anti Russia dictatorship sources


==== Radio Free Europe (Радио_«Свобода»)



USA funded sister media of the <<rfa>>.

=== Mini-Russias

==== Belarus

The dictator:[Alexander Lukashenko]. Close ties to his buddy <<putin>>.[2020 Belarusian protests].

.The Moscow-Minsk friendship mural in Minsk (capital of Belarus), originally meant to show the harmonious alliance between Belarus and Russia, was defaced in 2016 by adding barbed wire amidst the flowers held and worn by the boy and girl which represent Russia and Belarus respectively, which indicates that the friendship is actually a prison for Belarus. <<dictatorships-tend-to-work-together>> comes to mind. Photo by Aleh Larychau. Upload[on Wikimedia Commons] deleted because of the lack of[Freedom of panorama in Belarus].[].

==== Kazakhstan

. "How Much Do You Know About The Real Kazakhstan?" by Journeyman Pictures (2016) shows how Western leaders turn a blind eye to Kazakhstan's dictator at the time,[Nursultan Nazarbayev], because they have oil and are willing to cooperate with the West on the war in Afghanistan. In 2019 he was replaced by[Kassym-Jomart Tokayev], gotta learn more about the new one. Includes interviews with[Pamela L. Spratlen], an US diplomat, where she diplomatically refuses to say anything meaningful.

=== Dictatorships tend to work together (独裁政权倾向于合作)

Dictatorships naturally become allies.

The thing a dictatorship is afraid more than anything is of their own citizens, and therefore that they might be influenced by democracies to rebel against the oppression.

For this reason, the world basically always tumbles into a dictatorship vs democracy global war.

Also, since dictatorships don't need to convince their people of anything, they tend to make such alliances much faster.

But this presents a serious dilemma to dictatorships, because you can't really trust the other dictator either, as they are just waiting to put a knife behind your back at all times.

This leads to constant tensions between allied dictatorships, e.g. <<russia>> vs China:

* 2020-07-02 "Why Russia's Vladivostok celebration prompted a nationalist backlash in China" on <<scmp>>

This creates one of the most serious strategic problems faced by dictatorships. It is similar situation with organized crime.

And of course, when a smaller dictatorship makes an alliance with a larger dictatorship, they basically immediately become a[vassal state], e.g.:

* <<belarus>> and <<russia>>, see: <<moscow-minsk-friendship-mural>>.
* China and:
** <<iran>>, see: <<china-iran-relations>>
** <<pakistan>>, who is more afraid of India than China right now
* Africa
** "Zambia: Under Chinese influence" by FRANCE 24 English (2021)

==== Anti-dictatorship alliances

===== Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (對華政策跨國議會聯盟, 2020)


== Thailand (泰国)

It is a crime to criticize the royal family (Lèse majesté):


As[Terry Gilliam] brilliantly says in the <<the-secret-life-of-brian-2007>>[]:

I was always convinced that there is no where you should't go. There are no[sacred cows]. And if there are, if they are really sacred, let's see how much we puncture them and see if they still float.

Or in other words:

Vajiralongkorn, you little piece of shit, grow some balls and learn how to take an insult. A man who cannot take an insult is not a man, but a big pussy.

Everyone who has political power must know how to be laughed at criticized, otherwise <<dictatorship,dicatorship>> follows:

* 2020-08-24 "After restricting a group critical of Thailand's monarchy, Facebook says it will take legal action against the government"
* 2017-05-17 "As Thai monarch Maha Vajiralongkorn attempts to sue Facebook over photos posted online, we look at the wacky royal's bizarre life" TODO real? Erm, video by 60-minutes Australia:
** 2015
** Topless wife birthday celebration video:


* Rap Against Dictatorship
** "‘Rap Against Dictatorship' artist arrested in Thailand", artist Dechathorn Bamrungmuang arrested

.Side-by-side comparison between[Thai King Vajiralongkorn] and[Hamtaro]. This is the Thai version of <<winnie-the-pooh>>. It[has been used by protesters] as part of the[2020 Thai protests]. Left[photo source].

.Leading Thai politicians prostrate themselves before Vajiralongkorn in 2016, presumably during his ascension to the throne.[Source].

.Suthida Tidjai, Vajiralongkorn's wife, prostrated before him during their marriage in 2016 before he officially ascended to the throne. Yes, prostration is a big thing in Thailand. An older king, Rama V, had apparently even[abolished this practice in 1873]. Clearly, <<xi-jinping>> could learn a thing or two from a proper monarch like Vajiralongkorn.[Source].

.Thai king Vajiralongkorn wearing a[crop top] so tight that it could be called a[bra], and accompanied by one of his many girlfriends, in a shopping center in Munich. He can wear whatever the fuck wants, but to both wear that and enforce Lèse majesté? That's the ultimate torture for the Thai people, how can you not make fun of him??? TODO date, exact location, original report. Here is one of the many reports,[sample report from 2017 in a British tabloid].

=== Milk Tea Alliance (奶茶联盟)



* 2021-04-08 <<twitter>> launches official support campaign for the Milk Tea Alliance:

== Middle East (中东)

=== Iran (伊朗)


First, never forget about the American-British <<iranian-coup-1953>> which took down a democracy. They deserve everything they got from it.

Now let's criticize the Iranian dictatorships that this possibly created.

* Ayatollah Tanasoli

==== 1953 Iranian coup d'état (TPAJAX Project, Operation Ajax, 1953年伊朗政變)


Yes, this was a <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect,a major fuck up of the West>>.

==== China-Iran relations


Superset: <<dictatorships-tend-to-work-together>>.

* 2021
* 2019-09 Is Iran At Risk Of Becoming A Chinese Colony?

=== Pakistan (巴基斯坦)


Pakistan has become a vassal state to China essentially, because China is an ally against their worse enemy: <<india>>.

One day, Pakistan might regret this. Supporting a neighboring dictatorship. What will happen when the <<war,dictatorship starts its expansionism>>?


* <<pakistan-prime-minister-xinjiang>>

=== Libya (利比亚)

*利比亚 HyperNormalisation by Adam Curtis (2016) starting at timestamp 50:30 comments on how the United States made Colonel Gaddafi into a fictional supervillain scapegoat, to cover up for their failures in Lebanon, starting by blaming the[1985 Rome and Vienna airport attacks] on Libya with great certainty, although Italian secret services said it was Syria who was behind it. Gaddafi then did not deny his involvement, and instead used that publicity to bolster his position as a "world revolutionary", including helping the <<racist-west,liberation of blacks in the United States>> through armed struggle.

In 1986, the USA also accused Libya of the[West Berlin discotheque bombing], once again against European intelligence, and this time the USA decided to retaliate as internal political pressure to "do something" increased.

==== The Green Book


Gadaffi's <<little-red-book>>.

== Spain (西班牙)

* h

=== tsunamidemocratic GitHub takedown (2019)

TODO which repo was taken down exactly?

== India (伊朗)


=== India COVID handling Twitter suppression (2021)

<<india>> asked <<twitter>> to take down some Twetts criticizing its handling of <<covid,COVID>>.


=== Indian farmers' protest censorship (2021)


Via <<twitter>>:


=== Porkalathil Oru Poo (2915 documentary about Tamil broadcaster Isaipriya)


== Military dictatorship in Brazil (巴西军事独裁, 1964-1985)


<<ciro-santilli>> is Brazillian, and his parents lived through this dictatorship.

Created with the help of... the <<united-states>>, while fighting the Cold War to prevent the spread of Communism.[Fear is the mind killer], and the Cold War served as an excuse for many atrocities, notably in the <<middle-east>>.

One of Ciro's favorite stories about the dictatorship is how cake recipes or classicalís_de_Camões[Luís_de_Camões (1524-1580)] poetry were introduced in newspapers to replace news that had been <<censorship,censored>> in the last minute:

* (pt)

Who would have thought that even the limiting and ancient limitations of[pagination] would have their usefulness!!! Today's Chinese censors have it easy, as they can just remove the stuff and that damned HTML reflow automatically to fit. "These photos sparked a Cold War propaganda feud" by Vox (2021). CCP you should learn from this Brazillian magazine.


. Apesar de Você (In spite of you [the Dictatorship])] by[Chico Buarque] (1970) with English and Spanish subtitles. That video unfortunately mixes anti-dictatorship and anti-Bolsonaro (2020) imagery. A video with better epoch image but no English subtitles can be found at:[]. This is one of the many anti-Brazilian-dictatorship songs of the time, and Ciro really enjoys it.[Lyrics with translation]. Top quotes: "You [the dictatorship] who invented this State, who invented sin, forgot to invent forgiveness." and "Where will you hide, from the enormous euphoria [of a revolution]? How will you prohibit it when the rooster insists in singing?". Slideshows with that song have been made for several events, e.g.[the Syrian civil war], and Ciro would like to do a China-themed one as well one day.

.[Jornal da Tarde] (Afternoon Newspaper) issue entitled on top "Os problemas da imprensa livre nas Américas" (The problems of the Free Press), followed by small rectangles with coverage of several countries such as the USA, Cuba, and others, but not Brazil. The bottom half of the page however hilariously contains recipes for "Doces" (Sweets) and "Salgados" (Salted dishes, especially'oeuvre[Hors d'oeuvre]), instead of the presumed coverage about Brazil. Possibly dated 1973 based on the top of the image.[Source].

.1974 edition of the nespaper[O Estado de Sao Paulo] with a copy of some verses ofíadas[Os Lusíadas] in the middle of the front page, replacing material that was censored on the last minute. Os Lusiadas was written in 1572 and the most important epic poem of the Portuguese language. It is also of course completely irrelevant to anything to do with modern politics of the 1970's. <<ciro-santilli>> believes however that a related phenomena happens in China in the early 21st century: there is an incredible number of period dramas in Chinese television and cinema. Ciro believes that this is in part because it would be much harder to offend the <<censorship,CCP censors>> with this kind of old source material. Of course, the effect is that <<dictatorships-are-bad-for-the-arts>>.[Source].

== United States (美国)

Major violations:

* <<israel>>

=== Iraq War (2003-2011, 伊拉克战争)


This had purely political/strategic motivations. They had to fake intelligence in order to justify the war by saying that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction:

* Katharine Gun
**[Official Secrets (2019)]

=== Israel (以色列)


Israel is a military base for the <<united-states>> to protect oil reserves in the Middle East.

A popular and in <<ciro-santilli>>'s view reasonable analogy of the situation is with the apartheid:


Clearly, the best solution for the region as of 2021 would be to just give the[West Bank] to the Palestinians:

As of July 2017 it has an estimated population of 2,747,943 Palestinians, and approximately 391,000 Israeli settlers,

For comparison, the population os Israel in 2020 was 9 million people, 20% Arab.

Just look at the map of the 2017 Oslo accords: Clearly Palestinians are split into dozens of small islands, while Israel controls one big sea of territory around them all. It is ridiculous.

And the settler population just keeps increasing:

Basically every single country supports that resolution, except the United States due to their strategic interests, and other rich Western countries that would lose too much by fighting the US over it:[]. Even human rights organizations from those countries recognize that:

* 2021 In Pictures: Global protests in solidarity with Palestinians
* 2020 "What Americans think about the looming Israeli annexation and Trump’s Middle East plan". Even the average American citizen (from amongst the ones that know about anything about the situation) does not agree with the current situation. But of course:[Governments have lost all power to companies], so nothing happens.

Europe mumbles something about "stop being naughty Israeal, I'll make an Embargo". But these never lead anywhere, because the United States has laws that prohibit Israel embargoes, and as a result this would force removal of US investments in any European country that creates such embargo. And as mentioned at Europe is too divided to do anything about anything compared to the United States, and so nothing ever gets done:

* 2020 "Europeans Pushing to Boycott Israel Over Annexation Should Think Twice". This article actually supports human rights violations over economic concerns
* 2020 MPs press for sanctions against Israel over West Bank annexations.
* 2019 from <<human-rights-watch>>

The correct solution for this would be to actually force Israel to give the entire West Bank to Palestine, not only through sanctions, but also through military action supporting the independent West Bank state. But of course, it would never come to that. The USA needs Israel as a military base in the region. And if the USA would stop support, Israel would ally itself with China or Russia, as they'd be fucked without external support. Israeli settlers in the West Bank would then have a choice of staying under the new government, possibly obtaining Palestine citizenship, or moving back to Israel.


* "Why Israel does not want a sovereign Palestinian state"
* The Israel-Palestine conflict: a brief, simple history by Vox (2016)

== Falun Gong (法轮功, Qigong religion)


<<flg-religion,Religion>> created in the '80s by a Chinese dude called <<li-hongzhi>>.

With the support of the Communist Party to Qigong movements, it reached 70 million believers in 1999, at which point the commies decided they had to be shut down and banned the religion.

Li fled to the USA and lives near New York, where he continues to run the religion as of 2020.


* <<the-falungong-phenomenon-by-hu-ping-2003>>

.<<falun-gong>> believer arrested by police in Beijing <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square>> in 2000-01-10.[Source].

.Police steps over <<falun-gong>> believer's face in 2000 at Tiananmen. This images was,16641,20010702,00.html[on the cover of the July 2, 2001 cover of Time Magazine "Crushing Falun Gong"].[Source].

.[Tim and Eric]'s Zone Theory. If you want to stop <<falun-gong>>, don't put them in jail like the <<dictatorship,dictators>>. Do it the same way you stop dictators: with <<funny,comedy>>. Otherwise, the dictators remain in power, and <<intolerance,next person in jail, will be you>>.

.[Tim and Eric]'s The Universe. Basically the same as <<zone-theory>> but from the believer's perspective. Source a popular mind blown meme:

. YouTubber under pseudonym "Aarvoll" (TODO full real name, face shown in channel all the time) tells about his experience playing trumpet for Shen Yun in 2013 as a non-believer and Falun Gong in general. Reading the sacred books and doing Falun Gong exercises were mandatory. He also talks about <<flg-organized>>. Ciro agrees/finds what he says convincing. In one interesting anecdote, he tells how although Li Hongzhi claims to be a God, he looked like an average slightly overweight dude, and had a trumpet since he used to play it, but couldn't really play it because he hadn't practiced in so long. He also comments on the obvious fact that Li does not speak English very well, e.g. on the Shen Yun tour bus he was there one day answering questions, and a translator was needed.

. Christine Marie, founder of[Voices for Dignity] which takes care of[FLDS] leaves, was interviewed in VICE documentary "Polygamist Mafia: Escaping The Kingston Clan". While Ciro does not believe Falun Gong is as extreme as FLDS, he does really like the things Christine says. E.g., she calls "cult leaders" with the neutral <<flg-religion,religious>> form "<<li-hongzhi,prophet>>", just like Ciro, and mentions the important fact that "And the another thing that the public doesn't realise, is that there are also beautiful thing within those communities". This is the mindset of <<intolerance,tolerance>> that the world needs.

Less good ones:

* In Search of Miracle Man by Adult Swim

=== Why is it important to talk about Falun Gong?

The main reason <<ciro-santilli>> emphasizes FLG is that it shows how the CCP can mercilessly crush a 70M strong group (according to CCPs own statistics) out of a population of 1.3B in 2000, i.e. 5% of the population, and of course not because of <<flg-bias>>, since Ciro is completely and totally unbiased.

If that number is correct, Ciro wonders curious what you would consider an important movement? :-)

Anything much larger would take down the government and change China's history forever.

OK, maybe the fact that 69M of those were likely old ladies didn't help much either. Tip to next <<li-hongzhi,prophet>>: make something that appeals to aspiring military officers.

Let's try to gather some well sourced footage showing huge numbers of believers on the streets:

* AP Archive: could not find a good one there
* rehashes of Falun Gong propaganda videos with good footage:
** contains old good footage
** Chinese with English subs, above is rehashed from this one most likely

.Thousands of <<falun-gong>> practitioners in Guangzhou, China, 1998.[Source].

.Thousands of <<falun-gong>> practitioners in Liaoning Industrial Exhibition, China, likely 1998.[Source].

.Hundreds of <<falun-gong>> believers in Chengdu, China, 1998.[Source].

=== Does Ciro Santilli believe in or practice Falun Gong? 三西猴相信法轮功吗?

No, Ciro is[agnostic] (不可知论[不可知论]) and therefore believes that all the metaphysics that <<li-hongzhi>> says is bullshit.

Here are some things that he doesn't like about Falun Gong for example: <<things-ciro-santilli-dislikes-about-falun-gong>>.

Ciro believes Falun Gong can be split into two parts, like any other <<flg-religion,religion>>:

* the "self-help" "how to live well" part, including the physical exercises and meditation, which cannot be proven or disproved, like any other self-help and <<democracy-is-a-religion,political opinion>>
* the metaphysics, most notably, Li Hongzhi is a living God, and all other non verifiable things he claims like aliens, alternate dimensions, etc., see:
** <<flg-religion>>
** <<flg-verifiable>>

Ciro thinks that FLG's self-help part could potentially be good for you, just like many other meditative practices such as Yoga, Buddhist meditation, Tai chi, deep Catholic prayer, etc. As far as he has heard, all of it sounded good standard religious self-help: be peaceful, be good to others, etc. Like any other well managed religion, FLG does have good things to offer, see also: <<christine-marie>>.

However Ciro believes that the metaphysics is all complete and utter bullshit, child stories made up by Li Hongzhi, and just as real as Father Christmas or the[Flying Spaghetti Monster].

Also the "obligation to reach Salvation" is boring like for many other prophetic <<flg-religion,religion>>.

From a purely strategic point of view, the metaphysics is a trade-off:

* some people will believe you are a freaking living God
* others will laugh at you and say you are a charlatan

It may be argued however that Li played this card beautifully: since all Chinese power is concentrated in the CCP, any non-CCP movement dies out, so he was better off long run playing the metaphysics game. The only other choice would have been joining the CCP.

To Ciro it is obvious that Falun Gong is just one of the many very similar movements that came out of the Qi Gong Boom, such as: <<zhong-gong>>. It just happens to be the one that survived due to better luck and strategy.

The absolute truth is already known by the <<li-hongzhi,prophet>>, although he does not want to give clear evidence for reasons: <<flg-verifiable>>, and Ciro finds that utterly boring. There's no fun in living in a world where the absolute truth has been found.

For these reasons, Ciro cannot bother to read even into the self-help part: how can you read that when there is so much bullshit every other page?

Ciro would really like to know if <<li-hongzhi>> really believes in FLG himself, or is just a complete manipulating charlatan, but unfortunately we will never know that. Just imagine if before he died he published a video saying: "it was a joke, gotcha!". Now that would be **epic**!

Since Ciro is good-natured, it's hard for him to believe that he doesn't believe in anything, how can anyone be that evil? Maybe he believes in part of it, but made up some stuff to sell it better, maybe with good intentions that selling the fake part would also lead more people to see the good part?

Like any other prophetic religion, FLG gives tiny evidence that you can directly feel through meditation. The energies, which Ciro believe are real feelings. And then using that entry point asks you to believe a whole lot more, that you can't feel: <<flg-verifiable>>.

This becomes especially strong when a critical mass of believers is reached, and then they start interpreting all sorts of events as miracles, and you start to believe other believers without questioning them, and a circle is formed.

This post by a former believer gives what Ciro feels is a realistic account that matches Ciro's observations: <<me-and-li-by-ben-hurley-2017>>.

And yet, all those who love freedom, must oppose FLG ban, or be themselves enslaved by tyrants themselves: <<democracy-is-a-religion>>.

In any case, at least FLG got one thing right: the commies are <<ccp-evil,evil>>, and we have to get rid of them.

See also: <<flg-fake>>.

==== How much does Ciro Santilli know about Falun Gong? (三西猴对法轮功有多熟悉?)

He hasn't read their <<flg-canon,canon>> himself, no patience, but he has had <<flg-bias,constant contact with believers>> and so has an idea of its content.

Ciro has summarized his thoughts about <<falun-gong>> at: <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong>> and <<flg-religion>>

=== Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗?

If asked if they follow a religion, most FLG believers will say "no", and <<li-hongzhi>> explicitly says that in <<flg-canon>>, e.g.[]:

Falun Dafa is not a religion, but future generations will regard it as one.

E.g. they call themselves "practitioners" or "students" (学员) or "disciples of the Great Law" (大法弟子, or mare accurately, of <<li-hongzhi>>'s Law) instead of "believers", and their peers "practitioner colleagues" (同修[同修]). Non believers call them derogatorily "轮子"("little wheels"), or in friendly terms "轮友" (wheel friend).

And if you say you don't believe in their FLG metaphysics bullshit, they will often reply "he does not understand".

To them, it is not about belief, the truth is clear, and you just don't see it yet.

To this you should reply: "and you don't understand that <<li-hongzhi,Li Hongzhi>> is a master manipulator dude who deceived you and millions of others".

But <<ciro-santilli>> strongly believes that this is just a language barrier/FLG propaganda question (see also "Different levels of truth" from <<orange-papers>>), and that 99.9999% of people in the West would classify FLG as a religion just like <<christianity>> if they are told about FLG's beliefs:

* absolute truth comes from an enlightened <<li-hongzhi,prophet>>, who is perfect and has superhuman abilities
* weekly in-person meetings (学法 "study the Fa", or more verbosely "study the law (of the universe (of <<li-hongzhi>>))")or daily online meetings where they read from a <<flg-canon,sacred book>>, either written by the prophet, or transcribed from his presentations to disciples, including the disciples questions, much like traditional Chinese texts like <<analects>>, just like Christians read from the Bible over and over again.
In both cases, some believers claim that sometimes even reading the same text again gives them new insight.
* prescribed daily meditation exercise hours, somewhat like Muslim[Salah] prayers which they call[发正念 (fa1 zheng4 nian4)], which means "send righteous thoughts". They seem to believe that this meditation helps external good magic things happen, so it is half meditation half prayer.
* longer "less mandatory"[Qigong-like] (气功[气功]) exercises (lian4 gong1, 练功) followed by a meditation (打坐) and which they collectively call修道_(道教)[修炼] "practice austerities". note that this term is borrowed from Taoism but possibly with different precise meaning. There are exactly 5 exercises (meditation being the fifth) some with a fun supernatural name, on <<flg-canon>>[] "The Falun Gong Practice System":
** Buddha Stretching a Thousand Arms
** Falun Standing Stance
** Penetrating the Cosmic Extremes
** Falun Cosmic Orbit
* higher intelligent beings
* some believers who practice really well can also get some "supernatural powers" (功能), but not everyone develops them (luckily only so many people are that manipulable!), and you are <<flg-verifiable,not allowed to show your poweres to "ordinary people">> of course, from <<flg-canon>>[]:
What will one develop in the course of his cultivation? He will develop supernatural powers which are called supernormal capabilities for short.

Do you want to use them among ordinary people? You are absolutely not allowed to use them among ordinary people at will.
See also "You don't get the promised goodies" from <<orange-papers>>
** other dimensions, which some select people with vision superpowers can see, this being one of the supernatural powers that may be developed, the "Celestial Eye"[]:
A cultivator of a particular attainment level can only see the scenes on that level. He cannot see or believe the truth beyond that level. Therefore, he only believes what he has seen on his own level. When he has not gone up to such a high level of cultivation, he would think those things do not exist and are incredible.
and the "Supernormal Capability of Remote Sight" is a closely related ability:
A supernormal capability directly connected with the Celestial Eye is called the Remote Sight. Someone says that he can see scenes in Beijing, in America or scenes on the other side of the earth while sitting here.
And finally there is also the past-future vision ability "Supernormal Capability of Total Recall"[]:
There is another supernormal capability which has a direct relation with the Celestial Eye. It is called Total Recall. Now there are six supernormal capabilities which are generally recognized in the world. They include the Celestial Eye, Remote Sight, and Total Recall. What is Total Recall? It is a supernormal capability with which one can know a person's future and past; if the ability is great, one can know the rise and decline of a society; if the ability is even greater, one can see the Law of the change of the whole celestial body.
* aliens that look like humans are amongst us, they gave us part of our modern technology, some are evil, others not so evil. E.g.[]:
Science, however, is not something gods imparted to humans. Instead, it was passed down to humans by alien beings inside the Three Realms, and for the purpose of controlling humankind. People's belief in it has surpassed everything. But I tell you that precisely because of its shallowness, this science has caused the degeneration of morality in human society.
Despite this however, Falun Gong benefits from information technology enormously. For example, many (most?) believers use the Internet daily to study the Fa, and to organize their <<falun-gong-media,media outlets>>.
* meetings in which people tell their religious testimonies ("experience sharing" TODO Chinese name, possibly just "分享修炼的美好", e.g.分享修炼的美好-印尼召开修炼心得交流会(图)-316838.html[source]):
As Jesus put it in[Matthew 18:20]:
For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them
which highlights the critical believer mass effect of reinforced beliefs.
* an impending link:[final judgment]-like event, which will happen "very soon" (<<flg-verifiable,unspecified date>>), and in which the just will be rewarded
Ciro predict that when <<li-hongzhi>> dies, the claim will be that he went to another dimension so save us all, therefore putting this final judgment on hold, a bit like Jesus.
* non-believers are fundamentally different from believers. Although non-followers who do good things are actually doing FLG without knowing it.
FLG has a specific terminology for non-believers, which is translated in English as["ordinary people"] (常人), as opposed to Falun Gong Believers, which Li calls Falun Gong disciples (大法弟子).
Non-FLG people should therefore logically call Falun Gong believers[abnormal people] (異常心理學[异常人]) in return, much like Ciro likes to call the Chinese who call him 老外 as "老内".
Like other aspects of FLG however, this appears in other religions, e.g. my mother mentioned the funny term used by her Protestant's group term but Ciro forgot it, and you can see it in Harry Potter as well:[The Muggles].
* xref:flg-organized[You can support FLG by doing X and Y, it is not mandatory, but why wouldn't you since you are saving other people?]. Explaining that Falun Gong is good contrary to CCP propaganda also known as "Fa-rectification" in the English translation jargon.
* alternate dimensions
* pre-civilization: civilization is actually much older than what we believe, and was super advanced, but[societal collapse] events led us to forget about it, a bit like[atlantis].
Notably, this also implies that the[theory of evolution] is wrong, since there existed modern humans hundred of millions of years ago (the current scientific estimates for anatomically modern humans is[500,000 years]):
Archaeologists have found in the world a kind of organism called "three-leaves insect", which came into being between 600 million and 260 million years ago, and became extinct thereafter. An American scientist found a fossil of "three-leaves insect", on which there was also a human footprint, left by a shoe he was wearing, and clearly printed on the fossil. Aren't they joking with the historians? How could there possibly have been human beings 260 million years ago according to Darwin's theory of evolution?
* xref:flg-medication[Maybe FLG will make you healthier, but no promises, but it will make you a better person, and that's why you should do it, but if you really really believe, you get healthier]. But people who seemed to be believers also die, because deep within their hearts, there was a belief problem.
* <<falun-gong-believes-that-the-ccp-is-literally-a-manifestation-of-real-devils>>

From this, it is obvious that Falun Gong is just a[New Age] (link:新纪元运动[新纪元运动])[syncretic] (綜攝[综摄]) religion combining[Qigong],[Buddhism], some aspects of <<christianity>>, and whatever other crazy things <<li-hongzhi>> believes in.

Or you could call Falun Gong a <<flg-cult,cult>>, which is nothing but a new/small religion with negative connotation, and thus meaningless.

FLG is very similar to Scientology in Ciro's view: a new religion that mixes elements of both old and new. And just like any other religion, <<democracy-is-a-religion,their practice must be allowed>>.

But consider this: how to classify what a religion is?

Some would answer: science is what every one can perceive with their own senses.

But FLG followers claim to feel FLG energies when doing the exercises, and a few of them have the power of seeing the other dimensions.

On the other hand, how many of your friends have experienced the laws of quantum field theory or general relativity in a very direct way?

And aren't pro-democracy believers also taking actions based solely on a shared belief, possibly organized by a pro-democracy leader?

From a purely strategic point of view, the "religion" denomination would be:

* good to FLG because the concept of freedom of religion carries considerable weight in the West
* bad for FLG because people who already have a religion would be less likely to try it out and start believing
Falun Gong's recruitment strategy is to focus on the exercises first, and in particular its <<flg-medication,health benefits>> and then as some people start to feel things, they start introducing the metaphysics.

See also: "Different levels of truth" from <<orange-papers>>.

See also: <<flg-daily>>.

==== Falun Gong believes that the CCP is literally a manifestation of real devils

Unlike <<ciro-santilli>> which does <<is-chinese-politician-x-evil,not think most CCP politicians are actually evil>>, Falun Gong seems to believe that they literally as in they are representatives of, or evil supernatural beings themselves.

E.g. <<jiang-zemin>> is actually an evil frog in some alternate dimension, literally, not just memecally.

And those devils they are literally responsible for example for creating <<covid,Covid-19>>, which is itself a magic force which tests the evil and good: <<falun-gongs-view-of-epidemics>>.

And <<flg-trump,Trump>> likely represents a magical anti-devil force of the universe.

Some of the most direct <<flg-canon,canon>> suggestions we could find:[]:

The Red Devil uses lies and money to meddle with man

All along, lowlife secret agents of the wicked CCP have been constantly gathering so-called "Falun Gong intelligence."

Falun Gong gives the CCP too much credit. The CCP are just a bunch of lazy and greedy people like you and me.

==== Falun Gong preaching

link:[Street preaching] is an important aspect of Falun Gong, using stands and leaflets on the streets much like's_Witnesses[Jehovah's Witnesses].


*[讲真相]: "truth-telling"
* hongfa (TODO characters?)

The Falun Gong organization also specifies guidelines on how to preach, although these might not be <<flg-canon,canon>>, even though if they are not, it is extremely likely that <<li-hongzhi,LHZ>> is directly involved in their specification

Falun Gong has also used <<flg-telemarketing,phone call preaching>>.

All of this is part of their effort to "save people (救人)", i.e. convert them to Falun Gong.

<<li-hongzhi>> personally heavily emphasises the importance of preaching in <<flg-canon>>.

.Falun Gong believers preaching on the street in London in 2016. This image taken from a believer website shows a typical local regular gathering of believers on weekends, or even week days if there are enough retired believers in the group. They will put on their exercise music, and do exercises to attract more followers. Someone will also stand on their stall giving out propaganda flyers, or asking people to sign petitions for Western governments to support Falun Gong, e.g. opposing their alleged <<flg-organ-harvesting,organ harvesting>>. In the case of touristic areas with Chinese people walking around, they will also ask the Chinese tourists to <<tuidang,quit the their CCP membership, possibly using a fake name>>. <<ciro-santilli>> has to say: it is very amusing to see those Chinese people trying to pretend to ignore the censored religion, when some of them are clearly curious about it, especially the younger ones who didn't see it live. Some just get mad, and say how the CCP is so great to them.[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Falun_Gong_street_preaching_2016_London.jpg[height=400] from <<nigel-ng,Mikey Chen>> shows a parade/preaching event in San Francisco.

===== Some Falun Gong people make phone telemarketing

Ciro Santilli has seen Falun Gong people making phone calls to people in China with to explain why FLG is with his own eyes, and therefore is sure it has happened on some scale.

Particularly during <<covid>>, Falun Gong ramped up the telemarketing calls and some voluntary believers were making calls all day nonstop.

Ciro does not know how the called numbers were obtained and if callees voluntarily signed up for it, but that feels extremely unlikely.

Interestingly however, many of the callees seemed interesting in what they had to say, and they often had long chats, Ciro was surprised by that. Maybe they were just bored senseless due to the Corona lockdown. Or maybe <<most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship,many Chinese People actually don't like their Government>> and the CCP is fucked.

Also, of course, the callers received call scripts and guidelines to makes those calls, because obviously <<flg-organized>>.

Ciro strongly disapproves of this, Just like for any product, visual ads on the street are impossible to prevent, but any kind of advertising that generates notifications on feeds, or takes people's time, is unacceptable.

As you can easily find on <<google>>/<<baidu>>, such calls may be reported in the <<cac-report-website>>.

Ciro has not however seen them talking about making automated phone calls. also mentions that Falun Gong makes telemarketing in passing without any reference.

==== Is Falun Gong a cult? 法轮功是邪教吗?

Does <<ciro-santilli>> think Falun Gong a cult? Yes.

Is the CCP a cult? Yes: <<ccp-cult>>.

Is <<christianity>> a cult? Yes.

Is democracy a cult? Yes: <<democracy-is-a-religion>>.

Is modern science a cult? Maybe.

Therefore, the only question that matters for all the above is the same: are they good or bad cults?

Falun Gong clearly share many many many characteristics with what many people classify as a "cult", see e.g.: <<orange-papers>>.

However, <<ciro-santilli>> strongly believes that so does any other existing religion e.g. Christianity, and that Falun Gong is not any worse or better than those other well known religions.

Ciro therefore believes that the only reasonable stances are to either:

* be against all religions (including Christianity and Falun Gong), and classify all of them as Cults
* allow both Christianity and Falun Gong to exist, and support religious freedom

but not "oppose Falun Gong" and support Christianity.

Some people will say: Falun Gong is a cult because it is too new and therefore obviously fake!

So, if I tell a lie today, will it become true in a thousand years? Or a truth today become a lie? The Romans called <<christianity>> the "Cult of Jesus"!

Try sending an email to <<li-hongzhi,LHZ>> asking him to <<flg-verifiable,prove his powers to you>> :-)

Others will say: Falun Gong is a cult because its prophet is still alive!

But then, worry not, because Li Hongzhi was born in 1951, and therefore will almost certainly die by 2040, unless he truly is a living God as he claims.

Now, for the really important question of weather Falun Gong is a "good" or "bad" religion, <<ciro-santilli>> has seen absolutely nothing in it that is worse than any <<flg-religion,other major religion>> say, e.g., <<christianity>>.

Some possibly neutral Cult analysts analyzing if FLG is good or bad:




In the end however, since there is nothing obviously completely creepy about FLG, all such discussions are basically equivalent to <<democracy-is-a-religion,"is the Left better than the Right">>, and cannot be answered.

One interesting linguistic aspect is that "cult" normally translates in Chinese as "邪教" which means "Evil religion".

As mentioned before, Ciro does not believe that FLG is an "Evil Cult", just another "Acceptable Cult", and therefore would not use "邪教" to describe it.

Amusingly, <<li-hongzhi,Li>> calls the communists Communist Evil Party (中共邪党) in cannon, well played:

The word "Cult" is much more ambiguous in English however, and does not necessarily imply "Evil" in certain contexts, just "worship".

For example, People from <<ciro-santilli>>'s mother's Protestant Church in Brazil, all say that they are going "to the cult" when referring to when they are going to church to pray, sing and read the Bible together.

And obviously, the origin of the word "cult" is exactly the same as that of["cultivate"] as in "cultivate the crops" (which is also how Falun Gong believers refer to practicing Falun Gong: "cultivation practice"). All of those come from the[Latin "colō"], which means simply "to protect".

===== CCP cult (中共邪教)

The CCP also has many cult-like characteristics, notably <<xi-jinping,"The Guru is always right">>, which is mentioned on <<orange-papers>> itself under "The Guru is always right." (highlight by <<ciro-santilli,Ciro>>):

The Guru, his church, and his teachings are always right, and above criticism, and beyond reproach.

In some cults, the guru is dead, but the principle is the same. I use the word "guru" loosely here; in many cults the charismatic leader has the title of minister, priest, yogi, swami, prophet, or all-knowing wise man. **Or even, "<<mao-zedong,Chairman Mao>>."** In any case, the leader is always right.

And they also claim that[Alcoholics Anonymous] could be characterized as a cult. Very cool. What else could be powerful enough to get you off a physical addiction, than a mental addiction, right?

<<mao-zedong,Mao>> is the Father +
<<xi-jinping,Xi>> is the Son +
The CCP is the Holy Spirit

Both Mao and Xi have produced their own sacred books which must be revered, much like <<li-hongzhi>>'s <<flg-canon>>:

* Xi's: <<xi-jinping-thought>>
* Mao's: <<little-red-book>>

Furthermore, both of those books are based on speeches, just like just like Li Hongzhi's speeches become instant canon.

This devotion can also be seen in Xi's benevolent personification: <<xi-dada>>.

This is also observed by <<falun-gong>> itself as a response to the CCP <<flg-cult,accusing Falun Gong of being an Evil Cult>>. E.g.: from <<ntdtv>>, and Falun Gong is completely right here.

See also:

* <<democracy-is-a-religion>>

.Xi Jinping with a Halo edited in to make <<ccp-cult,the obvious more obvious>>. The texts reads <<xi-jinping-thought,"习近平思想" (Xi Jinping Thought)>>. Watermark reads "Gucci Minh @Laborwave", so presumably from[], but I didn't have the patience to find the picture, but it very likey comes from there, a ton of great communist memes in that account.[Source].

.Side-by-side comparison between devotional pictures of <<xi-jinping>> (taken from the cover of <<xi-jinping-thought>>) and <<li-hongzhi>>. The stylistic resemblance is striking.

===== Orange Papers

Amazing website talking about Cults and many other things!

Down as of 2020-04 archive:

* 2016 archive of the Cult Test, which is the key page of the website: This is a must read.
* latest working homepage archive from 2019:

TODO who is the author? Copyright says by "A. Orange". Is it the real name, or just a pun for "I ate an orange"? mentions the creator's first name is "Terry", and that the website went down due to financial trouble.

Claimed interview with him on the 2013 SAFE RECOVERY podcast:

The website also offered compressed archives, but Ciro could not find any of those on the Wayback Machine, although it is hard to be sure because there are many different timestamps available, the section reads:

Get this entire web site in a set of compressed packages so that you can read it later offline (and burn CDs and give copies to friends).

Archives are available in both Unix/Linux tarred-gzipped format, or Micro$uck Windoze winzip format.

Current as of 2016-12-07 (yyyy-mm-dd).

Total Size = 900 MB compressed (1.7 GB uncompressed), but no file is larger than 14 MB, to prevent file size problems with some systems, like Comcast.

Get either set; you don't need both, as the files contained are identical.

File names are of form:

* `Orange_Papers-alpha-2016-12-07.tar.gz`
* `Orange_Papers-imgs000-2011-01-01.tar.gz`

A mirror with many broken links and images:

And the website also has a Free Tibet flag at the bottom.

Many of the points highlighted at are very very interesting and Ciro feels that they apply strongly to <<falun-gong>>:

* "Instant Community" and "Instant intimacy": you instantly join the cult family, and are very very likely to believe or at least consider anything anyone else in the cult says about their religious experiences, no matter how far-fetched, even though it is not <<flg-canon,canon>>
Conversely, this also poses a risk for the Cult Leader, as new community ideas can spread very quickly, and if you try to fight them off, they might create a[Schism].
* "Cult-speak": see also "Newspeak" from <<nineteen-eighty-four>> and some common Falun Gong Cult-speak see: <<flg-religion>>
* "Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions, groups, or organizations": yes, <<li-hongzhi>> does this all the time, see: <<zhong-gong>>
* "Personal testimonies of earlier converts": see "experience sharing" at <<flg-religion>>
* "The group and its members are special", "Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider": see: "ordinary people (常人)" at <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong>>
* "Making cult members work long hours for free": yes, many FLG members work long long hours for free. Why wouldn't you if you are saving people's souls?
* "No Humor": see also <<funny>>
* "Different Levels of Truth", "Deceptive Recruiting": Falun Gong people don't talk freely about their funny beliefs like <<flg-religion,aliens are amongst us>> to outsiders. Rather, they lure you in with the exercises first. Ciro has personally heard the following said many times: "you should not tell this to non-believers, they are not ready for this truth yet".
* "Front groups, masquerading recruiters, hidden promoters, and disguised propagandists": <<falun-gong-media>>
* "Promised Powers or Knowledge" and "It's a con. You don't get the promised goodies": they seem to believe in a <<flg-religion,Judgement Day like event>> and <<flg-medication,health benefits>>
* "The Guru is always right", "You are always wrong", "No Graduates", "The Guru Is Extra-Special", "Everybody else needs the guru to boss him around, but nobody bosses the guru around", "The guru criticizes everybody else, but nobody criticizes the guru.": obviously: <<li-hongzhi>>
** "Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking"
* Membership Rivalry. Members vie with one another for the guru's attention, and for status within the group. Everyone is trying to become part of the favored inner circle. The leader plays the members off against each other in order to maintain his hold over the cult.
* Giggly wonderfulness and starry-eyed faith: <<flg-religion,notably visible during in experience sharing>>

There are also however some points which Ciro feels don't apply, and Ciro praises Falun Gong for those:

* "Dual Purposes": not much of that, most of their propaganda is "we are persecuted unfairly by China", not "let's help the poor"
* "The End Justifies The Means": Li has made it clear that believers must follow the laws of their countries. Cults that violate this tend to not last as long, this is the smart move for cult leaders.

And some points which Ciro feels apply which were mentioned in some other article, (or maybe in Orange Papers but he couldn't find them, TODO find reference?)

* "No time for fun": how could you possibly spend leisure time watching television, etc. when you could be saving the world instead?
* "Focus on the persecution of the Cult": while obviously people who have been persecuted have the right, and almost an obligation, to look for help and share their stories, it is also clear that this is a selling point for the Cult.
Why would a nation state attack a Cult? This could give the impression that it is because there is something powerful and true in the Cult, and actually menaces this nation state.
For example, Falun Gong puts huge emphasis on its persecution in China, much like the[Martyrdom] of the Catholic Saints is highly emphasised.

This is especially interesting, because the website does not mention Falun Gong at all it seems: it really seems that all those cults are very similar.

It should also be mentioned though that these points extend to any type of human organization, e.g. <<flg-religion,other religions>>, <<democracy-is-a-religion,political parties>>, job associations, etc.

====== Careful control of your image

The cult leader is a master at controlling how people view him.

One aspect of that, is after reaching a certain critical mass of mindless followers, to limit your public appearances to situations in which you have the most control, and notably being surrounded only by your believers.

Because of course: you are human, not a God, and you are going to fuck up from time to time, so why take any risks?

<<li-hongzhi>> does not announce where he is going for the most part, even though he is followed by millions: he just shows up unannounced, and local believers whisper to one another in short advance and come to see him when possible.

This reminded Ciro of the <<vissarion>> video he watched, in which VICE was allowed to visit and interview <<russia,Siberian>> prophet[Vissarion] (real name Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop Серге́й Анато́льевич То́роп, AKA "The Russian Jesus"), and they note how well he controlled his appearance.


=== What are the canonical Falun Gong texts?

It appears that Falun Gong cannon is present at:

The two main books are:

* "China Falun Gong" (中国法轮功) AKA just "Falun Gong" published in April 1993. 2006 English translation[]. Wikipedia comments:
Falun Gong is an introductory book that discusses qigong, introduces the principles of the practice, and provides illustrations and explanations of the exercises.
The first edition contains one of
*,_the_main_book[Zhuan Falun] (转法轮_(书)[转法轮]), published in January 1995. 1998 English version:[]:
According to Wikipedia:
Zhuan Falun is the main teaching and the most comprehensive work; it is an edited version of Li's nine-lecture series, 54 of which he taught across China between 1992 and 1994.
Believers very often read from this text when they <<flg-religion,"study the Fa">> in their gatherings. They often read one chapter per session, and can often just say "we read the Nth teaching" (第N讲, so apparently each chapter corresponds to a separate talk). Just like <<xi-jinping-thought>>!

The initial versions of both of those texts contained versions of <<li-hongzhis-hagiography>>.

It contains <<li-hongzhi,LHZ>>'s approved texts/speech transcriptions, which are sacred.

The only sacred version is Chinese which is a sacred language, and of which there is only one perfect revision. Islam also appears to place great importance on the sacredness of Arabic in which Mohamed first spoke, perhaps even more: Protestants and later the Catholic church, have moved away from such really bad strategy however, the accessibility of Christianity is seen on the entrance of many many churches which have a sign "ALL are welcome". Well played.

<<ciro-santilli>> heard <<li-hongzhi,LHZ>> claims the specifically chose to reincarnate in China this last time.

The English translation is made by followers, and gets new revisions to reduce translation imperfections.

However, the Chinese language seems to be fundamentally sacred, and there might never be a sacred English version approved by LHZ.

LHZ is of course a de-facto God with superpowers, and can of course speak all languages, but[for reasons] he didn't just write an English translation himself.

This is a reasonable command to download the English cannon for grepping:

wget -r -l inf --no-remove-listing --no-clobber --no-parent -w 2

TODO: need to find a way to wrap lines, otherwise grep might fail on sentences.

But funnily the Canon books appear to all be copyrighted, likely "to avoid other people from modifying his sacred text", which is funny since the dude's the voice of absolute truth of the universe, but you still gotta copyright that I guess.

Nothing else is canonical. LHZ seems to have said that there are enlightened followers, but has not specified who, so we can't derive canon from anyone else.

Notably, <<flg-organized,FLG media>> such as is believer led and thus not canonical, even though believers have very high confidence in it, and LHZ <<flg-organized,directly supports it>>.

CCP <<ccp-cult,cult leaders>> such as <<xi-jinping>> and <<mao-zedong>> have also published their own canon books, e.g.:

* Xi's: <<xi-jinping-thought>>
* Mao's: <<little-red-book>>

.Front and back cover of <<flg-canon,Zhuan Falun>>, first edition (1994). It is said amongst believers that <<flg-verifiable,the Lotus flower on the back of these books have magically opened progressively as time passed>>.[Source].

=== Does Ciro Santilli support FLG, or just use it because it is censored?

Ciro Santilli doesn't support FLG specifically, only freedom of religion. See of course: <<flg-bias>>.

Ciro uses it in his usernames simply because it is the most banned and censored one in China today.

He believe that <<flg-thoughtcrime,individuals should only be put in jail for what they do, not for what they believe>>.

He considers FLG <<flg-religion,a religion like any other>>, and he is against its ban, as that of all other religions.

He also believes that freedom of speech and democracy imply that FLG and other religions will exist. If you want freedom, you have to <<intolerance,accept other people's choices>>.

Otherwise, <<democracy-is-a-religion,democracy and communism can also be considered as religions>>, and banned.

See also: <<flg-verifiable>>.

=== How is it like to live with Falun Gong believers?

This will obviously vary from believer to believer, but here is <<ciro-santilli>>'s experience.

Like any other religion that is taken seriously, they spend several hours per week doing their standard religious activities: <<flg-religion>>.

Ciro has never seen them, or anyone we know from FLG say or do something that he consider morally incorrect because of FLG.

This does not prevent <<wife,his wife>> from working normally.

Ciro's mother-in-law, who is retired, dedicates all her time to Falun Gong when she is not taking care of the house.

Ciro's mother is also religious (link:[Protestant]), and he gets a very similar feeling about both groups.

Like other religions, Falun Gong gives them meaning in life, and Ciro admires that they pursue their belief energetically, just as he persues his beliefs energetically.

Ciro much prefers that Ciro's mother-in-law does Falun Gong, which is a noble meaningful goal, rather than watch stupid crap on television.

Also, although he is <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong,agnostic>>, Ciro also lives in a similar way.

Ciro's religion is that of science and technology, and he pursue it fervently by trying to learn and teach it and spend several hours a week doing that, even when it does not give him money immediately.

If Ciro pursue his meaning, why should he prevent anyone from pursuing theirs?

Previously, Ciro's wife and mother-in-law would sometimes try to persuade him to learn Falun Gong, which was annoying.

But every time he told them very clearly that he knows where to download the books if I want to, and that he may never want to read them, and that his wife must either accept this fact or leave him.

And they have accepted that: they think Ciro's a good person, and they can accept that you can also be a good person even without doing Falun Gong.

Ciro does feel Falun Gong makes Ciro's mother-in-law more reluctant to use or actively search for <<flg-medication,medication or treatment>>. But he thinks it is also linked to the fact that she didn't have a very good education or a good health system around. However, if Ciro and his wife give her something, she will take it. Ciro's wife does not have any resistance to medication.

One thing that does worry Ciro is that Ciro's mother in law sleeps too little every night, doing one of the Falun Gong meditations late in the evening, and then waking up very early to a long series of reading and exercise sessions. But it is hard to say if she would be any different without Falun Gong, it could just be her nature.


* at <<zhihu>>

=== In the Tweet about his mother in law, Ciro Santilli says "correctional facility", but reeducation through labour has been abolished

He was not very precise[here], the precise term is "jail". He was _not_ talking about: Unfortunately it is not possible to edit a Tweet.

=== Falun Gong is completely different in the West than it was in China

I believe that it has changed.

But isn't that the case of every cultural religious movement that migrates to a completely new culture?

Main points which may have changed:

* It has become more organized.
But why shouldn't they organize to defend themselves now that they have the chance without being put into prison?
The CCP is highly organized and has way more resources.
* Less emphasis is given to the religious/mystical aspect, and more to the corporal exercises, and health aspect.
This may be because people in the "West" are:
** are "scientific-educated" atheists who wouldn't go for a "religion"
** already have other religions, which would view FLG as a taboo

Also maybe only the richest and most educated believers managed to escape China, and thus the movement carried that bias outside China.

If you know more ways in which it may have changed, let me know.

But once again, we can know nothing for sure about the past in China because of censorship.

Even if you saw something yourself, how can you be sure that it is representative?

And if it has changed, now that it has changed, maybe China should unban it?

See also:

* at <<zhihu>>

=== FLG has been funded by the US government at least once, therefore it is evil

1.5M USD in 2010 for a FLG controlled internet freedom group

But well, if you are going to do something anyway, and someone offers you money, why wouldn't you take it?

Taking the money does of course give a "bad impression" that someone is trying to buy influence, but does it in itself imply that you are doing something bad?

But do you really think that the US government paid that to buy influence in FLG? What would they force upon that FLG group that they didn't already want to do? Isn't it more likely that the US government wanted them to continue doing exactly what they were doing?

Every government funds groups it supports, it is an all out war I suppose. Compare that to the propaganda funds of the CCP.

What about the funding of political campaigns, which vastly outnumbers 1.5M USD every year?

=== Falun Gong is illegal in China, we must follow the law

This might be a bad law that should be changed.

It was perfectly legal for <<nazi,Nazis>> to kill Jews. Does it make that right?

But many times, the commies don't even bother passing a law, they just fuck people anyways without one: <<rule-of-law>>.

=== Falun Gong is fake (法轮功是假的)

The same can be argued about any other religion or political belief of type: it is better if we organize society in this or that way.

How can you disprove their belief, when as in any other religion, every affirmation made hinges on "miracles only happen around when true believers are around" or "only true believers can perceive evidence in their hearts / minds directly". He died of cancer or <<covid>>? Not a true believer, deep withing his heart, something was wrong.

Conversely, do you understand the full sequence of experiments that imply quantum field theory? Have you seen videos of those experiments? Have you attended live demonstrations? Do you understand the construction of the experimentation apparatus? Yet, why do you believe it?

More importantly: what do you propose that should be done about it? Should we kill followers? Or is jail enough?

Also do let me know when you have achieved irrefutable proof that democracy/freedom of speech are the optimal ways to organize the government: <<democracy-is-a-religion>>.

See also: <<flg-religion>>

==== FLG never makes any predictions that can be reasonably verified by non-believers

Exactly, just like any other <<flg-religion>>, this is why <<ciro-santilli>> is <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong,agnostic>> and thinks Falun Gong metaphysics is bullshit.

Notably, <<li-hongzhi>> explicitly forbids display of magical powers gained by believers to non-believers: <<flg-supernatural-powers>> for "reasons". What a convenient coincidence, that prevents any verifiability!

Just like in[Harry Potter], Falun Gong believers are part of the magical <<flg-religion,Hogwarts world which non-believers, The Muggles>>, cannot access.

The closest claims to observable Ciro has heard are:

* when pictures are taken in sacred events, notably <<shen-yun>>, sometimes you can see magic Falun energy wheels in the pictures
* in the homes of some followers, small magic good plants-like fungi-like things have grown
.Image of the magic good small plants that grew on a <<falun-gong>> believer's home. They took a photo and it published on <<falun-gong-media,Minghui>> as a 2018 Chinese New Year good wish page to <<li-hongzhi>>. They seem to identify those fungi as mini-link:[udumbaras], which is just a fancy name that Buddhism scriptures use to refer to[cluster fig flowers] (聚果榕[优昙婆罗], amongst a billion other existing phonetic transliterations) emphasising their magic properties. Here's a 2007 from <<epoch-times>>:[], and another one[], and another one from 2011:[]. Only the most relevant news on that newspaper. Ciro could not find <<flg-canon>> mentions however. If any biologist reads this, for the love of God send me a Wikipedia page with the possible species. TODO transcribe the Chinese 吉林市大法弟子恭祝师新年快乐。(优昙婆罗花) 创世主救度众生YADA YADA。(Falun Gong practitioners from <<jilin>> wish The Master a happy (Chinese) New Year (udumbara Flower) The creator of the world saves all living things, ...) This type of "congratulate the Master for New Year, congratulate the Master for his birthday etc. by sending photos to <<minghui>> for selection is common practice in the Falun Gong community.[Source].
* the <<flg-canon,sacred books>> of some believers had a closed lotus flower when they were bought, and after several years, the flower opened

but Ciro suspects they are not even <<flg-canon,canon>>, just believer oral culture.

Of course, like every other religion, reality happens to be is constructed in a way that prevents non-believers to verify anything with their eyes in a reproducible way.

Or a Jesus put it in[Luke 4]:

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.

"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:

"'He will command his angels concerning you,

and they will lift you up in their hands,

so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"

Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

Ah good old <<li-hongzhi,prophets>>, their tricks haven't changed a bit in 2 thousand years! This is why <<ciro-santilli>> follows instead the religion of <<democracy-is-a-religion,science and freedom of speech>>, because those religions instead say:

Test your God. Test your God a billion times. And if your God proves wrong just once, disbelieve it.

The Pontius Pilate Scene from[The Last Temptation of Christ (1988)] comes to mind, quotes:

Pontius: It's also said that you do miracles? Is this good magic or bad magic? Can we have some sort of demonstration?

Jesus: No, I'm not a trained animal, I'm not a magician.

Pontius: Well, that's disappointing. This means that you are just another Jewish politician.


Pontius: It's one way to change the way that people live, but you want to change the way that they think and that they feel.

Jesus: All I'm saying is the change will happen with love. Not with killing.

Pontius: Either way it's dangerous. It's against Rome. It's against the way the world is. In killing or loving, it's all the same. It simply doesn't matter how you want to change things, we don't want them changed.

. The Last Temptation of Christ (1988) - Pontius Pilate Scene (5/10) | Movieclips.
video::pXGsio9H1xs[youtube,height=400,width=600][Futurama] also has an interesting take:

.[Bender] meets God in Futurama S03E20 "link:[Godfellas]". In their talk, they comment on how "if as God you give them everything, they will grow dependent on you, and if you give them nothing, they will despise you". And so the best approach as a God might be "to influence things as if you weren't there".

=== Many people both are against censorship and FLG

Ciro know that, and that supporting FLG is "bad" for his public image with most Chinese, including those that are against censorship.

But <<dictator-needs-gfw,without censorship, there will be democracy>>, and with democracy FLG followers will have voting rights, and FLG will become legal.

Ciro thinks that the situation is very similar to <<flg-religion,Scientology>> in the USA today: most people dislike it, but believe that you can believe whatever you want.

Democracy and Communism <<democracy-is-a-religion,can also be considered as religions and persecuted>>.

Isn't it convenient when a dictatorship gets rid of those weirdos for you? But not so much when suddenly you or your family is the weirdo...

If you are not ready to accept the beliefs of others, dictatorship is the only choice for you.

It is also interesting to note how Falun Gong is a good source of <<censorship-circumvention>> material.

See also: <<flg-bias>>

==== Why does Ciro Santilli say that democracy is a religion just like Falun Gong?

Because it also specifies irrational and fundamental aspects of how one should live, notably voting and freedom of speech.

Just like the <<ccp-cult>> has one fundamental belief: <<stability,the Party is always right>>.

Ban <<falun-gong>>, and you have banned democracy.

Accept democracy, and you will have <<falun-gong>>.

There is no in-between.

==== Falun Gong had to be banned because it was a threat to the stability of the country

Then they link to the Taping Rebellion:


Of course FLG was a threat to the stability of the country.

It is, as <<ciro-santilli>> has said, a highly organized political power: <<flg-political>>.

However, <<democracy-is-a-religion,democracy>> is a threat to the stability country in the exact same way:


Anything that goes against a dictatorship is a threat to the stability of the country.

Now read: <<stability>>

=== Many people say they do FLG only to get VISAs to the USA

<<ciro-santilli>> heard this a few times, and I believe it has happened.

But I don't see how this is relevant at all to this discussion:

* if they are not really FLG believers, they should be prosecuted, but this says nothing about the real FLG believers,
* if they are, then why wouldn't they seek a VISA, since they are in constant threat of going to jail or worse in China, and the USA law gives them that right?

Sample news:


=== I have personally seen people do bad things because of Falun Gong

Either direct suicide or <<flg-medication,dying because of not taking medication>>.

First, I'm not saying I don't believe you, and I'm sorry about what happened.

But your testimony is worthless unless you give the following:

* clear unique personal identification
This is because the CCP has thousands of <<wumao,wumaos>> who could make fake reports.
There are basically two ways to do that:
. your testimony is done in video form on YouTube clearly showing your face as you make it
. links between a notable social media presence that is hard to achieve, e.g. Twitter with many followers, Stack overflow with a lot of rep, and the account
Either of those must contain / link to information that uniquely identifies you. Generally, full name, city and date of birth is enough.
* a precise testimony that states exactly what you saw happen with your own eyes, or heard from people that are very close to you.
The testimony must include:
** when the events happened
** where they happened, in which city at the very least
** the full names of who did what
This is to:
** make it easier to verify the truth of the event
** uniquely identify the event so we don't count a single event multiple times

If you do provide all of the above, I add your report to a list of reports that I will maintain. This list does not exist yet because there were no valid reports yet.

Next consider this:

* are you sure that Falun Gong made the person do the bad thing, and that the person wouldn't have done it anyway?
Did someone from Falun Gong told the person to do it?
I bet that if you look into patients of psychiatrists, you will find more suicides than average. So should we ban psychiatry?
* are you sure that the order came from <<li-hongzhi,LHZ>>, and that it was not just some disgruntled local leader using Falun Gong for his personal madness and doing things he did not approve?
Branch Davidians were inspired by <<christianity>>. So should we ban Christianity? What about the majority of Christians who have never done anything bad?
* only statistics have any meaning, and it would require a very large number of reports to make up statistics, so you will likely be wasting your time. I will do my part and maintain a list however.
* if we ask for FLG believers to compile a list of horrors they have suffered, which they have already been doing since the start of the persecution, I bet that their list will be much longer than yours, because they are so <<flg-organized,well organized>>

=== Falun Gong does not have proof of their persecution claims

How much proof do you think they would be able to get when there is no freedom of the press?

Do you think that forbidding a <<flg-important,70 million>> person religion could have gone smoothly?

Do you think the thousands of personal accounts of human rights violations that exist are all fake, and don't indicate that many, many more have taken place but fallen under censorship?

Conversely, there is no reliable proof that FLG is bad as claimed by CCP that has been verified by international media.

==== Sun Yi (孙毅, 2008)

Documentary about him, TODO are the producers Falun Gong believers?


Masanjia re-education through labor camp where he was kept:

*馬三家女子勞教所 TODO the Chinese page says female-only, weird


* "The SOS in my Halloween decorations"

=== Someone from movement X did something bad, therefore the movement should be banned

By this logic, everyone should go to jail. The law should only punish individuals.

The communist party, which has had continuous power since 1949, killed millions during the <<cultural-revolution>>. Surely they must be banned, no?

But the CCP has changed so much since those days, <<ciro-santilli>> hears you say.

Ciro agrees. And <<flg-changed,so has Falun Gong>>.

See also: "thoughtcrime" from <<nineteen-eighty-four>>.

Or if you like shitty movies:[Minority Report (2002)].

==== Movement X tells people to do something bad, therefore the movement should be banned

E.g. kill.

Yes, convincing someone to do something bad is as bad as doing it yourself of course, and must be forbidden.

Now proceed to prove that FLG made and will continue making people do bad things, going through:

* <<flg-witness>>
* <<flg-changed>>

===== Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident (天安门自焚事件, 2001)


This has been one of the major anti-Falun Gong propaganda pieces by the CCP, and one of the most refuted by Falun Gong propaganda even as of 2020.

<<ciro-santilli>> believes that:

* as usual from the pre-Internet age, we will never know the truth for sure, because China has <<censorship,no freedom of the press>>, and <<censorship-makes-no-one-trust-your-country,no one believes anything that the Chinese government says>>
* it is possible that they were Falun Gong believers. What would expect from <<flg-important,banning a 70 million person religion>>?
* it is very unlikely that they had approval or instructions from <<li-hongzhi>>. Li Hongzhi's literature maintains that suicide is very bad for you, e.g.: from 2003 <<flg-canon,canon>>
Question: Some people can't give up Dafa, but also can't let go of their humanness. On the surface they are cultivating and doing some Fa-rectification things, but they are in fact stirring up trouble and creating disturbances, with some even committing suicide or being gay. What will become of these people? Will they go to the dimension of demons? And what will happen to those who stick up for them?

Teacher: I know about all of that. Unless I have absolutely no choice I don't want to expel them, so I'm observing and watching these things. It's best that these people, if they want to do themselves justice, wake up quickly--wake up quickly! If you're determined to do that, then tell Dafa disciples about the things you've done, and that could help. Time is running short. I'm really worried about you. Don't take Master's mercy so lightly. The Fa has standards.
and from 1998 canon
Many people who are capable of cultivating get sucked into them, and some of them engage in suicide - it's a mess
* maybe people should be allowed to choose how they want to die, see also:
** <<flg-medication>>
** <<honour-suicides-in-chinese-history>>

====== Honour suicides in Chinese history

As[mentioned on Wikipedia], China has a long history of suicide for altruistic/moral/honour reasons in Confucian tradition, some of which are still celebrated to this day.

The <<analects>> paragraph <<analects-translation-by-robert-eno-2015,15.9>> says:

The Master said, The gentleman who is resolute and ren does not seek to live on at the expense of ren, and there are times when he will sacrifice his life to complete ren.

<<mencius-book>> paragraph <<mencius-translation-by-robert-eno-2016,paragraph 6A.10>> says:

I love to eat fish; I also love to eat bear paws. If I can't have both, I will forego the fish and eat the bear paws. I love life; I also love right. If I can't have both, I will forego life and choose to do right. Life is truly something I love, it is just that there is something else I love more, and so I can't hold on to life by devious means. And death is truly something I hate, it is just that there is something I hate more than death, and so there are dangers I will not avoid.

If a man loves nothing more than life, then won't he use whatever means are required to hold onto it? If a man hates nothing more than death, then won't he use whatever means are required to avoid danger? Yet there are things men won't do in order to avoid danger and live, and from this we know that there are things men love more than life and hate more than death. It is not just worthy men who have such feelings, all men have them; worthies are simply those who do not lose them.

Notable historical figures who committed suicides are are still celebrated to this day include:

*[Qu Yuan] (屈原[屈原], 340-278 BC), is celebrated in the <<dragon-boat-festival>>, the third most important festival in modern China.
He committed suicide by drowning himself in the[Miluo River], modern Hubei Province, while holding a rock, after his country's ([Chu] (楚国[楚国])) capital was taken by the Qin enemies during the <<warring-states-period>>.
He is a symbol of patriotism respected to this day.
*[Wu Zixu] (伍子胥[伍子胥], ???-484 BC)

These sound exactly like examples that <<xi-dada>> would want his army to keep in mind: ultimate sacrifice for the motherland.

=== People from movement X are only in it for political power

For every desire of the masses, there will be amoral representatives that will step to use that power.

Still, those representatives cannot gain power if there is no backing desire from society.

The only advantage of <<richer,democracy>>, is that those representatives have to pretend harder to do things for that group to retain their power.

Falun Gong believers obviously have the right to do politics, just like any other person, and Ciro greatly encourages this.

But Ciro does not like that Falun Gong tends to not call itself a political force, when it clearly is. But full disclosure is not a legal obligation, and many many media outlets don't really disclose their obvious political connections. See also: <<flg-transparent>>.

Falun Gong directly contacts Government officials,[demonstrates in front of government buildings] and <<flg-trump,supports Trump>>, how can that not be politics?!?! Just call it for what it is, and no one will be able to criticize you for it!

<<li-hongzhi>> directly says that FLG should not be involved in politics in <<flg-canon>>, e.g.[]:

Never get involved in politics, nor interfere with state affairs'.

But at the same, he also greatly encourages <<falun-gong-media>>, which obviously a political influence method. As usual, everything in Falun Gong is explained in an indirect roundabout way.

Other related canon mentions "Explaining the Fa During the 2003 Lantern Festival at the U.S. West Fa Conference":

Question: When elections were held in our district, there were people who went to help a few congressional candidates that supported Dafa. But some people thought we shouldn't get ourselves involved in politics, and that we shouldn't rely on ordinary people to do things for Dafa. Is that understanding correct?

Teacher: It's correct in principle, but for this specific matter you should look at it this way. If you say Dafa disciples can't get involved in ordinary society's politics, I wouldn't say that's 100% correct. What I told you was that Dafa doesn't get involved in politics. And a lot of our Dafa disciples work in politics, that's their job. So if there's a government election, should you take part in it? If you take part in it and cast your vote, well then you've gotten involved in politics. A Dafa disciple cultivating in the ordinary society means that you try your best to cultivate while conforming to the ordinary society, and then there won't be a problem. You, too, are a member of the ordinary society. And the existence of the ordinary society is necessary for Dafa, for the cosmos, and for sentient beings. We can only help maintain it and can't disrupt it. When you're supposed to vote, just go vote, that's not a problem. If you say that a certain Congressman is your personal friend, and you'd like to help him do something, then of course there might be things that involve elections and you'd be doing volunteer work—that doesn't matter. But our Dafa as a whole doesn't get involved in politics, and we can't do anything political in the name of Dafa. For Dafa disciples, validating the Fa should be the priority, though.

The last time there was an election in Taiwan, I had a veteran practitioner call the person in charge of the Taiwan Dafa Association and make it clear to the public that Dafa Associations take no stance on elections. If an individual practitioner wants to support someone, that's his personal business and it doesn't represent Dafa. There were Dafa disciples supporting both of the parties. The Falun Dafa Association has no political opinion regarding any party's election, and it doesn't get involved. As individual practitioners you can support whoever you'd like. That's how it works.

The last paragraph is really great, as it indicates how Li's communication works. His top tenants are known, and their word is as good as the master's.[] also has some good quotes:

Question: During Taiwan's presidential election, some students' human attachments got stirred up. Was it a test arranged by the old forces? What's the right way for us to handle this?

Teacher: Even if the sky were to fall, a cultivator's righteous thoughts would stay unshaken--that is cultivation, and that is remarkable. (Applause) A cultivator is not attached to anything in this world. Dafa disciples' cultivation takes a different form today. In cultivation you do your best out in the world to conform to ordinary society, you have normal jobs in ordinary society, and you have your families, jobs, and all that--you are closely tied to society. With the Taiwan election, some students thought a certain person was pretty good and so they wanted to vote for him, while others thought a different person was pretty good and wanted to vote for that one. People have their own, different views, and there's nothing wrong with that. A person's own actions out in society don't represent Dafa. But you can't be attached to those things the way ordinary people are.

Whoever you vote for, I can't, as your Master, say that you're wrong, nor do I get involved in those things. That's because the path I ask you to take has you cultivate in ordinary society. Cultivators can only benefit a society. You cultivate in ordinary society but you don't steer human society in one direction or another.

So for each student, it's fine for you to vote as an individual for whomever you want. It's just that you can't be too attached. But through the persecution against Dafa disciples in Mainland China, Dafa disciples have seen through something, and so some are thinking, "Whoever is close to the evil that's persecuting us, I won't vote for him." (Applause) And as your Master I have no objection to that either. (Audience laughs, applauds) Those are the students' own thoughts, and as your Master I haven't told you who to vote for. Still less will I tell you to take any group action, and that's not allowed. (Audience laughs)

. Ciro really liked what[Doctor Matthew N. Schmalz] said on this VICE documentary about[Hyung Jin Moon]'s and his[Unification movement] ("the Moonies" split-off religion. "I think that any new religion needs a constituency. And especially for a group that is new, that is relatively small, making connections with other groups that might have similar commitments is something that can be quite productive if you are a leader of a new religion". As long as everyone plays the democracy game through democracy rules, peace tends to be maintained, and it is easier for multiple different beliefs to coexist. Falun Gong has obviously gone in this political direction, and that is a positive sign about the religion.

==== Falun Gong supports Donald (Trump, 法轮功支持特朗普)

<<ciro-santilli>> believes without non-circumstantial evidence that the huge majority of Falun Gong believers strongly supports Trump.

Ciro feels that Falun Gong's support of Trump is a fundamental religious issue to the group.

Falun Gong seems to believe that Trump is perfect and that everything that he says is true and good. He is essentially a supernatural force of good, as well shown at: <<you-are-not-alone-by-tony-chen-music>>. And his opponents, e.g. Biden and the Left, are the opposite.

Like everything else concrete, it is not clear if <<li-hongzhi>> has directly supported this or not.

Ciro feels without proof however that it is extremely likely that he has given very clear private directives to his top tenants to support Trump, notably to the heads of the key <<falun-gong-media>> organizations.

And then this belief gets pumped endlessly through the Falun Gong media, which completely unilaterally praises and supports Trump and criticizes his opponents, so that all believers understand that this is Li Hongzhi's desire.

Edit: around 2021-05-15, this got published on <<minghui>>:大纪元新唐人媒体法会讲法-425888.html[]. It is not on <<flg-canon,>> yet, but is extremelly likely to be uploaded later and can already be consiered canon. The title is "Fa Teachings at the <<epoch-times>>/<<ntdtv>> media meeting", and it contains the first, unumbiguous support of Trump done in Canon. Although such support took a long time to come out publicly in canon, <<flg-transparent,which ciro-santilli condems>>, it was a huge positive step forward towards transparency, as it makes Falun Gong's pre-exising but unannounced religious support for Donald trump publicly official. The key quote on Google Translate is:

Everyone knows that the former president of the United States could not be re-elected, and he was taken down by improper means. I only talk about this phenomenon. Isn't it a manifestation of the current state of society? Everyone knows that the former president wants to talk about traditions and restore traditions. What he has to do is to change the moral quality of people and society in a better direction, and to restore society to a better social state. Is he going against the current heavenly principle? Because God's law is not working. Is he against the trend of this society? He is going against the current, and he wants to suffocate the current. If it's a country, maybe he can do it; what about the entire human society, it's too difficult. So, if the entire universe is like this, can it be intercepted? Unstoppable. So, those gods who took him down and those bad gods in the old universe were as timid as they had stolen things in their hearts. They knew what he was doing was good. Do not you know? all know. Although those gods are corrupt, at least he still understands these things

which therefore clearly says Trump is a manifestation of supernatural forces of good, and also clearly says that the 2020 American election was in fact[stolen by the Democrats as per Donald Trump's accusations].

It could have been even more direct, but <<ciro-santilli>> considers this more than direct enough. A Brazillian saying comes to mind: "Para bom entendedor, meia palavra basta" (For the Connoisseur/Expert, half a word is enough). This was notably used as part of an relentless advertisement campain when Ciro was young (certainly too young to drink) for the overly-long-named beer brand[Schincariol], suggesting that you could just call is "schin", e.g. to order it at a bar. Sample ad:[]. Anyways, back to Falun Gong, when it is the word of <<li-hongzhi,Living God himself>>, even a quarter-word is enough I guess.

Prior to that, the most direct public suggestion we can find that Li Hongzhi directly supported Trump was in 2020-11-08 when the <<epoch-times>> published a poem by <<li-hongzhi>> which Ciro believes is clearly directly supporting Trump, since it was released just after Trump was announced to have lost the presidential elections, amidst claims of electoral fraud under investigation, which Falun Gong media fully and completely supported. The official translation can be found in <<flg-canon>>[]:

On the General Election

In this majestic universe, the communist devil is making trouble +
Fraud and corruption are harming a great nation +
All the machinations make people only more despondent +
When will justice be upheld and our conscience restored? +

Hongzhi Li +
November 8, 2020

To be completely fair, Trump has been vocal about China's threat way before <<covid,COVID>>, and correctly so in Ciro's opinion, and therefore is a much needed ally of the Falun Gong movement, and to anyone that opposes China's threat, like Ciro does.

Furthermore, Ciro does believe that there might be a Democrat bias to media, and that certainly <<hate-speech,social media like Twitter should never ever censor any political statements as it has done for Trump>>.

And of course, so long as those pro-Trump campaigns respect the laws of the country, Falun Gong is free to do it and must not be interfered with. As if other major American media didn't have political agendas: <<usa-based-media-bias>>.

This is exactly the same, in fact, as to how <<flg-religion,religious affiliation>> has a huge impact in how the average American votes:[].

It seems that Trump's immigration policies have turned Asian Americans towards the democrat opposition however as of 2019:[].

One saving point of the republicans for Asians is the opposition to university quotas instance, which many Asians feel blocks their high performing kids from top schools for less deserving students. This is suggested for example at: "Opposition to affirmative action was pulling Asians toward the GOP. Then Yang's campaign began to gather momentum."


* NBC News claims that the <<epoch-times>> has donated to Trump propaganda: $1.5 million
* after the[2020 United States presidential election], <<falun-gong-media>> such as <<epoch-times>> was one of the very few medias to not immediately dismiss[Trump's accusations of electoral fraud], as baseless e.g. on 2020-12-12 the front page read "Election outcome unclear amid legal challenges", at which point most had been shot down. And earlier their editorial had clarified[] "Why The Epoch Times Won't Call the Presidential Race Until All Challenges Are Resolved".
** 2020-12-16 consider this sample <<ntdtv>> screenshot of the latest videos published at the time:[], where it can be seen that about 80-90% of the videos are supporting Trump's electoral fraud claims.
While Ciro agrees that reporting such events impartially is important and has merit, the fact that so few medias took the lawsuits seriously at all is still indicative of their strong Trump support.
Ciro is also extremely opposed to censorship of such viewpoints, as done by YouTube, as mentioned at <<fake-news>>, when they started taking down any videos that upheld the electoral fraud viewpoint.
* <<me-and-li-by-ben-hurley-2017>> says how after his conversion to Falun Gong:
My social beliefs had transformed from those typical of a left-leaning family to take on a very conservative hue.

Other election/politics related <<flg-canon>> mentions[Fa Teaching at the 2019 New York Fa Conference]:

Question: Misleading news is everywhere in this Internet age, and it's often hard to tell real news from fake. In the upcoming Taiwan and U.S. general elections in 2020, will fake news cloud people's judgment?

Master: Degenerate things are common in this troubled world, and it's hard to accomplish good things. That's how things are in a troubled world. Many people didn't expect Trump to be elected in the last U.S. election, but he was. Some people believe that things are supposed to go a certain way, but then they turn out otherwise. I have always said that divine beings are in control of human affairs, and that it is they who have the say. But if I speak too much about it or get into the specifics, it might negatively impact our saving people, so I won't go into it.

As usual, Hongzhi beats round the bush, as per "Different Levels of Truth" of <<orange-papers>>. Ciro feels it <<flg-transparent,would be better for Falun Gong if he just publicly said that believers must support Trump>>.

One wonders how Falun Gong views Trump's ideology of "[grabbing them by the pussy]". But sure, that was in 2005, he must have converted to Good since.

Analysis of Trumps electoral fraud claims:

* 2020-11-2020 "Lawsuit tracker: Donald Trump's legal battle runs into repeated dead ends" gives the precise names of several of the cases
* 2021-01-05 "Trump and Republican officials have won zero out of at least 42 lawsuits they've filed since Election Day" gives an update on several of the cases at that date
* 2021-03-31 "Be at peace, meditate, Trump Buddha statue designer tells former president" shows Trump Buddha statues by Hong Jinshi. This could be a huge hit with the Falun Gong community!!!

. You Are Not Alone by Tony Chen Music (陳東音樂, 2020) is a timeless classic devotional Trump support song. by Tony who[is a Falun Gong believer]. This is consistent with Ciro's understanding of FLG's view of the world, where <<falun-gong-believes-that-the-ccp-is-literally-a-manifestation-of-real-devils>> ("I see the true light - You are the Chosen One to fight the Red Demon") and therefore Trump is the manifestation of a supernatural force oof Good. The Chinese version is even more open about Trump's God-like status:[], and contains perls such as (official translation) "I see hope - you are the Chosen One to save the world" and "Trump, Trump, you are not alone! Gods and Buddhas are here with you!". The extensive use of Trump's slogan "Make America great again" is also in line with Falun Gong's belief that the world was Good before, but has become Evil today. <<epoch-times>> made a[profile of Tony in 2018].

=== Western media has exaggerated reports on FLG for propaganda reasons

Possibly true, but which reports are you talking about specifically?

All that I care about is:

* it is censored today
* if you do it you go to jail
* there were tens of millions of followers at the time of the ban

which I think are undeniable.

The only question that matters is: should it be banned or not?

=== Does Ciro Santilli believe in the allegations of human rights violations done to Falun Gong believers?

Besides the obvious prohibition of their most fundamental belief, so e.g. being tortured.

Let's just focus on the evidence:

* "Undercover video reveals brutal treatment of Falun Gong prisoners inside Chinese labor camps" by "FOX 11 Los Angeles" published May 21, 2019. Names mentioned: Fuquan Yin,

==== Does Ciro Santilli believe in the allegations of organ harvesting made by Falun Gong believers?


In short: Ciro believes that it has happened to many people.

Long version follows.

It is obviously very hard to prove and quantify it definitely, much like it was hard to prove the Holocaust: bodies were cremated, and bribes were paid.

Even if we had a video showing the whole process, showing the whole money flow from the donor to the prison guard, it would still be hard to quantify it, so I do have some room for doubt in this opinion.

But consider the following, which is based on what Ciro has heard.

Even Chinese officials have admitted that in the past, if the body of the executed person is not claimed by family, then the organs can be extracted even without the consent of the prisoner:

* 2014-12-04 "China to stop harvesting executed prisoners' organs"

Perhaps now that they claim that there is a large voluntary organ donor database, then this has stopped or been reduced, but let's focus on that period when the extractions were widely done.

From this, even though China does not publish execution statistics, we can imagine that a large part of the organs come from prisoners sentenced to death.

Then, consider that a <<flg-important,70 million>> person religion was banned, leading to a huge influx of prisoners from that religion.

FLG followers are just de-facto criminals like any other, and so extracting their organs is also de-facto legal.

Also, people from that religion don't drink alcohol, smoke or take drugs, and their organs are of good quality.

Furthermore, FLG prisoners continue to not bow down to the government even in prison, e.g. by doing their <<flg-religion,Falun Gong meditation>>, which makes them clearly identifiable and dangerous to the system.

Finally, add to that mix the <<corruption,huge level of corruption found in dictatorships>>.

Don't you think, then, that it is extremely likely that it has happened many times that such people have been selected to be executed earlier than others on average, due to the monetary value of their organs?


* ([archive]) "Analysis of official deceased organ donation data casts doubt on the credibility of China's organ transplant reform" by Matthew P. Robertson, Raymond L. Hinde and Jacob Lavee published at "BMC Medical Ethics" which is part of Springer Nature in 14 November 2019
* The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China's Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem, by Ethan Gutmann, 2014
** <>
** <,_Organ_Harvesting,_and_China's_Secret_Solution_to_Its_Dissident_Problem>


* 2020-11-29 (not of prisoners) "Chinese doctors jailed for illegal organ harvesting"

===== 2018 China Tribunal


This is a mock tribunal, i.e. one without any power of law, and was of course initially lobbied/organized brought up by FLG:

However, Ciro Santilli believes that none of the lawyers/jury members are Falun Gong believers, and that they are trying to honestly decide if there is enough evidence or not for organ harvesting in China.

They also have non-FLG witnesses.

Whether you believe in their partiality or not, I highly recommend watching some of what the witnesses, which I find very convincing and informative:

* Swedish man who spent several years in prison in China

A notable precursor to mock tribunals is the link:[Russel Tribunal].


* Dr. Enver Tothi, has spoken openly about his organ harvesting activities in the 1990s in several tribunals in Europe
** 2020 "Surgeon who harvested organs of slaughtered dissident now London Uber driver"
** 2019 in EU parliament:
** 2017 Him speaking in : at Ireland's[House of the Oireachtas]

=== Things Ciro Santilli dislikes about Falun Gong

But also as explaining why I don't think it justifies the ban.

This section also gives me more credibility as a balanced critic >:-)

* <<flg-religion,Falun Gong downplays the fact that they are a religion>>

==== FLG downplays the fact that it is highly organized

Many FLG practitioners claim that they are not at all organized, or that they have no political interest, and I truly believe that they mean it.

But it is obvious from the size of the <<falun-gong-media>>, namely:

* <<ntdtv>>
* <<epoch-times>> newspaper
* <<shen-yun>> dance troupe

that in practice they do have are a highly organized hierarchical structure, and very likely with <<li-hongzhi,LHZ>> at the very top, e.g.:

* Shen Yun's 2018 libretto says that their Artistic Director and founder is "D.F." (likely an abbreviation for Da Fa, which is an abbreviation for Falun Gong Dafa, which is a full name of Falun Gong), with a picture of LHZ on top. It also amusingly says that D.F. is a "Distinguished Professor of Music and Dance at Fei Tian College in New York", which is likely where many of Shen Yun's dancers are trained, and therefore controlled by himself to a large extent. It's Falun Gong's dance-only-for-now[BYU].
* LHZ mentions NDTV, Epoch Times and Shen Yun extensively on his <<flg-canon>>. TODO link to source, this based on unintentionally overhearing to my family members reading it.

Furthermore, Falun Gong practitioners directly lobby foreign governments to take action against human rights abuses in China, e.g.:


Like any other religion, they have all the right to take those actions, and it is definitely in their best interest, and perhaps in the best interest of the whole world, that they do so.

The only thing that annoys me is their lack of self perception on this matter: the large majority of Western people would definitely classify them as an organized political force after having observed their activities. When they say otherwise, they are hurting their own credibility.

===== FLG media is not transparent about its affiliation

Agreed, and it is a point that hurts more than helps their cause.

This is very clearly put as well at "Front groups" of the <<orange-papers>>.

But the media is not legally obliged to state their affiliation.

And if that were the case, then we should force _all_ newspapers to start taking polls of how many employees follow which religion and support which political party, and then put that in their print.

==== Falun Gong dislikes several other groups like homosexuals and some other religions

Like most <<flg-religion,old religions>>, related: <<hate-speech>>.

<<flg-canon,Canon quote>> from[]:

Question: Why is homosexuality considered immoral?

Teacher: Think about it, everyone: Is homosexuality human behavior? Heaven created man and woman. What was the purpose? To procreate future generations. A man being with a man, or a woman with a woman - it doesn't take much thought to know whether that's right or wrong. When minor things are done incorrectly, a person is said to be wrong. When major things are done incorrectly, it's a case of people no longer having the moral code of human beings, and then they are unworthy of being human.

<<ciro-santilli>> strongly disagrees with that view, because it is the type of thing that makes people feel bad for characteristics that they have, but cannot change.

Also, it is very hard to pass any kind of law that forces people not to be racist/discriminatory, because there is always the lingering question: what if they are right about a particular point?

Because clearly everyone has innate characteristics that make them better suited for certain activities than others, we when we select candidates for a job, we are basically discriminating amongst candidates.

Also any such law can have the opposite effect, acting as a justification for further hate.

You and I dislike certain personality traits without any logical reason.

Democracy dislikes dictators, and it is not necessarily rational.

See also:

* <<intolerance>>
* <<gay-rights>>

===== Falun Gong on races

<<li-hongzhi>> clearly classifies races as a metaphysical concept e.g. on <<flg-canon>>[]:

Strictly speaking, Indians, Egyptians, Persians, the yellow race, the white race, and the black race are the six major races of the present Earth. All the other ones are mixed races.

Mixed race people seem to have some metaphysical defect/peculiarity,[]:

Question: What did you say last time that a person of mixed race has lost?

Teacher: He has lost the body that comes from the top down through to here. Let me put it this way: People of the yellow race have people of the yellow race up there, and people of the white race have people of the white race up there. He's lost this thread.

but they can still go to Heaven:

Question: Can a person of mixed race succeed in cultivation?

Teacher: Whether someone can cultivate and whether he can succeed in cultivation are all up to the person himself. If a person of mixed race can persist in cultivation, he can reach Consummation just the same. When he succeeds in cultivation his Primordial Spirit will return to wherever he came from.

==== FLG believers are less likely to take necessary medication

Based on what <<ciro-santilli>> saw and heard, he does believe, without any clear statistical evidence, that it is very likely that it hs happened to in many cases that some Falun Gong believers refused to take modern medications and died of diseases that could be otherwise cured.

But consider the following:

* what matters are statistics. Maybe FLG people live longer than non FLG in average. But we will never have statistics because of censorship:
* maybe people should be link:[allowed to choose how they want to die], and not to take medication if they don't want to
As the[Parks and Recreation] caricaturally liberal character[Ron Swanson] puts it[about the United States]:
The whole point of this country is if you wanna eat garbage, balloon up to six hundred pounds and die of a heart attack at forty three, you can! You are free to do so. To me that's beautiful.
<<freedom-with-a-capital-f>> also comes to mind.
* maybe the number of people killed during persecution vastly outnumbers those who died because they would not take medication
* several <<flg-religion,religions>>, including <<christianity>> have miraculous cure claims. My impression is that claims were mostly notable in the old times apparently, likely because people noticed that Christians were still dying of all kinds of diseases like everyone else, no matter how devout!
* maybe the main reason why communists banned Falun Gong is the political threat it posed, but that a ban was unjustified given the situation. Christian crosses are being taken down as of 2016, have they stopped taking their medications as well? See also <<rule-of-law>>.
* maybe many of those people would also have died soon even if they had taken medication
* maybe not all Falun Gong believers thought that it was wise to stop taking medication. But their religion was banned anyway. Who can agree and follow all the innumerable prescriptions of any religious or legal system? See also: <<flg-thoughtcrime>>.
* all the following also reduce people's lifespan:
** riding motorcycles vs. cars/buses
** smoking
** moving to a poor country to do charity there
** eating fast food
Forbidding them also has huge humanitarian costs (more expensive vehicles, creation of a black market, ...). So why not forbid them as well?

Especially In the beginning, Falun Gong did put a lot of emphasis on its health benefits, just <<zhong-gong,like all the other contemporaneous Qi Gong practices>>, and it is likely that especially many in the first generation of believers do believe it more than others.

For example, the main initial public announcement of Falun Gong was at a <<history-of-falun-gong,Health Exposition in Beijing>>.

In <<flg-canon>> itself, this is not super explicit and emphasised as far as Ciro can see. Zhuan Falun[] has a chapter entitled "On the Issue of Healing Illnesses", that contains:

Let us talk about the most common illnesses, like tumors, infections or osteoproliferation etc., found in the human body. In another space, a very deep space, there lies an evil intelligent entity.

and the general very beaty-around-the-bush suggestion that if you do master Falun Gong fully, you will be healthy. But with the usual disclaimer that "you have to become a master", and since "there are no graduates", no one is ever a master for sure, and as usual "you don't get the promised goodies", as as mentioned at: <<orange-papers>>. contains some more direct quotes that suggest that you can take medicine, but you have to try and bear the pain first, and if you can't, it's a sign that you haven't practiced Falun Gong well enough:

So when you take medicine now you're killing this sickness or the virus at the surface. Medicine can truly kill viruses at the surface. Yet a practitioner's gong[7] is automatically destroying viruses and karma. But as soon as medicine kills the surface virus that has seeped over from other dimensions, the virus—karma—over on the other side will know, since everything is alive, and it will stop coming over. Then you feel that you've recovered because you took the medicine. But let me tell you that it nonetheless accumulates over there. Life after life human beings are accumulating this stuff. When the accumulation reaches a certain extent, the person becomes incurable and when he dies he's totally destroyed. He loses his life—forever loses his life. That's how horrifying it is. So here I've explained to you the relationship. It's not that people aren't allowed to take medicine. When an everyday person gets sick he definitely needs medical treatment.

But how do we cultivators deal with it? Aren't we purifying your body? Like the annual rings of a tree, there is karma at the very core, and at every layer, life after life, of your body. When you practice cultivation, I keep pushing this karma outward from the center; I push, and push, and push, and push until I completely push the karma out for you. And not all of this can go through the surface of our bodies. You wouldn't be able to bear it if all of it were to go through the surface of your body. Only a portion of it comes out through the surface. But you still feel that you're suddenly getting sick, you find it terribly uncomfortable and painful, can't bear it, regard yourself as an everyday person, and go take medicine. Then you can go ahead and take medicine, as we've never said that everyday people can't take medicine. We only say that your enlightenment quality isn't up to par and that you didn't pass this test well.

Ciro does however believe that newer generations believe in this much less, notably because the first believer generation is all basically old or dead, and soon will be entirely dead. This might also have been de-emphasised to reduce the bullshit aspects and help the international spread of Falun Gong. Not even Falun Gong believers are that blind. And this perfectly mimics the beginning of Christianism, where the first generations gave much more emphasis to miraculous cures.

<<me-and-li-by-ben-hurley-2017>> has an anecdote on this, which Ciro feels sounds believable:

I think it was Lynn's* death that finally made me realise it was time to leave. I'd seen the writing on the wall about a year prior when I saw her at a yearly "Fa conference" for believers of Falun Gong, otherwise known as Falun Dafa, to exchange experiences and grow spiritually together. An executive assistant at a Queensland valuation firm, I'd gotten to know her over the years in various events as a warm and level-headed lady who had time for everyone. But I'd noticed she had developed a bulge on the side of her head and I was trying not to look at it when I talked to her. I saw, or at least I believed I saw, some pain in her smile. She was probably questioning herself over and over again what "attachments" she hadn't let go of that were causing this sickness to spread through her body and endanger her life. I wanted to tell her to just go to a hospital, although I wasn't at this stage resolute enough in my gradual return to logic. Another part of me feared that by looking at it I was acknowledging it — something you don't do with illnesses in Falun Gong because Master Li Hongzhi teaches that his pupils don't get illnesses. He can cure you but only if you don't have any loopholes in your belief in him and his teachings. Some people with solid beliefs can actually die due to others around them having flaws in their thinking, Li says. Just thinking the wrong way is perilous when you're a Falun Gong practitioner.

I later heard through the grapevine of Lynn's death. The cancer went into her brain and she passed away in extreme pain, probably believing to the end that it was her fault she was in this awful predicament. In a way, I guess it was.

and more interesting anecdotes follow, see source.

And Ciro has felt this first hand with his <<wife,mother-in-law>>. Whenever she has a health worry, first she tries to hide it. But then she casually mentions it without much thought because she speaks all the time the poor lady, may she be blessed. And then, when Ciro says: OK, let's try and treat it, even for trivial things that might have simple treatments, she immediately smiles a compassionate smile of "I'm a Falun Gong believer, I don't need that". This makes Ciro really mad. He tries to not show it, because he thinks people should be able to choose how they die. But Li promises the powers of <<flg-cross-dimensional-vision,remote, cross dimensional and past/future vision>> to some believers, and yet, blinds some of them to the obvious fact that they are aging, and, slowly but surely, their own bodies are starting to fail, like everyone else's will at one point.

It is also interesting to note how the Chinese government itself supported Falun Gong and <<zhong-gong,other Qi Gong practices>> for their health benefits, which is why they grew so large in the first place. <<li-hongzhi>> was even <<history-of-falun-gong,awarded prizes and recognized as a Qi Gong master by state backed organizations in 1992 and 1993>>. And the CCP still has a tendency to support certain non-scientific traditional practices: <<support-for-non-scientific-traditional-practices>>.

. one random thing ex-KGB spy undercover in the USA Jack Barsky mentioned in this BuzzFeed Multiplayer interview stuck to his mind: "The one thing that you have here, that I believe cannot be found anywhere else in the world is called Freedom, with a capital F". If people want to die in a certain way, or believe that some bullshit will cure them, they should be allowed. Natural selection will take care of the rest.

See also: <<honour-suicides-in-chinese-history>>.

===== Falun Gong's view of epidemics

<<li-hongzhi>> has said in <<flg-canon,canon>> things that lead certain believers (including e.g. <<wife,Ciro's mother in law>>) to believe that because they are good Falun Gong believers, that they are more safe from disease from evil people.

For example, in the 2003 "Fa conference" at the time of[SARS] he[said]:

You must have seen the epidemic that's come along in China now, right? Hasn't a huge epidemic arrived? To put it in human terms, it's Heaven punishing people. What it's targeting, we Dafa disciples know full well: it's targeting those who don't deserve to be saved, who are impossible to save while Dafa disciples clarify the truth, and who aren't useful to the evil rotten spirits. This is the first round of cleansing. Heaven is punishing the evil, yet China is still lying to cover up the number of deaths, and I'll tell you, it's huge, and it hasn't peaked yet.

Such beliefs have of course carried over directly to <<covid,COVID-19>>.

An amazing quote from[]:

Stay Rational

Pandemics and plagues are part of a divine plan and inevitable in the course of history.

Stay rational. Believe in God ;-)

Epidemics are also likely moments where religious grow due to more people being more desperate and looking for solace that cannot be found in this shitty world.

It is indeed tempting to believe that the virus magically kills only the Evil. What reality could be so fucked up where the innocent suffocate to their death? And yet, here we are.

==== Li Hongzhi (李洪志, LHZ, Falun Gong prophet)


Li Hongzhi is the creator of <<falun-gong>>: link:[].

Falun Gong people call him "master" (师父), which is a common traditional term used to respectfully address experienced teachers in a disciple (弟子)/teacher relation, e.g. Kung Fu or other crafts.

However they also believe that he has many many God-like powers and is comparable figures such as Jesus and Buddha himself.

Notably they believe that he has superpowers, and that everything that he says is the absolute truth of the universe, see also: <<flg-religion>>.

The term "master" is also used for example in the fictional film The Master (2012), which is likely inspired in <<flg-religion,Scientology>>.

<<ciro-santilli>> however prefers to call him <<flg-religion,prophet>>, since he feels LHZ is indistinguishable from <<flg-religion,any other religion>>. Guru/<<flg-cult,cult leader>> could also apply.

It's funny that even though Falun Gong only came up recently in the 80's, we still know relatively little about Li. One is kind of reminded of Jesus! See also <<li-hongzhis-family>> and <<li-hongzhis-hagiography>>.

One should note however that this is partly by design: at some point in the 90's, Li relatively stepped away from public view. This is because once you reach a critical mass of followers, it is better to let them to the preaching for you, while you hide your obvious human defects in a corner. See also comments at <<vissarion>>.

Li Hongzhi footage:

* 1999-06-12 AP USA: "CHINA: FALUN DAFA CULT POSES NO THREAT CLAIMS FOUNDER" Li Hongzhi talks to media in New York

.<<li-hongzhi>> is Falun Gong's prophet/cult leader/living God. He's a cute North-Westerner 东北人 like <<wife,Ciro's wife>>.[Source].

.<<li-hongzhi>> practicing one of his exercises with one of his cute prophet outfits in an extremely nice Chinese[rock garden] (假山/8466165[假山园林]), see also: <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,stone garden>>. TODO exact location and date.[Source].

.<<li-hongzhi,Li>> in front of a light blue background (similar to <<xi-jinping-portrait-blue,CCP official portraits>>) with a[halo] suggestion around his head.[Lower quality version] on <<epoch-times>>.[Source].

.<<li-hongzhi,Li>> going[Super Saiyan] (超级赛亚人/6974315[超级赛亚人]) while casually sitting on a[giant Lotus flower] with a[halo] (圓光[圆光]) on his head. Text at bottom: 法轮修炼大法-李洪志 (TODO confirm 3rd and 4th characters, transates something like Falun Practices Dafa - Li Hongzhi).[Source] on <<minghui>>.

.<<li-hongzhi>> really turning into a proper Buddha, including[physical signs] such as the[Ushnisha] (肉髻[肉髻]) on the head and the["ears as longs as lotus petals"]. On the top right corner we see an <<ntdtv>> watermark. On the bottom left we see a few Western Catholic and Roman looking divinities, representing Falun Gong's syncretic beliefs. The subtitle on center bottom reads in traditional Chinese: "真的有这样光辉形象" (there truly is such a glorious image)[Source] on <<bannedbook>>.

.Dubstep <<li-hongzhi,Li>> can <<flg-religion,liangong (练功)>> at[dubstep] speed.[Source].

. 音乐视频:《师尊的手》<<falun-gong>> music video "The master's hand" contains some a bit of good old time <<li-hongzhi>> footage.

===== FLG is dangerous because Li Hongzhi has too much power over followers

Ciro agrees that there is danger in every religion, and especially new religions.

However the same point can be made about political parties and in particular the CCP and its chairman.

Couldn't a charismatic leader chairman gain more and more power (like Xi seems to be doing), and eventually start a war and kill millions? Or just kill some minority who is not happy about the situation.

Similarly, any charismatic leader of a pro-democracy movement could become the leader of a terrorist organization.

If you ever want democracy, you will have to learn to accept the beliefs of others, and only punish them when they actually break a law.

Finally, LHZ was born in 1951, so he will die in 20 years, unless FLG is true and a miracle happens, and then this argument will become invalid.

From what Ciro hears, LHZ has always maintained that he is the only source of truth on FLG (see also "The Guru is always right"), and therefore, so his death will very likely remove any danger once and for all.

Furthermore, it also seems to Ciro that FLG is clearly anti-violence and self-harm, so Ciro wonder how many would follow a contradictory order such as killing or suicide? We have had no hint of any incitation to violence so far.

It is also interesting to look into the case. When the suicide order came, most people wanted out! Without physically controlling the followers, I don't think you can make them do much.

===== Li Hongzhi's hagiography mentions that there are two versions of the biography:

* An unofficial biography appeared in the first of Li's major publications, <<flg-canon,Zhongguo Falun Gong>>, supposedly authored by journalist Zhu Huiguang (朱慧光).
The full text appears to be at available at: (God bless <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> piracy, link:++[archive])
<<benjamin-penny-the-life-and-times-of-li-hongzhi-2003>> gives the full title of the section + a translation (originally in pinyin, but why?!?! :-)):
法輪旋轉新天地-記李洪志先生和他創立的法輪功 +
"The wheel of the law revolves the new cosmos - on Li Hongzhi and the Falun Gong he founded".
* A second, official spiritual biography appeared in early editions of <<flg-canon,Falun Gong's primary text, Zhuan Falun>>.
It is shorter than the first, and is marked as authored by the "Falun Dafa Research Society's President" (法轮功研究会会长).
The Wiki quotes <<benjamin-penny-the-religion-of-falun-gong-2012>>.
Penny says that it was removed in 1999 (presumably to remove some more glaring magical bullshit help with internationalization).
A possible Chinese copy might be found at: inside a 1994 version of Zhuan Falun.
The section is entitled "中国法轮功创始人、法轮功研究会会长 李洪志先生小传", so literally tranlated as a "profile" (小传) rather than a full biography. The index marks it as 附 (addendum), and it comes at the end of the book.

===== What will happen to Falun Gong when Li Honzhi dies?

===== Let's make a mini series about Li Hongzhi's life

Ciro can't help but to imagine how Falun Gong came about in detail.

Someone should write a["The Last Temptation of Christ"].

This deserves an American miniseries like Chernobyl.

It would manage to piss off both FLG and the CCP, which would be amazing. It is a shame that it is so difficult to find good historical information between the infinite barrages of CCP and FLG propaganda.

It could show how:

* Li was an ordinary dude who could liked to play the trumpet, which partially explains his focus on <<falun-gong-media,Shen Yun>> and Falun Gong musical street parades
* Li first heard about Qi Gong, and went to practice it under some dude. Then how he saw other people were so into it, and decided to take this opportunity to make a career out of it during the 80's
* how he met his wife and had a daughter
* how he started to notice how people were feeling things during the exercise classes, and started suggesting more and more metaphysics to these first disciples
* Li could also have some metaphysical moment, like but at the same time, he must tell his followers some lies which he does not believe
* how followers started telling others things and "experience sharing" where the cycle of belief stats to take off
* a clear demonstration of how "A group of early adopters in Changchun became disenchanted after Li forbade his followers from charging fees for the practice at the end of 1994" showing dissent within the cult
* and finally, the immigration and crackdown, and how he put his fingers on those things, and the creation of media, this could be the last episode

Episodes could be split along:

* Episode 1: pre Qi Gong, shows Childhood, workplaces, early motivations. Ends with first contact with a Qi Gong lesson
* Episode 2: early Falun Gong. Opens an academy. Starts without metaphysics, but grows into it. Show him knowingly lying, but also seething magic things. The first followers, and top lieutenants. Makes some management mistake, but gets away with it. Could end in a metaphysical scene, or 13 May 1992 initial public lesson. Maybe a scene of Li's visit to <<thailand>> in 1983 (photo from CCP media found on Google).
* Episode 3: later Falun Gong in China. It grows, show in Chinese news. Power struggles, problems with early lieutenants, and new lieutenants come up. Many people practice on streets. Battle against <<zhong-gong>>. Near 1996, something tips Li off to the fact that the CCP is going to crack down on them, and so he announces that he will be spreading abroad full time. Check out if this was before or after the first Anti FLG newspaper article in 1996-06-17.
* Episode 4: preaching outside of China and emigration. American permanent residence in 1998. Watches crackdown on television. International Falun Gong media. Show him at Falun Gong New York <<dragon-springs,"Dragon Springs">> complex

Or maybe, never mind that boring post 1992 stuff which is already highly public, instead we could focus only on the more interesting pre-1992 events, and finish in 1992.

So per-early FLG up to 1992, with childhood flashbacks.

The tone should of course be a mixture of:

* personal insight of the master
* the love of a follower
* external view of their shortcomings

Parts of the series could be filmed in <<taiwan>> maybe?

Source material: <<history-of-falun-gong>>.

Related videos:

* (2017) about[]. Ciro feels that Falun Gong believers would not be as open with external questioners.
But who knows. Episode 3 shows how Rajneesh implemented <<careful-control-of-your-image>>: Sheela was the front-person, and had meetings with him every evening.
* The Master (2012)

====== Xi Hongzhi and Li Jinping (习洪志和李近平)

In an alternate reality, Xi Hongzhi, not to be confused with <<xi-jinping>>, is an obscure peasant trying to save his kingdom from oppression.

And Li Jinping, not to be confused with <<li-hongzhi>>, is an evil Qi Gong who uses his powers to rule over his kingdom ruthlessly, ridding it of non-believers.

This meme would be offensive to both <<ccp>> and <<falun-gong>> believers.

We are entering Encyclopedia Dramatica territory here.

===== Li Hongzhi's family (李洪志的家庭)

Jesus appeared to value chastity. He was born from a virgin. No sex around him at all.

But Li doesn't need that. He's a God, right, he can both be an Enlightened God part time and still have a normal family part time.

Once thing Ciro approves about Li's approach to his family is that he seems to have stated (TODO source) that none of them are Gods like him.

Wife's name: Li Rui (李瑞 according to CCP). Report saying that a follower bought a house and registered it on Li Rui's name as a gift, but Li later returned the gift back: TODO house address.

* daughter: Li Meige (李美歌) claims born 1982-06 on <<kaiwind>> says that she performs in <<shen-yun>> under the name "Christina Li" and even won awards. This Falun Gong sources confirm that a "Christina Li" was a Shen Yun lead dancer as of 2011, but does not confirm that she is the daughter of Li Hongzhi: If this is true, talk about <<orange-papers,"different levels of truth">>! The article also claims that she has had other pseudonyms, including: "Annie Li" and "Li Jingjing" (李晶晶). Here are web archives of the now broken of course Shen Yun pages Kaiwand links to as evidence of her constant name changing (but no mention of her father):
** possibly CCP sources report that Meige married in 2017, likely near the Falun Gong Day (13th May): e.g. says many felicitation posts were posted on <<falun-gong-media,minghui>>, so this is likely widely known within the Falun Gong community, but the idiots who wrote that page don't know how to link to sources. Ciro could not find the groom's name.
* brothers and sisters, all younger:
** Li Jun (李君) older younger sister
** Li Ping (李平) younger younger sister
*** <<china-daily>> mentions that Li Jiguang (李继光), the second husband of one of Li Pingy died in 2012
*** Notably, Li Ping's alleged husband Sun Senlun (Natawut Smittipong, 孙森伦) is a Chinese-Thai, and allegedly wrote an account of Li Hongzhi's family in the 1980's: <<diaries-of-being-in-thailand-with-li-hongzhi-s-family>>
The book also claims that they had two children Sun Baoyuan (孙宝圆) and Sun Baoman (孙宝满), which Li later managed to rename Li Baoyuan (李宝圆) and Li Baoman (李宝满).
<<shen-yun>> had dancers called with those exact same Chinese character names between 2009 and 2020, so it is very likely that it is them:
**** Li Baoyuan:李宝圆.html
**** Li Baoman:李宝满.html
** Li Hui (AKA Li Donghui) younger brother
* father: Li Dan
* mother: Lu Shuzhen. claims that she died on 2016-08-24 in New York. TODO find a decent report.

There are also claims that Li's birth name was Li Lai (李來).


* <<benjamin-penny-the-religion-of-falun-gong-2012>> gives further family members (some of them are based only on CCP sources however):
*[] claims to contain the biography of Li Hongzhi's family (likely all according to CCP sources), including several good pictures: The photo given there for Li Jun appears on this apparently FLG source without mention of the name:

.Li Hongzhi with his wife Li Rui and daughter Li Meige presumably in the late 80's with fishing ships in a shipyard in the background. TODO location. Likely from CCP sources, in many places with <<chinese-government-media,kaiwnd>> watermarks.[Anti-FLG source].

.Photo of Christina Li from Shen Yun, which the CCP claims to be Li Meige, daughter of Li Hongzhi. That page also claims that she was awarded Bronze in the 2009 and 2010 NDT Chinese Dance Competition.[Source].

===== Diaries of being in Thailand with Li Hongzhi's family (我与李洪志一家在泰国的日子——法轮功教主妹夫的自述)

An alleged account of Li Hongzhi's family in the 1980's written by his brother-in-law Sun Senlun (Natawut Smittipong, 孙森伦), who married Li Ping.

ISBN 9789996590252:[]

This is reproduced likely without copyright on many CCP sources, e.g.: which links to <<kaiwind>>'s HTML reproduction.

The <<kaiwind>> links are all dead now, but they are all still visible under:

It is a good reading if you take everything with a grain of salt, does sound quite believable. claims that Li lived in Sun's house in Thailand from May 1991 to March 1992. And that he was baffled when Li started telling the miraculous events of his <<li-hongzhis-hagiography,hagiography>> in the 1992 public talks, how could his wife never told him about any of those amazingly important life events before that point?

TODO find original publishing location and date.

This appears to be an interview with Sun Senlun about the book: (watermarked <<kaiwind>> on top)

Semi weirdly though, claims that Senlun was a coordinator of Falun Gong in Thailand as of 2001.原北京师大研究生陶渊在浙江第四监狱遭受的迫害-399012.html[] from 2020 by <<minghui>> claims the book slanders Li Hongzhi's family, and that the CCP forced prisoners to read it.

===== Dragon Springs (龙泉)

Li Hongzhi's Falun Gong complex in New York state countryside, where he lives, and organizes <<shen-yun>>.

Started in the 2000's in New York State with money donated by believers.

* 1999 "Falun Gong US compound's neighbors fret over expansion plans"

<<china-daily>> claims that <<li-hongzhi>>'s appartment in 2012 was the number 136-08 on 59th avenue, Flushing, NY. confirms Flushing. Also mentions key 1999 lieutenant Erping Zhang,[] confirms with photo.

=== Qigong fever (气功热 , 1980's)

AKA Qigong Boom.

* 特异功能、法功灭火、铝锅传功……80年代的气功热究竟有多疯狂? (How crazy was the Qi Gong boom after all?) on <<zhihu>>

==== Zhong Gong (中功, 中华养生益智功, Qigong religion)


A very similar religion to <<falun-gong>>, that also emerged during the[Qigong fever] (气功热) of the '80s and '90s.

Zhong Gong was the second most sucessful Qigong Boom religion after Falun Gong.

The similarity of their imagery as seen from propaganda videos is striking. To <<ciro-santilli>>, this makes Zhong Gong a perfect example of why <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong,FLG metaphysics is bullshit>>: it is obvious that both Zhong Gong and Falun Gong and many others were just random dudes who took advantage of the Qigong fever to create their religions.

Their prophet is <<zhang-hongbao>>.

Interestingly, like <<li-hongzhi>> who is from <<jilin>>, Hongbao is also from the Northeast of China (<<heilongjiang>>), there must be a reason why those Qi Gong movements come from that region.

Unlike Falun Gong however, Zhong Gong failed to branch the franchise out of China, and basically died out. Hongbao also died in a car crash in 2006 which didn't help. Li Hongzhi however played smarter, and started branching abroad full force in 1996, he likely predicted that the crackdown was inevitale.

Wikipedia says it reached 34 million followers in China.

Hongbao also has a more spicy history it seems, with sexual allegations and open political goals <<flg-political,unlike Li Hongzhi, who hid his goals better>>. Well played, Li, well played.

<<li-hongzhi>> maintains in <<flg-canon,canon>> that Falun Gong is of course extremely different from all of those other extremely similar Qi Gong religions. Zhong Gong is likely not mentioned by name, but it is also likely one of the main targets. E.g. in 1998 <<flg-canon,canon>>[]:

Dafa can't be obtained lightly. For example, the diversity of cults and the number of false qigongs are large these days, and they lead people astray. Many people who are capable of cultivating get sucked into them, and some of them engage in suicide - it's a mess.

Zhong Gong videos:

* googd Zhong Gong playlist
* Zhong Gong people "experience sharing". It truly is exactly like Falun Gong.
* this appears to be positive mainstream media coverage of Zhong Gong
* video of Hongbao giving a lecture dated 1994 and commented "Qiling kylin Tianhua culture"
* video dated January 21st, 2007 of Monks praying after his death
* contains a bunch of what appear to be extremely low quality Zhong Gong propaganda videos. It is very similar to Falun Gong's of course.

The embassy spokesman says Chinese officials have ample evidence of sect leader Zhang Hongbao's involvement in crimes such as rape and murder.

.Zhang Honbao, creator of <<zhong-gong>>, sitting on a giant flying lotus reaching Enlightenment with a halo. It looks <<li-hongzhi-lotus,exactly like Falun Gong imagery>>. But of course, Zhong Gong is just a "completely unrelated and inferior sect" according to <<li-hongzhi>>. TODO transcribe.[Source].

.The blue background, the halos, the praying hands, the master Zhang Hongbao flying above. It is just exactly like <<flg-blue,Falun Gong imagery>>.[Source] (<<chinese-government-media>>)

.Hungarian <<falun-gong>> propaganda image with woman meditating in with blue sky background for comparison with <<zhong-gong-blue,similar Zhong Gong imagery>>.[Source].

.Side by side comparison between <<zhong-gong>> on the left, and <<falun-gong>> on the right. In <<ciro-santilli>>'s opinion, nothing highlights better that both are fake than the fact that they are clearly part of the same historical movement of the Qigong Boom, while at the same time affirming that the other one is fake or inferior.

===== Zhang Hongbao (张宏堡)


Prophet of <<zhong-gong>>, just like <<li-hongzhi>> is the prophet of <<falun-gong>>.

==== Xiang Gong (香功, 中国芳香智悟气功, Qigong religion)

This was possibly the third most popular Qi Gong of the <<qigong-fever>> after <<falun-gong>> and <<zhong-gong>>. It is mentioned for example at <<the-falungong-phenomenon-by-hu-ping-2003>>.

Literal translation:

* Fragrant Gong
* China Fragrang Wisdom Comprehension Gong

It is however so obscure that there isn't even a wikipedia page for it anymore!

The prophet's name was Tian Ruisheng (田瑞生). He's the old due at: with little badges on his coat. He can be seen lecturing for example at:

Some mentions in English:

* Xiang Gong: The Fragrant Mind Awakening Qigong (2020) Interesting quote:
Basically, the origin of this qigong comes from Master Tian Ruisheng. Master Tian Ruisheng was taught this as a ill young boy by a traveling buddhist monk. He was told to practice it every day and not reveal it until 50 years later. He diligently practiced and eventually taught it after 50 years. It quickly became a popular qigong in China.
This is exactly the type of "Creation Story" that <<li-hongzhi>> invented. Notably, it is not something he just made up to take advantage of the obvious <<qigong-fever>>. No, it is something that he developped his entire life, and only started teaching at that point due to a coincidence!
This is notably highlighted in <<diaries-of-being-in-thailand-with-li-hongzhi-s-family>>. Li's sister just casualy never mentioned to her husband that her brother had been having mystical training for several years, until he finally announced it in the early days of <<falun-gong>>.
In Tian's case however, he is truly really old. This is possibly a major reason why he didn't get as big as Falun Gong. It is terribly discriminatory, but who wants to look at an old ugly dude? Especially when he's likely teaching stuff that is supposed to cure diseases. <<li-hongzhi>> and
* Chinese Crackdown Goes Beyond Falun Gong (2000) mentions <<zhong-gong>> and <<xiang-gong>>. Says it is from AP News, but I can't find the original. But the language does look "AP-like".
China's entirely state-run media and the government have trumpeted the crackdown on Falun Gong. Thousands of practitioners have been detained since it was outlawed in July in the campaign against what the government says is an evil cult.

But authorities refuse to talk about the clampdown on other qi gong organizations, and state media have all but ignored it. So far the campaign has affected at least five groups, practitioners, government sources and human rights organizations say.
The other groups, even smaller, are mentioned in the article next:
** Cibei Gong (慈悲功, Compassion Gong). Possible Chinese name mentioned at: 武汉侦破“法轮功”的变种慈悲功 (Wuhan investigates Falun Gong variant Cibei Gong) from a <<pro-chinese-government-media>>. The word for variant is the same as for "mutation", which brings funnily <<covid>> to mind.
** Guo Gong (国功, Country Gong). Not even the patriotic name was able to prevent crackdown!
** Bodhi Gong. TODO fins Chinese.
+ also mentions some of them.

Some mentions in Chinese:

* on <<zhihu>>:
** 香功是什么?为什么国家要禁止习练香功? (What is Xiang Gong? Why did the country [China] forbit practicing Xiang Gong?) by 吴庆元. Mentions the <<flg-medication>> argument, but it is from a pro-Qi Gong writter in general.
** 香功是邪教吗? (Is Xiang Gong an Evil Cult?)
* 我们回顾一下80/90年代所谓的"大师" (Looking back at the so-called "Masters" of the 80s/90s) on <<sohu>>

In other languages:

* Treinamento Perfumado Nível 1 (Xianggong) completo (Complete Xiang Gong training, level 1 complete) by Maria Lucia Lee (2017)
This is the YouTube channel of a Brazillian Xianggong parcticionner.
This reminded <<ciro-santilli>> of a Qigong/Taichi course he went to for a few months when he was a young teenager in Santos, Brazil, attended almost exclusively by older ladies.
Some people, even outside China, like "mystic stuff", and may start a mystic stuff practice, more or less affiliated to a certain current of mysticism.
Especially since people know nothing about any of the currents, partly due to the language barrier, it often becomes a larger more dilluted current os mysticisms.
The same likely applied to that course Ciro attended, but at the time he was clueless and didn't really classify his teacher's influences.
Ciro must say however, that some of the exercises were good, and have become a permanent part of Ciro's[Cirodance].
The only thing Ciro rejects completely is the metaphysical bullshit: <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong>>.
Though if something has a lot of metaphysical bullshit, it makes it hard for Ciro to practice it without thinking about the metaphysics.
Maria speaks perfect Portuguese, and given the name Lee she must be a second or later generation immigrant. She's likely from Sao Paulo. Here's a video of her in the 70's: when she was likely in her late 30's, already as a Qigong teacher.
Mystical movements like that likely had a decent following in Brazil, especially in the 70's linked to the[Hippies] (嬉皮士[嬉皮士]). Ciro's mother mentioned some related stories of her friends.
At for example

=== Falun Gong bibliography

* on <<quora>>
* at <<zhihu>>
* further developed at: <<flg-cult>>

==== The Falungong Phenomenon by Hu Ping (2003)

Published on the China Rights Forum from <<hric>>.

==== Me and Li by Ben Hurley (2017) "Me and Li" by Ben Hurley published on October 23, 2017.

This post by a former believer gives what <<ciro-santilli>> feels is a realistic account that matches Ciro's observations.

Interesting quotes:

* <<me-and-li-tumor>>

The following echoes "Different levels of truth" from <<orange-papers>>:

Most would find they had little in common with non-practitioners ("ordinary people" in Falun Gong parlance) but would maintain cordial relations with friends and family nonetheless, and think of various ways to explain the edge off some of Falun Gong's less palatable teachings about aliens, how heaven views gay people, the inferiority of other religions and Master Li's role in saving the universe.

==== History of Falun Gong 法轮功历史


A few non-religious non-CCP resources can be found at:

* Sun Senjun's accounts from the 1980's, see: <<li-hongzhis-family>>

but those are very rare, because where else would the information come form, right?

Some key events:

* 1989: initial private beta courses. TODO key interesting moment.
* 1992-05-13: initial public lecture at the 1992 International Health Exposition in Beijing, and opening main academy on No. 5 Middle School in Changchun, <<jilin>> (capital).
TODO what did he talk about on that Beijing day. This day still celebrated in 2020 as["Falun Dafa Day"], in which the major international "<<orange-papers,Experience Sharing>> Conference" happens in New York.
He apparently also taught at Chaoyang Park in Changchun:

===== The Life and times of Li Hongzhi by Benjamin Penny (2003)

Free to read at:

===== The Religion of Falun Gong by Benjamin Penny (2012)

A freely downloadable paper with a subset of the book:

The author: is an Australian researcher,

== Chinese politicians 中国政治家

=== Xi Jinping (习近平, 2012-∞, Heil卐!)


==== Xi abolishes term limits (习近平取消国家主席任期限制, 2018-03)

* 包子露宪 by <<china-digital-times>>

.<<rebel-pepper>> cartoon showing Xi Jinping preparing to sleep in[Mao Zedong's tomb], meaning that Xi also wants to reach Mao's "eternal ruler" status when he abolished term limits in 2018.[Source].

.1977 photo showing Mao's actual glass tomb during his funeral, with famous politicians in the background. It is interesting to see that Mao[features on the "Fandom Mummipedia Wiki"].[Source].

.[The Economist] "Let's party like it's 1793" cover from May 4th – 10th 2013 depicting a painting of Xi Jinping dressed as emperor of China. The famous[Qianlong Emperor] was in power at that time. The title is likely a joke based on the more well known["Let's party like it's 1969"] due to the legendary[Woodstock festival]. Party is also a play on words between the Communist Party and a night party. TODO why 1793 specifically.[Source].

==== Panama papers (巴拿马文件, 2016)


Leak of financial data implicating <<corruption,many corruption scandals>>.

Most notable people implicated:

* <<xi-jinping>> through his brother-in-law[Deng Jiagui] (邓家贵[邓家贵]).
*[Jia Qinglin] (贾庆林[贾庆林]), fourth in Chinese power from 2003 to 2013, through:
** Jasmine Li (李紫丹), his granddaughter
**[Li Pak-tam] (李伯潭[李伯潭]), his son-in-law
* <<li-peng>> through his daughter[Li Xiaolin] (李小琳[李小琳])
* <<bo-xilai>> through his associate[Patrick Henri Devillers]
*[Liu Yunshan] (刘云山[刘云山]), politburo 2012-2017, through his daughter-in-law Jia Liqing

See also <<ciro-santilli>>'s answer to[What is the net worth of Xi Jinping?] answer on <<quora>>.

===== Foreign citizenship of Xi Jinping's family

<<li-hongzhi,Cult leaders>> hate having <<li-hongzhis-family,their families examined>>. So let's do it.

TODO confirm: from <<reddit>>.

One Redditor[translated]:

* Xi's eldest sis - Canadian
* Xi's 2nd sis - Australian
* Xi's younger bro - Australia
* Xi's daughter - American. Really???
* Hu's daughter - American
* Jiang's grandchild - American
* Deng's son - American
* Deng's grandchild - American
* Mao's grandchild - American

====== Xi Mingze (Xi Jinping's daughter, 习明泽)习明泽

Went to Harvard from 2010 to 2014 under pseudonym, apparently Xiao Muzi (小木子).

The news was apparently broken in 2012 by the UK tabloid Daily Mail: mentions:

The Chinese elite is no doubt keen to avoid questions about how exactly Xi Jinping can afford his daughters fees. Officially, his salary is less than $13,000 a year, and Xi's circle has been remarkably cagey about reports of his family's true wealth before.

plus 24-hour bodyguards. <<panama-papers>> comes to mind. says birthday June 27, 1992. gives some public appearances, e.g. in New York in 2018.

==== Xi Jinping memes (习近平模因)

Master issue:

* 習包子: says:
Xi Jinping got his nickname as "Xi baozi 習包子" ("<<buns,steamed stuffed bun Xi>>") due to the much publicized visit he made to the famous Qìngfēng bāozi pù 庆丰包子铺 ("Qingfeng baozi shop") in Beijing. During and after his visit to the shop, media swarmed over the place and were eager to portray an image of Xi as being down to earth and close to the people. Those who dislike Xi use this nickname sarcastically against him for being a hick and for hypocritically "putting on a show" (zuòxiù 作秀).
See also: <<buns>>.
* 大撒币: says:
It can be translated as "big spender," a play on the literal translation of the words sā bì 撒币 "throw money" and "stupid cunt" (shǎ bī 傻逼). The nickname takes aim at the economic aid Xi has promised to foreign countries; the moniker is so widely used on Chinese social media that the censors' repressive measures only draw more attention to it, and to the criticism embedded within it.
See also: <<shitpost>>.

.<<xi-jinping>> photoshopped as[The Joker] (小丑_(角色)[小丑]). Would have been perfect with[2020-09-22 Ren Zhiqiang - who called Chinese president a 'clown' - jailed for 18 years], see also: <<corruption>>.乌合麒麟新作一尊小丑/[Source].

.<<xi-jinping>>, <<jiang-zemin>> and <<hu-jintao>> photoshopped on top of a clothing advertisement (TODO original). The text reads: "江胡险恶 习以为常". TODO understand. 江胡 are the surnames of <<jiang-zemin>> and <<hu-jintao>>. 习 is the surname of; <<xi-jinping>>. "习以为常" is a fixed expression that means "to get accustomed to". Also asked at: on <<mohu>>, and explained at: from <<falun-gong-media>>.[Source]

. ([GitHub 上传 upload]) <<xi-jinping>> Carrie Lam Leonardo di Caprio Kate Winslet Titanic Deepface by GFWfrog. 由墙国蛙蛤蛤习近平 林郑月娥 莱昂纳多迪卡普里奥 凯特温斯莱特 泰坦尼克号.[Source].

===== Xi Jinping lookalikes (习近平撞脸)

.2019-05-21[Sadomasochist] (虐戀_(性學)[虐恋])[BDSM] ([zh], SM) <<xi-jinping>> lookalike or photoshop in[bondage suit] (gimp suit, fetish gear) at a cosplay fair. TODO: is this a Photoshop and if yes what's the original pic, publish dates, location/event. <<ciro-santilli>> googled a lot for it, but it was beyond his skills :-( Earliest post found so far: 2019-05-21 08:49:20 GMT+1 (Imgur timestamp) going wild on <<ptt>>:[] entitled "這位coser是誰啊?好眼熟。" (Who is this Cosplayer? He looks familiar.) by user "a15568". Watermark reads "I am Dasen 郭", where "郭" is[a common Chinese surname]. Notable discussion threads:[r/China 2019-08-01],[r/China 2020-12-16],[2019-08-01]

.2020-01-01[Pan-fried dumpling] Xi Jinping lookalike (生煎包习近平撞脸). Furthermore, this reminded people of <<xi-jinping-memes,習包子>>. A <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> report from 2020-01-01: TODO name, location. One of the many videos of him:[]

.2020-05-12 Liu Keqing (刘克清) is an opera singer who had his personal videos on <<tiktok>> taken down from time to time because he looks too much like <<xi-jinping,The One>>.【立此存照】只因太像习近平?歌唱家刘克清形/[China Digital Times report]. One of his personal vlogs reuploaded to YouTube where he shared singing techniques and thoughts:[]. A video of him performing professionally in a chamber concert: 2018-11-02[].

Less good ones:

* 2014-06-23 "Shao Jianhua" TODO Chinese name, name of dish he sells. Too young and not fat enough.
* in video from Stuart Wiggin, see also: <<ccp-apologists>>

===== Xi Jinping porn (习近平色情)

TODO <<ciro-santilli>> is very interested in finding this!

* good Photoshops:
** <<xi-jinping-bdsm-cosplay,Xi Jinping BDSM at cosplay fair>>
** Xi Jinping GIF photoshop tearing his shirt off AKA "Who you calling <<winnie-the-pooh,winnie>>"
* bad Photoshops:
** bad Photoshop of adding a Xi Jinping face to a BDSM porn actor. TODO find image
* Hentai
** 2016 日本漫画家报复中国不尊重版权疑似毛泽东习近平成色情主角 (Japanese cartoonist revenges China for disrespect of copyright, suspected of Mao Zedong and Xi Jinping as pornographic protagonist) by <<rfa>>. Appears to be by artist Rin Sanada (真田鈴[真田鈴]) Part of the idea is that to prevent copyright infringement, you just use something that will be forbidden in China anyways!
*** TODO how to access it in full? Work name?
*** screenshot used on <<ptt>>
*** screenshot used in a <<mohu>> thread

===== Xi Jinping looks like Winnie-the-Pooh (习近平长得像小熊维尼, 2017)

Got censored due to comparisons between Xi Jinping and Winnie in 2017:

Thailand has their own version: <<thai-king-hamtaro>>.

In <<xi-dada>> we see that a <<peoples-daily>> video actually interviews someone who mentions that, so the meme has had a positive connotation at least some point in the past.


* 2021-06-07: Triple A game[Cyberpunk 2077] developer used a "Winnie the Pooh" label internally to mark game content that needed to be censored for the Chinese release as shown by a source code leak
** More precisely, the constant was named `Censor_WinnieThePooh`, with a comment `// China`.

Some good photoshops:

.Comparison image between Xi Jinping waking with then USA president[Barack Obama] with a Winnie-the-Pooh cartoon still of Winnie walking with[Tigger, the tiger]. The original photo is from[Xi's 2013 visit to the Annenberg Retreat at Sunnylands, California].[Source].

.Comparison image between Xi Jinping shaking hands with[the Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe] and a Winnie-the-Pooh cartoon still of Winnie shaking hands with the[Eeyore, the donkey]. The original photo is from[Abe's lacklustre 2014 visit to Beijing].[Source].

.Comparison image between Xi Jinping on a car in a 2015 military parade and a toy Winnie-the-Pooh on a car.[Source].

.Real photo of Xi Jinping edited to look like Winnie the Pooh.[Source].

. "Xi Jinping as Winnie the Pooh Dancing to Bat Out of Hell by Meatloaf" by TheFakening (2020). Deep fake of several girls wearing Winnie the Pooh clothes with a Xi Jinping face. The song choice "Bat Out of Hell" is a reference to <<covid,COVID>> because one of the theories is that the disease started in bats.

====== Xi Dada (习大大, 2015)

Benevolent[personification] of <<xi-jinping>>. Part of the <<ccp-cult>>.

2015-09-23 "Who is Xi Dada"?

That article comments on "Who is Xi Dada?" by <<peoples-daily>> (2015-09-23) in which several foreign students in China praise <<xi-jinping>> in English. notably states: "They also refer to him as <<winnie-the-pooh,Winnie-the-Pooh>>". Priceless.

What does dada mean:í-Jìnpíng-called-Xí-Dàdà

Some other sources:

* 2015-03-08 ""习大大"再次燃起中国人的领袖崇拜之情" (Xi Dada reignties Chinese Leader's cult once again)

.Golden heart shaped souvenir with a picture of Xi Jinping that was sold in <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square>> in 2018.[Source].

.Souvenirs sold in Beijing with the bust of Xi Jinping and Mao Zedong circa 2020. TODO: what is the shape of those souvenirs meant to evoke?[Source].

.Xi Jinping in 2019 wearing his cute compassionate face. Do you think that such a cute cute North-Westerner 东北人 would ever to terrible things like <<xinjiang,committing cultural genocide of a million people>> or <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,trying to become ruler for life>>? Impossible, it must be <<evil-west,American lies>>.

===== Chrysanthemium Xi Jinping (菊花习近平, 2015)

Got creator Dai Jianyong (戴建勇) arrested in 2015:

* by <<china-digital-times>>

.Chrysanthemum <<xi-jinping>> with <<tiananmen,六四>> spice added by Ciro Santilli

.Original Chrysanthemum <<xi-jinping>> by Dai Jianyong published in 2015.[Source].

.Possible original Xi Jinping photo used for Chrysanthemum Xi, possibly from 2012. The light blue gradient background was used for the official photos of many Communist officials of the era.,28804,2111975_2111976_2112111,00.html[Source].

==== Xi Jinping Thought (习近平新时代中国特色社会主义思想, 2017)


Added to the Constitution in preparation for <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,eternal rule>>.

<<xi-jinping>>'s <<little-red-book>>. But since it is the 21st century, there's an app for it instead called "Study (for a) Strong Country" (学习强国) designed by <<alibaba>>:


Online video version courtesy of <<xinhua>>:[]. Contains <<ccp-cult,devotional>> videos, not text:

Notably, it consists of 14 chapters, which are called "talks" (讲), e.g. the first talk (第一讲) etc. This is exactly like <<li-hongzhi>>'s <<flg-canon,Zhuan Falun>> (and likely like other ancient Chinese religious texts).

.<<ccp-cult,Devotional>> image of <<xi-jinping>> on the cover of the[The Governance of China] (link:习近平谈治国理政[习近平谈治国理政], 2020) book which is part of <<xi-jinping-thought>>. The similarity to <<li-hongzhi>> devotional images <<li-hongzhi-lotus,is striking>>. Related: <<xi-halo>>.[Source].

===== Two safegards (两个维护, 2018)兩個維護

Part of <<newspeak,Xi-speak>>.

===== Xuexi Qiangguo app (Study for a strong country app, 学习强国, xxqg, 2019)


App made by <<alibaba>> for the <<ccp>> to teach people <<xi-jinping-thought>>.

Literally means "study for a strong country".

One of the beautiful things about that name is that is reminds one of the <<slang,expression>> "强国人" (strong country person), coined in during the 2014 during the <<hong-kong-protests-2014>> to refer ironically to Mainland Chines people, due to their exaggerated self-perceived strength and superiority, see also <<wumao-2011-vs-little-pink-2021,Wumao 2011 vs little pink 2021>>. A homonym "墙国" (wall country) is also known as a reference to the <<gfw>>,[sample usage].

The app appears to have both content, and also tests to check that you've read the bullshit.

At a <<reddit>> user explains:

Many people are also forced to use the app "强国学习" in order to keep their jobs. Especially government workers. They have to study XiJinPing thought for certain amount of time each week and do exams.

This is confirmed e.g. at:


Within the first four months of Xuexi Qiangguo’s release, it was the most downloaded app in China with over 100 million downloads, surpassing China’s most popular messaging, social media and mobile payment app, <<wechat>> and the <<tiktok,Chinese version of TikTok, known as Douyin>>.

To use the app is not exactly voluntary. The Communist Party has issued directives that requires party members to download the app and use it. Many workplaces have done the same and it has been reported that employees are required to send screenshots to document their progress on the app. If they don’t, they are at risk of a pay deduction.

To put it in perspective, over 90 million Chinese are members of the Communist Party, and there are nearly 850 million internet users and almost 690 million smart phone users in China, as of 2019. It is, however, not clear whether the people who have downloaded the app genuinely are interested in learning about Xi Jinping’s political ideology, or if they feel like they must download it to show loyalty to the party.

====== Fuck-XueXiQiangGuo (Fuck学习强国)[]

This <<github>> repository appears to help cheat the Xuexi qiangguo, see also: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>.

The program's executable file name is actually `./Fuck学习强国`, a thing of beauty.

Several video demos can be found on YouTube:

* "2021@学习强国辅助之Ai强国&科技强国" by Axiom Show shows the Android App
* "习近平的学习强国和fuck 学习强国 | 如何从github上获取fuck xuexiqiangguo | 如何使用fuck xuexiqiangguo" by "中国人每日秀 The Chinese Daily Show" (2019)

And there there's an anti-repo for <<wumao>> who oppose the cheating: It had 150 stars as of 2021, as oppoesd to 7500 of the cheating repo. appears to be a "non-cheating" assistant? TODO confirm. It is at the very least more politically correct.

The repository was created by Tang Wenzheng (唐文正, <<github>> alias[Xmader]). According to form <<china-digital-times>>, he accidentally posted with his real name on an issue once (<<ciro-santilli>> knows that it is basically impossible not to when juggling multiple accounts simultaneously), and subsequently publicly announced his true identity. Following the name reveal, he did an AMA on <<terminus2049>>[], and luckily he is abroad, and does not intend to come back. Wenzheng also created the <<github>> pages mirror of <<china-digital-times>>, further discussed in that section. At on 2021-03-03, he announced that he would stop working on the project because his parents weren't needing the APP anymore, succession wasn't announced. A few commits followed in the next days, but presumably minimal maintenance and ramp-down.

Wenzheng was also involved in a notable possible copyright dispute with[], a software that Ciro actually enjoyed, as shown at which was then highlighted at[]. At the developer noted that this could lead to Xmader's deportation. Some interpreted this as threat, but Ciro feels that it might be true as the developers noted that they withheld action for a while to prevent his deportation.

.Fuck-XueXiQiangGuo 2021 GitHub page screenshot with stars highlighted. 7k stars on a Chinese-only repository is a lot of stars, and very unlikely to be faked. This is what you should show <<wumao,wumaos>> when they that no Chinese person opposes the <<ccp>>.

====== National anti-fraud center APP (国家反诈中心APP, 2021)

* on <<china-digital-times>>

New forced spy app for Chinese people going abroad.

====== Jingwang Weishi app (Clean Net Guardian app, 净网卫士)


===== Chinese dream (中国梦, 4000 BC -)


Chinese version of the <<american-dream>>, which <<xi-jinping>> insists is completely different and superior to the <<american-dream>>.

The names suggest, they are not real, but just dreams.

Transcript for <<little-pink-american-dream-vs-chinese-dream,Little pink explains the difference between the American dream and the Chinese dream>>:

美国梦是个人发财的梦 +
讲究冒险 +
通过个人奋斗达到所谓的成功 +
成为有产者 +
然后去剥削别人 +

中国梦是共同富裕 +
追求的是人民幸福 +

换句话说 +
美国梦是个人梦 +
是为美元的梦 +

中国梦是人民梦 +
是为人民服务的梦 +
这就是二者的本质区别 +

以后不要在我面前提起美国梦 +
俗气! +

The American dream is a dream of personal wealth +
it focuses on risk taking +
to achieve so-called success through personal struggle +
and become a property owner +
and then exploit others +

The Chinese dream is common prosperity +
to pursue the happiness of the people +

In other words +
the American dream is an individualistic dream +
it is a dream of the Dollar +

The Chinese dream is the people's dream +
Is a dream of serving the people +
This is the essential difference between the two +

Don't bring up the American dream in front of me in the future +
Cheesy! +

. ([GitHub 上传 upload]) 小粉红谈中国梦与美国梦的区别 (<<little-pink>> explains the difference between the <<american-dream>> and the <<chinese-dream>>). That girl should have a look at the state of <<labour-rights>> in China in the 2020's, where activists for better worker protection are being put into jail. Also <<twitter,tweeted>> by <<rfa>> at: The <<seal>> on top left reads: "进击老冯" TODO what is that? Source without subtitles:[]. Ciro also reposted it at: on <<reddit>>. TODO try to identify it by logo of the microphone, looks something like "华浦TV" but not sure. TODO identify background music. TODO original source.

====== Dream of the Red Chamber (红楼梦)


====== American dream (美国梦)


==== Xi Jinping speech synthesizer (习近平讲话模拟器)

* XJP音源(习近平音源) from <<winnie-the-pool>>
*我做了个习近平讲话模拟器输入一段文字可以合成习近平语音欢迎前来游玩/ from 2020-08 announced now down but presumably at
* voice synthesizer meant to replicate Xi Jinping's speaking, mentions it is similar to and
** on <<gov-takedowns-china>>:
** this was likely taken down due to videos like this:

==== Xi Jinping deepfakes (习近平deepfakes)

. Xi Jinping singing[YMCA] with a wide range of cute expressions.

=== Hu Jintao (胡锦涛, 2002-2012)


==== Bo Xilai (薄熙来, 2007-2012)


Communist Party Secretary of Chongqing from 2007 to 2012, i.e. number one of this Provincial level city, which has same the importance as a <<provinces-of-china,province>>.

=== Jiang Zemin (江泽民, 1989-2002)


<<dictatorship,Dictator>> from 1989 to 2002.

Jiang is often compared to a toad in a meme what is referred to as toad worship (膜蛤), further keywords: 蛤蟆


Jiang has an amazing array of meme-ready funny expressions.

.Comparison between Jiang Zemin and a 72-feet-tall inflatable toad in a Beijing park seen in 2014 made the rounds on <<weibo>> and led to some <<censorship,censorship>>.[Source].

.Jiang picking his nose.[Source].

.Jiang reading through comically large magnifying glass during the opening ceremony of the 19th <<national-congress>> in 2017.[Source].

.More Jiang funny expressions and Photoshops from a Research Gate page![Source].

==== Too young, too naive

The Chinese also love Jiang's quote in English during an interview with Hong Kong press:

Too young, too simple, sometimes naive.

. Jiang Zemin saying "Too simple, sometimes naive."

==== Li Peng (李鹏, 1988-1998)


One of the key players on <<tiananmen>>.

For the most part of the 1990's whe as second in command as[Premier] from 1988 to 1998.

=== Deng Xiaoping (邓小平, 1982-1987)


Although his reign officially ended in 1987/1989, he remained extremely influential until his death, and was a major figure in <<tiananmen>> most likely.

==== Xidan Democracy Wall (西单民主墙, 1978-1979)

* suggests that <<deng-xiaoping>> initially encouraged it after during/after killing the Gang of Four.

But then, obviously, people started denouncing corruption in his goverment, and so Deng made it stop.

The documentary also mentions <<wei-jingsheng>> who was a notorious contributor who asked for democracy.


. China: Democracy Wall Beijing Dec 1978 video only. This is one of the many footage available of the wall.

===== Wei Jingsheng (魏京生)


Key figure on the <<xidan-democracy-wall>>, notable for writting <<the-fifth-modernization>>.


We need no Gods or emperors and we don't believe in saviors of any kind... we do not want to serve as mere tools of dictators with personal ambitions for carrying out modernization. We want to modernize the lives of the people. Democracy, freedom, and happiness for all are our sole objectives.

====== The Fifth Modernization (第五个现代化, 1978)


Not to be confused with the one of the same title made by the CCP in 2013:第五个现代化_(中国共产党)

Full text on Jingsheng's apparently official website:

Most notable quote:


我们要自己掌握自己的命运,不要神仙和皇帝 +
不要相信有什么救世主,我们要做天下的主人,我们不要作独裁统治者扩张 +
野心的现代化工具,我们要人民生活得现代化,人民的民主、自由与幸福 +

We want to be the masters of our own destiny. We need no gods or emperors and we don't believe in saviors of any kind +
we do not want to serve as mere tools of dictators with personal ambitions for carrying out modernization. +
We want to modernize the lives of the people. Democracy, freedom, and happiness for all are our sole objectives

Full text:[].

=== Mao Zedong (毛泽东, 1954–1976)


What could be a better reminder that <<xi-jinping,dictatorships are dangerous>> than the catastrophes that Mao created such as the <<great-leap-forward>> and <<cultural-revolution>>? "The camp was an intense and exciting place, and many of the guerrilla fighters had affairs. Sex was called undisciplined guerilla warfare". TODO Chinese.

.Mao Zedong in Yan'an in the 1930's thinking deeply. This funny looking picture is meme ready and[much loved by Uncyclopedia].[Source].

==== The Private Life of Chairman Mao (毛泽东私人医生回忆录)


==== Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung (Little Red Book, 毛主席语录, 1976)


<<mao-zedong>>'s <<flg-canon>>. Like <<li-hongzhi>>'s, also extracted from talks, see also:

* <<ccp-cult>>
* <<xi-jinping-thought>>

==== Hundred Flowers Campaign 百花齐放 (1956-1957)


Some possible quotes from Mao saying that people should be able to protest, original share:

允许群众示威。 +
Citizens should be allowed to protest.

claims from from some 毛泽东选集第五卷 (selected works from Mao Zedong) in speech from the[8th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China]. mentions the anthology was published in 1977.

Even <<pro-chinese-government-media,kknews>> confirms:

<<liu-shihui-one-party-rule,Liu Shihui (刘士辉)>> also comes to mind.

==== Great Leap Forward (大跃进, da4 yue4 jin4, 1958-1960)


.A high tower of[winter gourds] "冬瓜上高楼" propaganda poster for the Great Leap Forward by[Jin Meisheng] published in 1959. <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect,Even in democracies>>, politicians promise the fat gourds. But when there is <<censorship,no free media to control their>> lies, things can get really out of hand.[Source].

.Communist Children Catch Pokemon: the true meaning of[CCCP]. Edited from the original poster with a <<little-red-book>> instead of Pokeball and no "CCCP" shown at[]. By Volaran Cadires.[Source].

==== Cultural Revolution (文化大革命, 1966-1976)


. Vox 6 minute explanation with some good footage for impatient Millennials, published on Feb 14, 2020.

===== Revolutionary opera (样板戏)


===== Struggle session (批斗)


.<<struggle-session>> Luo Zicheng (TODO Chinese), head of the work group designated by the provincial Party committee, wearing a[dunce cap] (TODO 笨蛋帽?) and surrounded by from the staff of the[Heilongjiang] (黑龙江省[黑龙江省]) Daily newspaper accusing him of 'following the capitalist line' in 1966. Photo by[Li Zhensheng] (李振盛[李振盛]).[Source].

===== Mao swim across the Yangtze river (毛主席畅游长江, 1966-07-16)毛主席畅游长江

Good <<scmp>> article:

Mao claimed to have set a swimming record by swimming 15km in 65 minutes at the age of 72 at the <<yangtze-river>> in Wuhan, or an average of 13.8 km/h.

As a comparison, the Olympic swimmers of 2016 covered the lesser distance of 10 km in 113 minutes:–_Men%27s_marathon_10_kilometre for an average of 5.3 km/h.

According to[this article], the maximum current speed of the Yantze is 128.5 cm/s or 4.62 km/h so even if he were swimming with the current, Mao was faster.

In <<the-private-life-of-chairman-mao>> however, the doctor says that this was actually true, the current was enough to drag Mao's big belly quite fast. How to swim in Wuhan's Yangtze river Blondie in China (2019)

Dictatorships would <<censorship-makes-no-one-trust-your-country,never lie about obviously verifiable facts>>, would they?

And idiots today still celebrate this event that preceded the <<cultural-revolution>> which put China's economy in shambles.

<<superputin>> learnt from this and also showed off his swimming skills in 2009.


== Sport events

* 2020 <<hao-haidong>>
* 2019 <<lebron-james-opposes-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests-2019>>

=== Esport events

* 2021-05-05 Jong-ryeol "Saebyeolbe" Park, Korean, Blizzard's Overwatch game, made Taiwan Hongkong remarks. The backed down unfortunately:
** Chinese Overwatch Teams Threaten Boycott Of Korean Player For Statements On Taiwan And Hong Kong
* 2020 Scratch visual programming language for children website blocked
* 2020-04-08 Animal Crossing
* <<mei-with-hong-kong,Mei with Hong Kong>>
* <<taiwan-number-one>>

==== Blitzchung

2019-10 Blizzard bans top Hearthstone esports player Blitzchung (Ng Wai Chung) for pro Hong Kong message in interview.


== News 新闻

Trying to keep only "neutral" sources here, let me know if you spot something too biased: <<biased-media>>.

How I find them: <<anti-ccp-info-sources>>.

=== News 2020

* 2020-01 one more human rights person Ding Jiaxi. The list is endless, should we care?

=== News 2019

* 2019-12-18 Fudan University in China removes "freedom of thought" from university charters, students protes
* 2019-10-16 GitLab prevents employees from discussing politics at work, and will not veto clients. This is not confirmed, but I guess it is very likely in reply to the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> given the timing. The[merge request] ([archive]).
* Twitter to block operations by oppressive foreign state media
** Reddit:
** Reddit:
* 2019-07-12 "37 countries rally around China at top UN human rights body"
** <<biased-media,(biased)>>
** the full scanned letter:
* 2019-07-02 "Chinese border guards put secret surveillance app on tourists' phones"
* 2019-04-28 Hong Kong: Thousands protest against China extradition law
* 2019-01 Microsoft Bing search engine blocked in China
* 2019-01 interview with Beyondsoft, a company that offers censorship services

=== News 2018

* 2018-08
* 2018-06
* 2018-05
* 2018-04
* 2018-04
* 2018-02
* 2018-02
* 2018-01
* 2018-01
* 2018-01
* 2018-01 Marriott lists <<taiwan,Taiwan>> as country on the website
* 2018-01

==== Changsheng Bio-Technology vaccine data falsification incident (长生生物, 2018)

*长生生物 on <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>> contains data from the website of Changsheng Bio-Technology relating to the incident. English readme:[]

2019-02-25 mentions that censored information about the incident was also inserted into the <<bitcoin-blockchain,Ethereum blockchain>>.

=== News 2017

In other sections:

* <<low-end-population>>

Not in other sections:

* 2017-12
* 2017-11 Springer nature pulls sensitive articles. TODO article list.
* 2017-09
* 2017-08
* 2017-07 Book list: archive:
* 2017-07
* 2017-07
* 2017-06 Uyghurs studying abroad ordered to return to China
* 2017-06 httsp://
* 2017-05
* 2017-05
* 2017-05
* 2017-04
* 2017-03 "China congress: BBC team forced to sign confession"

=== News 2016

* 2016-11 Possible Twitter:
* 2016-09:
* 2016-06
* 2016-06 first GitHub takedown, see also: <<programthink>>
* 2016 "Queen Elizabeth II Says Chinese Officials Were 'Very Rude' on State Visit"
* 2016 Sexy banana eating forbidden
* 2016-04 China economic sanctions companies that sell weapons to <<taiwan,Taiwan>> (some of those companies also sell civilian products to China)
* 2016-04 Disney Life blocked
* 2016-04 Apple iTunes and iBooks blocked
* 2016 China's '<<gfw,Great Firewall>>' blocks its creator
* 2016 gay depiction banned on television
* 2016 Armani Communist - - first section of
* 2016 Ling Wancheng defects
* 2016 Zhang Haitao (张海涛) faces 19 years in jail for his blog posts
* 2016 Facebook Android app implements Tor option
* 2016 Honk Kong (2016) movie

=== News 2015

* 2015-11
* 2015-09
* 2015 Gui Minhai, 51, from publisher Mighty Current who was going to publish a book about <<xi-jinping>>'s love life.
** 2020: stenced to 10 years
** Lam Wing-kee (林榮基) is another one of the detained booksellers of the Causeway Bay Books group
*** 2016 interview in freedom
* <<taiwan-number-one>>
* 2015 Taiwanese beauty queen kicked out of Miss Earth pageant for refusing to change `Taiwan ROC' sash to `Chinese Taipei'
* 2015 shadowsocks creator threatened
* 2015 Lego refuses to sell to <<ai-weiwei>>
* 2015 Bao Zhuoxuan 16-year old son of human rights layer in house arrest

=== News pre-2015

* 2014 "China bans wordplay in attempt at pun control"
* 2013 Peter Humphrey
* 2012 One of the most blocked on Wikipedia according to: link:complete-gfw-rulebook-for-wikipedia-v3.0.pdf[] Nutech Namibia Hu Haifeng corruption scandal 纳米比亚威视胡海峰腐败丑闻
* 2011 2011 Chinese pro-democracy protests |中国茉莉花活动
* 2009 <<ai-weiwei>> documentary about it:
* 2008 |豆腐渣工程
* 2008 Wenzhou train collision年甬台温铁路列车追尾事故
* 2005 |东洲事件 Dongzhou protests
* 1999 Apple censors Dalai Lama for China
* 1978-1979 Beijing Spring

==== Tiananmen Square Protests of 1989 (六四事件)


Master issue:

Good photo selections:

* 2014 "Photos: The 1989 Tiananmen Square Protests". This is one of Ciro's favorite photo selections.
* 2014 ([archive]) a few gory photos
* 2015 "The Hidden History Of The Tiananmen Square Massacre"
* 2019 "These Horrifying Pictures Show The Tiananmen Square Protests Like You've Never Seen Them"
* 2021 by Stuart Franklin himself

AP footage is pretty good, just do a search on the archive:


Soldiers who spoke up:

* Zhang Shijun (张世军) is perhaps the most notable soldier who spoke up:
** 2018-06-04 RFA interview
** 2009-03 published an open letter
*** by <<china-digital-times>>
*** "Zhang Shijun taken from home in middle of the night after publishing open letter to Chinese president Hu Jintao"
* Li Xiaoming

Other interesting links:

* 六四档案 Website dedicated to collecting photos of the protests and aftermath. Says you have to login to see the gory photos, but hovering over thumbnails expands all of them, and their email service is broken as of 2020 so you can't sign up.
* Chinese poetry anthology about Tiananmen collected by <<rfa>>

.Sea of protesters (广场人潮涌) in Tiananmen Square on 1989-05-04. No, not even that many people can influence dictatorships if they don't have weapons.[Source].

.[Pu Zhiqiang] (浦志强[浦志强]) was student demonstrator during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. His shirt reads: "Freedom of the press, freedom of association, support the 'link:[World Economic Herald] (link:世界经济导报[世界经济导报])', and support just journalists." (辦報自由 結社自由 聲援世经导报 支持正义记者, fully quoted[here]) Date: 1989-05-10. Pu remained in China as a human rights layer, and[was arrested in 2014] for attending a private meeting commemorating the 25th anniversary of Tiananmen.[Source].

.Students from Beijing University stage a huge demonstration in Tiananmen Square as they start an unlimited hunger strike as the part of mass pro-democracy protest against the Chinese government. Photo taken on 1989-05-18 by Catherine Henriette/AFP/Getty Images.[Source].

.Who said there weren't some cute girls amongst the protesters? Photo taken on 1989-05-19 by AP Photo/Sadayuki Mikami.[Source].

.Happy protesters surround army convoy of 4,000 not so happy soldiers on 1989-05-20. Ciro can't help but to think the <<politically-incorrect,politically incorrect>> idea that the military <<uneducated-masses,look considerably younger and poorer/less uneducated than the Beijing masses>>.[Source].

.A student from an art institute plasters the neck of the["Goddess of Democracy"] (民主女神[民主女神]) statue on 1989-05-30. Replicas have of course been erected elsewhere, and when the CCP falls one day, this _will_ be rebuilt, obviously.[Source].

.An old lady tells those rowdy overpriviledged students that they were complaining for no reason, and that in the <<cultural-revolution,good old Mao days you would be lucky to get any food at all>>, and that they should just go the fuck home on 1989-05-31 (Ciro might or might not have made up the exact content of the conversation).[Source].

.A young woman is caught between civilians and Chinese soldiers, who were trying to remove her from an assembly near the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, on 1989-06-03. AP Photo/Jeff Widener.[Source].

.A dissident student asks masses of sitting soldiers to go back home on 1989-06-03. Great shot composition by AP Photo/Jeff Widener.[Source].

.Godzilla <<li-peng>> crushing the Tiananmen Square protests with his green eye laser beams.[Source].

.Protester covered in blood while holding an army helmet on 1989-06-04. There is also footage of that moment:[] which explains that the man claims his face was cut by a soldir by using the edge of the helmet. This other photo:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto[] shows the cut on his head better.[Source].

.Bodies with gun wounds at the mortuary at Shuili Hospital (水利医院太平间, Hospital of the Ministry of Water Resources of China,[Google maps],水利医院[Baidu],[New York Times Chinese report]), about 8km West of Tiananmen Square.[Source].

.A Chinese couple on a bicycle take cover beneath an underpass as tanks deploy overhead in eastern Beijing on 1989-06-05 by AP Photo/Liu Heung Shing. This photo one is almost poetic. contains another wider picture of the same bridge at a different time.[Source].

.Family members try to comfort a mother who has just learned of her son's death after he was killed by soldiers at Tiananmen Square, June 4. TODO what's her name? An association[Tiananmen Mothers] (天安门母亲运动[天安门母亲运动]) was created after the events.[Getty source].[Source].

.The morning after the military crackdown of the pro-democracy protesters in Tiananmen Square, workers clean their posters from bulletin boards. Resume <<censorship>> as usual.[Source].

===== Liubukou massacre (六部口惨案)

The source website of the photo below is by French journalist[Ursula Gauthier], who explains how those photos were taken by one of the students of the group, who later asked her to take the photos abroad to publish them.

The students were some of the last to leave after the crackdown, and they were trying to escape through a small street that leads into[Chang'an Avenue] (长安街[长安街]) when the tanks came at high speed near Liubukou crossroads half mile West of Tiananmen square, and not all students were able evade the tanks. mentions that some bodies had to be scrapped-off the street.

Ursula was later kicked out of China in 2015 after commenting that the CCP had ulterior motives for giving their condolences to the[November 2015 Paris attacks]. Interesting fact: Ciro was actually less than 1km away from one of the Paris attacks on that night, at his home, and first learnt about what had happened when people started calling to see if he was fine.

The name of the driver of the tank that overran students was reportedly discovered in 2014 as吳彥輝[Wu Yanhui (吴彦辉)], who was aided by <<operation-yellowbird>>. This was based on an witness who had shouted "Remember Tank 106". The study was done by Chinese scholar[Wu Renhua] (吴仁华[吴仁华]).

One of the injured survivors was[Fang Zheng] (方政[方政]). At 方政:在六部口,坦克追杀袭击和平撤离的学生 he claims on an interview with <<voa>> that the students were peacefully evacuating.

.Bodies run over by tanks by the road near Liubukou crossroads (六部口) after the Tiananmen Square Protests were crushed in the morning of 1989-06-05.[Source].

===== Tiananmen Square Protests songs (六四事件歌曲)


* "China" by Joan Baez from the[Speaking of Dreams (1989) album]. Folk.
* "The blood is on the square" by Phillip Morgan from[1990]. Folk.
* Same Cry (Feat. L.T.; Explicit) by[MC Jin] from the 2004 album "The Rest Is History'. Hip hop American born Hakka Chinese.


* "Nothing to My Name (一無所有)" by Cui Jian (崔健) from 1986, therefore around the time of <<chinese-student-demonstrations-1986>>
** Lyrics and translation
** Chorus: "你合适跟我走" which translates to "When will you walk with me?" Could be talking directly to the Government.
** The singer is/was very popular, the song was composed in 1986, but was very popular at the time of the protests, and became kind of a hymn.
** |一无所有_(歌曲)
* History's wound (历史的伤口) 1989-5-28 song by several <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> singers
** Lyrics:
* "The square (廣場)" by Li Zhi (李志) from 2019. Slow/sad mood pop/rock.
** the singer disappeared from public view in June 2019 and his songs were purged from public listings
** lyrics and translation


* "The flower of freedom" (自由花) from 1989
** Lyrics:

Other good lists:

*六四歌曲 Wikipedia page with an infinite list of songs
* 六四学运 歌 playlist by 杰克 .龙光复民国天下为公

For non-Tiananmen songs see: <<anti-dictatorship-songs>>.

===== Tank Man (坦克人)


Good list of all known photos:

A list of Tank Man parodies can be found at:

TODO: can't find a Tank Man ASCII art! How is that possible? Behold!

Tank Man |
by Ciro Santilli 00 |
2021 CC-BY-SA 4.0 \\ +-|-+
\\/ /|-+o
\\--+ / /o
/|\\ |/ /oo
| / ----- /oo
| / /oo
| +-------+oo
| oo+---+ooo
00 | oo oo
\\ +-|-+
\\/ /|-+o
\\--+ / /o
/|\\ |/ /oo
| / ----- /oo
| / /oo
| +-------+oo
| oo+---+ooo
00 | oo oo
\\ +-|-+
\\/ /|-+o
\\--+ / /o
/|\\ |/ /oo
/ ----- /oo
/ /oo
oo oo
.... suggested a simpler one that has been in use with Chinese characters:



* the first three characters look like tanks (unrelated meaning)
* the fourth character looks like, and actually means person

So once a gain, <<chinese-characters-are-insane>>. Michal Jackson's Tank man performance in Munich (1997) The Cirque du Soliel "accidentally" showed Tank Man imagery for 4 seconds in a Beijing theater on a related 2013 act "Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour": but it was removed on future performances.

. CNN video of Tank Man: but not showing removal, ridiculous, is there a full raw footage somewhere? Subset uploaded to GitHub:[].

. Several quick cuts by CBS news that give a good overview of the incident, including him being pushed away by other protesters at the end.

.Arthur Tsang's photo of Tank Man.[Source].

.Stuart Franklin's wider view photo of Tank Man.[Source].

.Terril Jones photo taken at ground level with Tank Man on background and men running away on the foreground. The photo was only published in 2009.[Source].

.Photoshop of Arthur Tsang's photo of Tank Man with huge rubber ducks replacing the tanks. Inspired by a[huge inflatable rubber duck sculpture floating in Hong Kong in 2013]. Watermark reads "" on <<weibo>>, which is confirmed by[The New York Times].[Source].

.Rough[Lego] (樂高[乐高]) model of the Tank Man scene. A Lego <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>> can be seen at[], many people replied with that at:[].[Source].

.[Final Fantasy VI] (最终幻想VI[最终幻想VI]) battle screen style depiction of tank man by Cody Walton by it8Bit.[Source].

.Tank man drawing by Ciro Santilli. The only CC BY-SA 4.0 representaion of Tank Man found on the web? And the prettiest. Created manually with GIMP. This can be very useful e.g. if you are posting <<stack-overflow>> answers about image processing, e.g.: It was of course taken down later on because it was considered spam: <<stack-overflow-political-image-answer-placeholder-2021>>.

.Xi Jinping erasing tank man by Twatical. Easy mp4 download:[]. The character shown is "碾". TODO understand the <<slang,slang>>.[Source].

====== Tank man song by Xu Lin (坦克人,作曲家:徐琳)

This song is amazing!!!

Video uploaded to GitHub:

Official tablature on Xu Lin's blog: on <<chinese-human-rights-defenders>> says he was arrested in 2017 for <<picking-quarrels>>, and released on September 2020 at the completion of his sentence. This dude was actaully China, what a hero. talks about his trial in 2018.

. Video on Xu Lin's official YouTube channel

我是坦克人 +
I am Tank Man +

站在天安门 +
I stand at Tiananmen +

面对坦克车队 +
I face the tank column +

从容挺出身 +
I calmly come and stand (? confirm) +

广场人潮涌 +
A tide of people has rushed the square +

群情正沸腾 +
The feelings of the people are boiling right now (正 == short of 正在?) +

发出正义呼声 +
The voice of justice is calling +

结束一党专政 +
To finish the One Party Dictatorship +

国家人人有份 +
Everyone has a share of the country +

岂容他们独吞 +
How can we put up with them taking more than their fair share? (岂容) +

自由天赋权利 +
Free natural rights +

岂可葬于铁轮 +
How can they be buried under the Iron Wheel? (TODO why Iron Wheel? mentions possibly Buddhist metaphor "Cast iron wheels. According to the Buddhist legend, the torture instrument used to squeeze evil spirits in hell.") +

谁挡了谁的路 +
Who is standing on whose way? +

谁是谁的敌人 +
Who is whose enemy? +

谁是正义一方 +
Who is on the side of the righteous? +

谁是历史罪人 +
And who are the enemies of History? +

你们的枪炮是人民造 +
Your guns were made by the People +

你们的俸禄是民脂民膏 +
Your salaries were paid by the people's taxes (民脂民膏 is a poetic way of putting it that references historical events apparently) +

为什么枪口对着人民 +
So why are the guns being pointed at the people? +

犯下这罪恶天理难饶 +
Those who commit this crime, can hardly be forgiven by the Heavenly Principles (天理 is a concept from Song Dynasty Confucianism, "heavenly principles", a type of "feudal ethics" according to Pleco and 1 +

民主是世界的必行之道 +
Democracy is a necessary Path of the world +

实行了民主大家都好 +
Once democracy is implemented, everyone will be better off +

不要做独裁的镇压工具 +
Don't be a tool of suppression of the Dictatorship +

还不快停车把头调 +
Quickly stop the tanks, and correct your point of view +

===== Tiananmen Square Protests keywords


* 六四学潮, which is also very close in form to the earlier: <<chinese-student-demonstrations-1986>>


* 261 ways to refer to the Tiananmen Square Massacre in China

===== Tiananmen square protest student leaders (六四学运学生领袖)


* |劉剛_(1961年)

====== Operation Yellowbird (黄雀行动)

====== Zhou Fengsuo (周锋锁) |周锋锁

After <<ciro-santilli>> started his campaign for freedom of speech in china in 2015, Zhou Fengsuo published on Twitter in 2015-05-30 when he had 36K followers at the time: ([archive]) linking to Ciro Santilli's Stack Overflow account:

The commies have messed with the wrong guy's <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother-in-law.>>"


====== Chai Ling (柴玲)


She was cute and energetic! :-)

Famous anti-<<peoples-daily>> speech:


人民日报,胡说八道! +
欺骗人民,良心何在! +
不是不报,时候不到! +

People's Daily, +
Full of nonsense +
Lying to the people, +
Where's your conscience? +
You may think you're safe, +
But your time will come. +

Also transcripted at: from <<the-gate-of-heavenly-peace-1995>>.

. Chai Ling People's Daily speech in Tiananmen Square protests (柴玲—六四学运—国民日报,胡说八道!). On <<github>>:

===== Tiananmen square protest documentaries (六四事件纪录片)

====== The Gate of Heavenly Peace (1995)


Chinese transcript:

===== 1986 Chinese student demonstrations (八六学潮)


The prelude to <<tiananmen>>.

For example, Cui Jian (崔健) <<nothing-to-my-name,"Nothing to My Name (一無所有)">> song was composed in 1986, and later became a <<tiananmen-songs,major Tiananmen Hymn>>.

== Dissidents (持不同政见者)

Related sections:

* <<other-openly-dissident-users-on-stack-overflow>>

=== Chinese dissidents (中国持不同政见者)

Other sections:

* <<tiananmen-leaders>>
* <<people-arrested-for-reporting-on-the-2019-corona-virus>>
* <<t-shirt>>
* from <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>:
** <<terminus2049>> contributors: Chen Mei (陈玫), Cai Wei (蔡伟), Xiao Tang (小唐)
** <<fuck-xuexiqiangguo>> creator Tang Wenzheng (唐文正)
* <<cartoonists>>

Other dissidents:

* Gong Ping (龔平), AKA 加州老爹 CADaddy (California Daddy)
** "Chinese YouTuber forced to flee after voicing support for Hong Kong protesters"
** 勇武者之歌 (Song of the brave)
** real chinese name from: from
** TODO Twitter handle if it wasn't entirely deleted?
* Cai Xia (蔡霞[蔡霞]), by <<china-digital-times>>
Retired teacher at <<central-party-school>> living in the USA.
She criticized <<xi-jinping>> in private online meeting, and the audio was leaked:
** 2020-08-21 she was expelled from from the CCP, and she said she was happy.
* "Jailed <<wechat>> User Says Chinese Police Monitor Overseas Accounts Too". Gao Zhigang.
*[Chen Guangcheng] (陈光诚). The blind dude. "Chinese dissident tells story of escaping tyranny and finding hope in America" by "Fox News" (2020-08-26) supporting Trump's reelection.

Not sure if these are dissidents or not:

**吴淖米[], SexyCyborg, "机械妖姬"
** <<tank-man>> clip. But it might be just to show that Chinese have freedom of speech? Not sure.
** wiki quote: "In November 2019, Wu was detained by Chinese authorities for an interstitial Wall Street Journal interview expose piece on Chinese censorship in an episode of Netflix's Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj."
but that is really poorly stated and links to her blog as reference:[]. There she says she says the video was used without out of context without her permission, and that she always tries to avoid sensitive topics.
But in any case, she walks the line.
** "Naomi on a Saturday night, complaining about the lack of available FOSS anti-censorship options to help her fellow Chinese access the global Internet. FML I should pack some snacks to take with me..." It's hard to understand what she means.
** "I'm Cantonese, I've been in countless private WhatsApp and Telegram groups where these issues were openly discussed in our dialect, and countless Mainland <<wechat>> groups with that perspective- trust me, I know quite a lot more about this than some illiterate randos from the US."
** So either she is anti-CCP, or she is part of the most advanced <<soft-power>> program ever made

==== Lists of Chinese dissidents

Other lists:

* Wikipedia list of Chinese dissidents
* 中國政治犯關注 China Political Prisoner Concern. Chinese blog with an infinite list of Chinese political prisoners.
* 中国近年文字狱事件盘点 (List of events in which Chinese writters were persecuted for their writing) by
Coverage: 2021-02-26

===== Chinese Human Rights Defenders (中国人权捍卫者)



TODO funding.

Based on Washington DC.

===== Front Line Defenders (前线卫士)



Based on Ireland.

==== Ai Weiwei (艾未未)


TODO understand: by <<kuang-biao>> which shows Ai Weiwei morphed into a penis and balls.

==== Xu Xiaodong (Mad Dog, 徐晓冬)


MMA fighter who beat up some kung-fu masters to prove that MMA is more effective than their traditional styles.

As of 2019, he had 14 <<weibo>> accounts blocked (created one, got blocked, created another, got blocked, etc.). Source:

Profiles and news:

* 2020-01-28


*武僧一龙被泰拳手ko中国功夫为何不能打-短史记-作者谌旭彬-2017118 "武僧一龙被泰拳手KO,中国功夫为何不能打? | 短史记" (Yi Long was KO'ed by Muai Tai. Why can't Chinese kung fu can't strike? A short history.)

.Uphold science, eradicate superstition "崇尚科学 破除迷信" 1999 poster by the CCP created as an <<falun-gong,anti-Falun Gong>> propaganda likely based on a[more widely widespread slogan] ([archive]). So why is Xiaodong not being supported by the CCP now that he is beating superstition back into its place? Once again, <<censorship-makes-countries-poorer>>. The poster features images related to the[Chinese space program] (中华人民共和国航天[中华人民共和国航天]), which is a major undertaking of the CCP and widely used propaganda point.[Source].

.1962 propaganda poster for the Chinese Space program. "Uphold science, eradicate superstition"? Nah, the moon is obviously populated by'e[Chang'e] ( (嫦娥[嫦娥]), the Chinese Goddess of the moon, which is one of the names for the[Chinese Lunar Exploration Program (中国探月工程,嫦娥工程)]. Other good[Chinese space program posters]. Also note the emphasis on making babies, the <<one-child-policy>> comes to mind.[Source].

.Reject superstition, accept Chang'e (破除迷信, 崇尚嫦娥) side-by-side.

.2017 Xu Xiaodong (MMA) Vs. Wei Lei (Tai Chi) summary GIF.[Source].

. 2017 Xu Xiaodong (MMA) Vs. Wei Lei (Tai Chi) full fight.

==== Programthink (编程随想)

Very popular Chinese language anonymous blogger that publishes software programming tutorials and political content since 2009, often negative about the CCP, in particular <<censorship,anti-censorship>> and <<brainwashed-by-usa,anti-CCP-brainwashing>>.

He was likely arrested in 2021 according to an anonymous report to <<rfa>>, consistent with an abnormally long lack of posts:

* original <<rfa>> report
** official translation of report
* English report on <<china-digital-times>>

Some people started wishing he will come back on comments:[], <<ciro-santilli>> left his at:[].

*编程随想的博客 (there is no English page as of January 2020)
* The blog. Blocked in China with the <<censorship,rest of Blogspot>>:
** 2020 categorized summary of the best posts of all time:
** manually curated database of maps relationships between Chinese politicians, this was the first <<github-gov-takedowns,GitHub gov-takedown from china>>:[], which specifically points to[].
<<geoscreenshot>>: 2020-09-30 |
The full project name is: 太子党关系网络 (network of relations of[CCP princelings]).
The project is also known as "zhao" which is another <<slang,slang>> reference to "太子党": "赵家人" (zhaojiaren == zhao family): |趙家人zh, which is in turn a reference to or[].
* DW coverage (Chinese):德国之声国际博客大赛中文提名博客揭晓/a-16716065 ([archive])
* Programthink has also shown interest in <<nineteen-eighty-four>> as mentioned in that section.

Mentions in other sections:

* <<programthink-meant-to-be-used>>

.Programthink uses[Rodin's The Thinker sculpture] as its avatar, to encourage people to think for themselves rather than <<censorship,blindly believe the Party>>.[Source].

==== Liu Xiaobo (刘晓波, 1955-2017)


He was abroad in the 80' as a scholar, and then he came back to china in 1989 to support <<tiananmen>>, then he was in and out of jail until he died in 2017.

2020-06刘晓波/14900221 ([]) casually forgot to mention that he might have won the fucking 2010 Nobel Peace Prize, but he seems to be too big to delete the entire page?

It is interesting how <<hao-haidong>> was fully deleted, the page was only locked. It also does not mention all the times he was in jail, notably after Tiananmen, only some of them.

2017-11 Baidu did mention the Nobel prize however: it was edited out later.

The article also makes it very clear that his 2009 sentence was "a fair one", and that the organization he worked for in the 90',[Federation fora Democratic China] (民主中国阵线[民主中国阵线]) was funded by the CIA. Wikipedia does not mention that however, and of course, Baidu content does not need citations.

==== Guo Wengui (郭文贵)


Social media:

* Chinese YouTube


* 2019-07-24 "Is Guo Wengui, Chinese fugitive tycoon and member of Trump's Mar-a-Lago, also a spy?"

===== Hao Haidong (郝海东, 2020)


Hao is widely considered one of the best Chinese soccer players of all time, and he was the top scorer for the Chinese national team of all time as of 2020, and one of the only two Chinese to show on[IFFHS Legends] page which as of 2020 contains only 52 players including the likes of Pelé and Maradona.

He participated in the 1994, 1998, 2002 and 2006[FIFA World Cup] (世界杯) qualifiers, and therefore also at the[2002 FIFA World Cup proper] held in South Korea and Japan, which is the only World Cup China classified for as of 2020, and[in which it failed to score a single goal].

On 2020-06-03, one day before <<tiananmen>> anniversary, Hao appeared with his wife[Ye Zhaoying] (叶钊颖[叶钊颖], married 2019), who was also a badmington star, on <<guo-wengui>>'s YouTube channel:[], and spoke up against the CCP:


As a result, his son[Hao Runze] (郝潤澤[郝润泽], from a previous marriage) who is also a soccer player and had nothing to do with it was also sacked from the Serbian clubčki_Niš[Radnicki Nis] in which he played one week later due to pressure from China: The wiki page says that says the team says it was just a coincidence and that his contract had ended.

The most interesting thing about all of this, is how Hao's name was completely <<internal-censorship,nuked form the Chinese Internet>>, making this a fantastic opportunity to unambiguously document a censorship event. One is reminded of:

* <<censorship-of-images-in-the-soviet-union>>
* <<nineteen-eighty-four>> "Every record has been destroyed or falsified" quote

The keyword is clear:[iconoclasm] (破坏偶像主义[破坏偶像主义])

Some examples:

* Zhihu: <<zhihu-censorship-of-hao-haidong>>
* Baidu Baike: <<baidu-baike-censorship-of-hao-haidong>>
* <<peoples-daily>>
** down as of 2020-06-14
*** 2016-03-01 媒曝克罗地亚劲旅签郝海东之子
*** 2016-01-27 IFFHS评选世界足坛48大传奇 郝海东孙继海入围
*** 2012-02-01 郝海东儿子入选国少队 被赞有天赋
** but they forgot to search and remove from the older versions of website, newbs:
*** 2003-03-21 三后卫改四后卫 申花看防郝海东不遗余力
*** 2003-03-17 僵尸王:恐郝不是恐中
*** 2001-09-14 甲A联赛大连队止住连胜势头
*** 2001-02-21 米卢评点中国足球四大前锋

Online reactions:

* "郝海东这个事情,让你匪进退两难" on <<pincong>>

Listings of the 2002 squad:

* is the best photo available, clearly showing Hao first on top left, and from the qualifiers with Hao on top right
* ([archive]) Contains squad photo with Hao on top left.

Google bomb at:

Random info about Haidong:

* 2017 Haidong playing foot volley with Nadal with a tennis ball for a minute: ; in 2017. A photo: contains an image of the event, and Nadal holds what seems to be a soccer video game featureing Haidong on the cover.

.Hao Haidong (in white) playing for the China national team against the Hong Kong's national team in a World Cup Asian zone qualifying match at Siu Sai Wan Sports Ground in 2004. Request for[James Fridman] to remove Haidong from the picture in reference to <<censorship-of-images-in-the-soviet-union>>:[]. Photo by: <<scmp>>.[Source].

. Hao Haidong's top 10 goals, all with CCTV 5 watermark :-)

====== Zhihu censorship of Hao Haidong (知乎审查郝海东)

<<zhihu>> (and the rest of the Chinese Internet) basically nuked a gazillion articles that mentioned him, including old ones that had nothing to do with his political views.

Ciro estimates that very likely thousands of Zhihu posts have been removed, as of 2020-06-14 the Google query "郝海东" had 3,970 results, and every single on Ciro clicked had been taken down.

Not nuked yet as of 2020-06, but nuked after, with before-after archives:

* The Zhihu "Hao Haidong" topic itself
** up 2020-06-06
** down 2020-06-14
* C罗的每次高光,都让郝海东出尽洋相
** up 2020-06-06
** down 2020-06-14
* 郝海东为什么要炮轰许家印?
** up 2020-06-06
** down 2020-06-14
* 巅峰期的孙继海 郑智 郝海东 范志毅怎么排名?
** up 2020-06-06
** down 2020-06-14

Older archives that were nuked before Ciro managed to archive them on 2020-06-06:

** up 2015-06-15
** down 2015-06-06

Nuked as per Ciro's eyewitness on 2020-06-06 without web archive, but could be found either on Google search or Zhihu search before those engines had properly cleared, taking Google caches and web archiving them + web archiving 404's as of 2020-06-14:

* 如何评价足球运动员高峰?他与郝海东比的水平怎么样?
* 如何评价孙继海、郝海东、范志毅 ?
* 如果巅峰期的郝海东有机会去欧洲五大联赛踢球会取得什么样的成就?
* 巅峰时期的范志毅、郝海东、李铁、李玮锋、孙继海、郑智 放到现在的中国足球应该出于什么水平?
* 如何评价郝海东认为"英国人不会踢球"?
* 如何评价郝海东?
* 郝海东是亚洲第一前锋吗?
* 我同学说郝海东不如孙兴民 我该如何说服他?
* 武磊和巅峰时期的郝海东比如何?
* 如何评价 郝海东怒斥许家印全华班:放屁!不是为了推动国足。 这一观点。?
* 郝海东是一个什么样的人?
* 如何看待郝海东两次评价 C 罗?
* 怎么看郝海东再评价C罗?
* 巅峰时期的范志毅、郝海东相当于五大联赛哪些球员的实力?
* 武磊的水平能超过郝海东吗?
* 怎样看待最近郝海东微博频繁开炮怼人?
* 为什么有些人黑郝海东?
* 如何看待郝海东说的:"智慧是天生的"?
* C罗粉丝不好惹?郝海东深夜发文教粉丝独立思考,见证历史转折点
* 【球星故事】郝海东为何被称为"郝大炮"?
* 郝海东争议言论登热搜,媒体人:他逐步从大炮变成公知网红
* 郝海东被网友群嘲的五大原因
* 塞超主帅:郝润泽不像郝海东,他更擅长于防守 And here is an archive from 2020-06-06 saying that the article was being modified to meet some guidelines: "文章被建议修改:违反知乎社区管理规定 作者修改内容通过后,文章会重新显示。"

Nuked answers:

* 中国队 2002 世界杯为什么会出线?
** question up 2020-06-15[archive])
** 2015 archive:
** top answer from 2015 archive is dead 2020-06-15
** existing answers do show Hao in videos however of course

Ye also nuked:


====== Baidu Baike censorship of Hao Haidong (百度百科审查郝海东)

This served as good evidence of the obvious fact that <<baidu-baike>> is highly censored.

Hao Haidong's page郝海东/357512[]:

* up 2020-06-06郝海东/357512
* down 2020-06-14 (say "抱歉,您所访问的页面不存在..." and redirects to home page)

Article about the Chinese national soccer team中国国家男子足球队[]:

* archive of 2020-06-02 <<google-cache>>:
* archive from 2019-06-24中国国家男子足球队
* archive 2020-06-15:

The article used to mention Hao extensively. He was:

* second on the 知名人物 (famous people)
* was the 进球最多者 (top scorer), a category which as completely removed
* the list 射手榜 (top scorers?) is still there but casually starts at 宿茂臻 with 27 goals, and skips Hao which has 41
* an entire section about Hao was removed entitled "永远的9号——郝海东" and saying how amazing he was, including a picture

Ye Zhaoying's page叶钊颖[]:

* up 2020-06-06
* down 2020-06-14 (redirects to home page)

Ye won the[BWF World Championships] (世界羽毛球锦标赛[世界羽毛球锦标赛]), a biannual tournament organized by the[Badminton World Federation] (羽毛球世界联合会[羽毛球世界联合会]) that is likely the most prestigious in the world twice in 1995 and 1997, and her name had to be removed from the list of winners in Baidu世界羽毛球锦标赛[]:

* 2017-11-26 archive:世界羽毛球锦标赛 showing her as winner in 1995 and 1997
* 2020-06-08 archive of <<google-cache>>世界羽毛球锦标赛 before censors nuked her
* 2020-06-15 archive after censors nuked her:[]. In 1995 and 1997 it seems that one the female singles (女子单打), even though they did happen in 1993 and 1999. How curious!

The fact that badminton is a single player sport is great in this case, as it just puts more emphasis on her name as opposed to Hao's multiplayer soccer game:

* 1995 Ye Zhaoying vs Han Jingna BWF finals: Bracket:
* 1997 Ye Zhaoying vs Gong Zhichao BWF finals: Bracket:
Hunan website about Gong Zhichao confirming that:

Hao Runze's page郝润泽

* still up 2020-06-14 but locked:郝润泽
* and casually forgets to mention that he is the fucking son of Haidong, which was likely edited out recently, but there is no edit history in Baidu Baike. <<google-cache>> was already from 2020-06-08 and missed the pre-edit. What a shame
* The last entry says "2020年5月31日,郝润泽在塞尔维亚超级联赛第27轮尼什工人客场挑战纳普里达克的比赛中,首秀替补出场打入一球,帮助尼什工人实现绝平。" and also casually forgets to mention that he was fired two weeks later.

.In 2020, due to her criticizing the Chinese government together with her husband <<hao-haidong>>, all mention of badminton player Ye Zhaoying (叶钊颖) removed from <<baidu-baike>>. In this particularly funny case, her wins from the 1995 and 1997[Badminton World Federation World Championships] (世界羽毛球锦标赛[世界羽毛球锦标赛]) women's singles were simply removed, as if that year the event hadn't happend. In the neighbouring years 1993 and 1999, and every other year, they did of course happen. An世界羽毛球锦标赛[earlier web archive] shows of course that she was the winner in those years.

==== Chloe Zhao (Zhao Ting, 2021 Oscar winner, 获第93奥斯卡最佳电影和导演奖)


Born and raised in China, sent to study in the UK by her wealthy father Zhao Yuji 赵玉吉 at age 15 and later moved to US, but retained Chinese citizenship as far as is publicly known.

In 2013 she told the magazine Filmmaker[] (later removed from the website):

It goes back to when I was a teenager in China, being in a place where there are lies everywhere. You felt like you were never going to be able to get out. A lot of info I received when I was younger was not true, and I became very rebellious toward my family and my background. I went to England suddenly and relearned my history. Studying political science in a liberal arts college was a way for me to figure out what is real. Arm yourself with information, and then challenge that too.

TODO was that the only comment she ever made or is there more?

Won the 2021 Oscar (93rd) for best picture and best director on 2021-04-25 for her film Nomadland 无依之地.

And at the same time she was also working on an idiotic superhero movie to be launched by Disney in the future, and therefore they would likely want it to be released in China, let's see how that will go.

On 2021-04-26 reports emerged that her win was being censored in China: Unlike <<hao-haidong>> however, the order was much more specific: to censor only the fact that she won the Oscars.

As of 2021-04-27 her <<baidu-baike>> page赵婷/22214113 was still up:赵婷/22214113 let's see how long it lasts. But the page failed to mention the minor detail that she on the Oscar. The comment section, which we're unable to archive contained two types comments:

* she's an American citizen now, not Chinese, just it wasn't reported. But no one has any proof.
* she won the Oscar contains a prediction that she would win the Oscar based on earlier recent wins.

The page for the 93rd Oscar mysteriously does not exit however:第93届奥斯卡金像奖 unlike that of all others:第92届奥斯卡金像奖 ([archive]) We can't find an archive either, but it is overwhelmingly likely that it was created and later deleted. As of 2021-06-21,奥斯卡金像奖/739020#5 ([archive]) contains a list of all the prizes given so far, linking to the respective per year pages, and the 93rd appears listed but mysteriously without a link.

On <<zhihu>> the topic 93rd Oscar "第93 届奥斯卡金像奖" was deleted:

* up 2021-04-09 with 13 questions
* down 2021-04-27

The Chloe Zhao topic was still up: 2021-04-27 with 8 questions: but funnily that website is so shit that it still links to some deleted questions e.g.: which used to read "赵婷获第93届奥斯卡最佳导演奖,有思想的女孩子最可爱" but is down

Some archived deleted threads:

* ([archive]) 如何评价中国导演赵婷作品《无依之地》获得第 77 届威尼斯电影节最高奖金狮奖? What do you think about Chloe Zhao's work nomadland that won the 77th Venice Film Festival

The page of the film is still up 2021-04-27无依之地/50656178 (无依之地/50656178[archive]).

Some coverage:

* Chinese
**赵婷如何短短数日从骄傲变辱华/a-56793491 on <<dw>>

.<<chloe-zhao>> holding the 2021 Oscars for best director and best film. The fact that she won was censored in China because she made one single negative comment about the CCP in 2013.

==== Vicky Xu (许秀中)


Lead author of the <<uyghurs-for-sale,Uyghurs for sale report>>.

Smear posts:

* by <<global-times>> "'Bewitched' Vicky Xu who fabricates Xinjiang story stokes anti-China sentiment in Australia: observer"
* 一个售卖肉体和灵魂的人——澳大利亚反华女妖许秀中 (A person who sells body and soul - Australian anti-Chinese female demon Vicky Xu) with a Photoshopped image entitled in Chinglish: "A tipster of Vicky Xu's private life - maintain sexual relationships with over 10 men at the same time". The real question in most men's mind is: "where do I sign up?".

Praise posts:


==== Howey Ou (Chinese Great Thunberg, 欧泓奕, 环保活动家, 2019)

The Chinese[Great Thunberg]. Environmental activist. She speaks English too.

Mandatory <<zhihu>> question: "如何看待中国首位气候活动家欧泓奕?" (What do you think about Chinese climate activist Howei Ou?)

Social media:


News coverage:

* 2020-09-25 "Greta Thunberg criticises China after climate striker Ou Hongyi held over protest" detained in Shanghai
* 2020-06-20 "China's first climate striker warned: give it up or you can't go back to school"

.Howey Ou skipped classes for a week to protest about climate change in front of the local government office in Guilin, <<guangxi>>, in 2019. TODO transcription of posters.[Source].

==== Chinese university student dissidents abroad (外交中国大学持不同政见者学生)

* 2020-07 Dong Wuyuan 洞物员 (alias Horror Zoo)
** TODO real name? 洞物员 is the same sound as zoo in Chinese (动物园) which matches the English alias
** account run by Dong, with many funny anti-CCP images
** "党国的手伸向海外每一个角落,要你封口"
** "Police try to silence Chinese students abroad with threats to families"

===== Ji Ziyue 季子越 (2020-06, opengl106, 神楽坂梓月)

Aliases: opengl106 神楽坂梓月


** most projects are university course assignments: | and are generic computer science topics, so maybe not so specialized in bioinformatics
** apology post
** 4k followers on Twitter a the time, but small GitHub, so any other external fame source?

Media coverage:

** says they are a student from[UCAS] studying abroad, claims family name is 季 and male, Twitter says they are <<gay-rights,non-binary/pansexual>>
*中国/60201684/疑有学生在海外发辱华言论中国科学院大学发紧急声明图 contains real photos taken from some public account, appearing dressed as female
** the university UCAS issued a statement on this saying that would be punished
* <<global-times>> accused them of "reviling the victims of the Nanjing Massacre" true or false?


* <<pincong>> "洁洁良第二?疑似中科院大学学生因推特发表「不当言论」被校方关切", commentary compares the case <<tian-jialiang>>
* "如何评价中国科学院大学硕士生季子越在社交媒体发表恨国精日言论?" on <<zhihu>>

===== Tian Jialiang (田佳良, 2018)田佳良事件

Alias: 洁洁良

=== Hong Kong dissidents (香港持不同政见者)

Related: <<hong-kong>>.

==== Joshua Wong (黄之锋)


Social media:


News coverage:

* 2020-09-24 arrested: Lessons in Dissent: How One Hong Kong Schoolboy Started A Revolution by Journeyman Pictures (2019)

==== Agnes Chow (周庭)


Social media:


==== Jimmy Lai (黎智英)


Founder of <<apple-daily>>.

=== Western anti-CCP dissidents

For pro-CCP dissidents see: <<ccp-apologists>>

==== Winston Sterzel (SerpentZA) and Matthew Tye (laowhy86)

The biggest China expat YouTube channels, and the also collaborated together a lot.

As of 2019, they seem to have moved to the USA because they can't stand harassment by the Chinese government.

Due to their balanced opinions, fluent Chinese, not being <<falun-gong>>, and having lived in China for such a long time, the offer what is arguably the one of best CCP criticisms.

SerpentZA YouTube channel:

laowhy86 YouTube channel:

ADVChina joint YouTube channel:


. "How I Got my Family Out of China" published by laowhy86 on 2020-07-08.

. "How I Escaped From China - The Untold Story" published by laowhy86 on 2020-07-01.

. "#65 China Is Getting Worse | Laowhy86 and SerpentZA" published on 2020-04-05. SerpentZA and laowhy86 interview on "China Unscripted", a sister channel of <<china-uncensored>>. This marks them clearly on the side of "openly criticizing the Chinese government".

. "China Expels Foreign Press to Protect Its Lies" published on 2020-03-23 during/just after <<covid>>.

. "China's Winnie The Pooh BAN Explained" published on 2019-10-28 discusses <<winnie-the-pooh>>.

==== LeLe Farley (乐乐法利)

==== Aaron DeWitt (The Chinese Tea)

Online presence:

** contains a playlist he forgot to delete with his own videos, including the "TikTok Hired me" URL and: "I worked for the Chinese State Department – 中公教育党委 – offcn CCP Committee"
* his online shop with anti-CCP memorabilia
** links to
* is likely his account, as it is basically about him self advertising, and coherent with him likely being gay based on appearance in videos
** by dontlikegina points to: "Naming the Racist Companies that Don't Hire Black People", see below

Deleted some of his videos, so likely either legal trouble or intelligence request. "I worked for the Chinese State Department – 中公教育党委 – offcn CCP Committee" (2020-08-21), previously titled "Working for the Chinese State Department" is the most eyepopping video based on its description from[archive] (video not visible, only description, likely CIA deletion request):

Interviewing potential spies for for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China, on behalf of 中公教育 (offcn) - a $30B+ company, funded and managed by the Chinese Communist Party. I worked there from 2019 to 2020. I have lived in China from 2014 - 2020, speak Mandarin Chinese, and am now blacklisted by the Chinese government - a badge of honor.

so holy fuck, Ciro actually feels this one could honestly be a <<spy,CIA deletion request>>.

offcn is the short name for the company 中公教育党委 which literally means "Chinese Public Education Party". TODO what do they do exactly? They seem to have strong CCP party links:[], maybe they are a "corporate training" company for the CCP itself.

Discussions threads:

*中公教育党委/ claims to be a self post which was later deleted "(I own this video, Taiwan is mentioned multiple times)"
*中公教育党委/ on ther <<reddit>> <<lihkg>> backup

<<we-dont-hire-blacks-by-aaron-dewitt-2020>> is the second most eye popping one. "TikTok Hired Me in China: Exposing their Lies, Insider Leaks" is not archived at all. "Naming the Racist Companies that Don't Hire Black People". According to (viewable 2020-12-31) the original title was "Spilling the Chinese Tea" and the description is:

Discussing companies that operate in America and refuse to hire black people. These companies avoid following U.S. EEO laws because they're headquartered in mainland China, a country that does not protect people of color from racial discrimination.

The video shows a call with a black man (TODO who is that) where he talks about anti-black racism on employment in China. Nothing eye-popping, mostly references <<we-dont-hire-blacks-by-aaron-dewitt-2020>>. Mentions he is under NDA and cannot reveal the name of the company.

==== the woke global times


Anonymous anti-CCP mostly <<twitter>> commentary about China, large part of it is making fun of right wing Americans saying stupid things about China with witty comments.

The website contains a small number of high quality analysis articles.

== Media (媒体)

Sources of information pertinent to this repository.

In other sections:

* <<russian-state-media>>

=== Commentary media

The following offer interesting commentary, but not to be used as primary sources:

* Some good articles. "ChinaFile is an online magazine published by the Center on U.S.-China Relations at Asia Society", based in New York.

=== Biased media (偏见媒体)

I consider the media in this section biased, and never cite it for fact-checking.

==== Chinese government media (中国政府媒体)

* Phoenix TV

==== Xinhua News Agency (新华通讯社, 新华社, CCP media)



* "New China TV"

===== Internal media of China (内参)


The name for this top document is the "Big Reference" (大参考), since the 70s down to today in the 2020s.

TODO: there must be websites hosting some level of those, right?

At the BBC mini-documentary series[Can't Get You Out of My Head (2021)] Episode 04 "But What If the People are Stupid" comments that Xinhua had 3 levels of privileged real news for people higher and higher up in the party hierarchy, and that the top one had extra large letters so that the old men who were in that category could read it. See also: <<jiang-zemin-magnify,Jiang Zemin with magnifying glass>>.

===== China Central Television (CCTV, 中国中央电视台, CCP media)



* 2011 "China TV 'substitutes Top Gun for air force footage'"

====== China Global Television Network (CGTN, 中国环球电视网, CCP media)


<<cctv>>'s international branch in English, China's <<voa>>.

* 20201-02-04: lost UK license

===== People's Daily (人民日报, CCP media)



The website has per-language and per province subdomains, e.g.:

* Province subdomains
** Jiangsu
* Fujian

As of 2020, some deleted articles show the home page instead of the article, without redirection. Some examples can be seen at: <<hao-haidong>>.

But older pages just show 404.

===== Global Times (环球时报, CCP media)




===== China Daily (中国日报, CCP media)


English-language propaganda newspaper.

Responsible for <<china-watch>>.

===== China Radio International (CRI, 中国国际广播电台, CCP media)




Operates for example: which is mentioned at: from <<spy>>. WTF, you have to obviously block them!

===== Pro-Chinese government media (pro-CCP media)

These might be independent, but they are clearly pro CCP and thus cannot be trusted:

* refers to <<falun-gong>> as an "Evil Cult" (邪教) ([archive])
* anti-religion website in English, basically an English <<kaiwind>>

====== Guancha News (观察者网)观察者网


YouTube channel, mostly Chinese commentary videos:


* anti-<<falun-gong>>:

====== Kaiwind (pro-CCP media)

Anti-religion, and notably, anti-<<falun-gong>> website in Chinese.

It must be said however that they do contain at least some information that seems to be true/interesting.

Including open secrets that every Falun Gong believer knows about but does discuss much publicly, e.g. details of <<li-hongzhis-family>>, and Sun Senjun's account.

Ciro has no proof that this is linked to the government, but it is very likely, even the Chinese embassy website links to it:


==== Falun Gong media (法轮功媒体)

A great example of how <<falun-gong>> is <<flg-organized,highly organized>>.

Likely highly de-facto controlled by <<li-hongzhi>>, and extremely <<flg-transparent,lacking clear full disclosure of their affiliation>>.

For example, Li refers to Falun Gong media as "our media" in <<flg-canon>>, e.g.:[].

It could be argued that those media are not "directly" controlled by Li Hongzhi, and Ciro does believe that they were created independently of him initially.

But without doubt they are controlled by his devout followers, and if Li Hongzhi ever gave directions, which Ciro has no proof he has ever done, then those media would follow.

Ciro believes without evidence that Li Hongzhi gives specific directives to the top tenants of those organizations from time to time when important issues arise. Ciro believes that one of such issues is the support of Donald Trump: <<flg-trump>>.

Furthermore, Li appears to directly cite some of the main media in Canon or talk at their conferences as Canon.

One thing must be said in their favour however: they are incorruptible in their fight against the CCP.


*[]: Ben Hurley's 2019 overview, notably hitting on <<flg-transparent, transparency issues>>

List of smaller ones that didn't deserve a section:

* nice[domain hack]
* 澳洲新闻 Australian news website, links to <<epoch-times>> on footer:
* Vison Times, Vision China Times, 看中国

===== Epoch Media Group

At some point both <<epoch-times>> and <<ntdtv>>, previously "independent", were added under a single umbrella organization, known as the "Epoch Media Group".

===== The Epoch Times (明慧网, Falun Gong media)


Falun Gong's newspaper with news for "general public consumption" an no clear affiliation indication.

In <<flg-canon,canon>>: or "Fa Teaching Given at the Epoch Times Meeting" from 2009-10-17:

There are so many things you have to do. You have to do your ordinary job and do it well, you have to manage your family's affairs, and as Dafa disciples you need to make time for Fa-study and exercises; you also need to clarify the truth, as well as participate in Dafa projects, such as The Epoch Times.

In 2020-11-08 the Epoch Times published a poem by Li Hongzhi, just after Trump was announced to lose the presidential elections, see also: <<flg-trump>>.



===== New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD, NTDTV, 新唐人電視台, Falun Gong media)


Falun Gong's newspaper with news for "general public consumption" an no clear affiliation indication.

Li speaking to New Tang conference in <<flg-canon,canon>>: 在新唐人電視討論會上的講法 or "Fa Teaching Given at the NTDTV Meeting" from 2009-06-06:

Things are changing rapidly as the Fa-rectification forges ahead and as Dafa disciples' righteous thoughts grow stronger. The energy emitted by NTDTV is very strong

"Fa-rectification", amazing jargon, see also "Cult-speak" from <<orange-papers>>.

Related shows:

* Laowai kan Zhongguo 老外看中國
* Off the Great Wall
* Zooming In with Simone Gao
* The BL (The Beauty of Life) No clear indication, but obvious since intro video shows Falun Gong images.
* 中國禁聞 (Chinese Forbidden News). Nice name, a play of words on "新闻" (xinwen vs jinwen)

====== China Uncensored (pro-Falun Gong media)

Hosted by Chris Chappell.

Syster interview podcast channel: China Unscripted: The three makers of China Uncesored appear on the videos.

Older shows had an "" water mark on top right, e.g. a 2013 video:

The video description also links to which is now down, but has archives such as which suggest a redirect back to the YouTube channel:

Redirecting to...

TODO why did newer videos remove the water mark and clear link? Did they break links, or just to hide Falun Gong influence?

Home page gives extremely unusual importance to Falun Gong resources, e.g.:

* ([archive]) "China Uncensored is available to watch on this website, on YouTube, on New Tang Dynasty Television"
* ([archive]) "Chinese police illegally arrested Canadian citizen Sun Qian from her home in Beijing for practicing Falun Gong."

Website credits as of 2020:

* Host Chris Chappell
* Producer Matt Gnaizda: his LinkedIn has a gap from 2009 to 2017, after having graduated from University of California, Berkeley, and worked "regular" jobs. This gap could have been when he converted to Falun Gong and started working for Falun Gong media
** <<epoch-times>> credits him with several articles between 2005 and 2014
* Humor Ninja Shelley Zhang. She appears appears to be a professional comedy writer:


* ([archive]) <<epoch-times>> highlights the channel "Why YouTube's Most Popular Channel on China Politics Doesn't Show in Search Suggestions"

===== Minghui (明慧网, Falun Gong media)

Falun Gong's primary "social network"/"Falun Gong"-only news/propaganda website. More Falun Gong specific than <<epoch-times>>.

Literally: clear (明) wisdom (慧) network (网)

Li speaking to Minghui conference in <<flg-canon,canon>>:

TODO how compares?

===== Shen Yun Performing Arts (神韵艺术团, Falun Gong media)


A good testimony from an ordinary employee from 2013: <<aarvoll-shenyun,Aarvoll's account>>.

Openly directly controlled by <<li-hongzhi>>. He features as director on librettos, e.g. the 2013 one (credited "D. F." (Da Fa) and with his photo).

Shen Yun's headquarters are also located in/near <<dragon-springs>>.

Li mentions Shen Yun in <<flg-canon,canon>>:

On thing Ciro couldn't help but notice is that the "CCP guards beating up Falun Gong people" scenes felt a lot like[Revolutinary operas] of the <<mao-zedong>> period in their aesthetics. Maybe this is an intentional reference.

. "They tried to get me to post Chinese propaganda" by J.J. McCullough (2019) talks about Shen Yun and Falun Gong in general, and how he was offered to post anti-Shen Yun propaganda for 500 dollars.

===== Jennifer Zeng (曾錚, pro-Falun Gong media)


2005 book:

===== (禁闻网, pro-Falun Gong media)

The main Chinese name is 禁闻网 which stands for "banned news network", and is more accurate than the domain name "bannedbook" since the majority of material published appears to be recent banned articles.

Classifying this as Falun Gong media because most or possibly all of the sidebar recommended websites 推荐网站 are also Falun Gong media e.g. as of 2020-04:[] includes <<epoch-times>> and[], so yeah, not much doubt.

From this we deduce that the "banned book" in the domain name originally likely referred more specifically to the banned Falun Gong sacred books: <<flg-canon>>.

Once again, <<flg-transparent>> is in need.

TODO who is behind this website? They store full text copies of banned articles, e.g. is a full text copy of which is mentioned at: <<nazi>>.

===== Tuidang movement (退党, Falun Gong media)


Falun Gong campaign asking Chinese people to revoke their CCP membership.

Extremelly common when <<falun-gong-preaching>> on the streets in touristic areas where Chinese tourists will be present. Fake names will be accepted, so it is obviously just a symbolic act.

A bit less than 10% of the Chinese population are registered CCP members:[]. So it is not obligatory, and there likely restrictions. But there must also be some kind of benefits involved. See also:

==== USA government media (美国政府媒体)


Partial support:


===== National Endowment for Democracy (NED)


====== Boxun (博讯, USA government media)


====== China Digital Times (CDT, 中国数字时代, USA government media)


<<ned>>-funded as mentioned e.g. at:

They have some amazing anti-<<ccp,CCP>> content, notably:

*[Grass-mud-horse Index], mentioned at: <<where-can-i-find-good-words-for-a-keyword-attack>>
* as of 2021, their Chinese content is not well unified with the English one, and is much better, e.g.:
** list of major events

A scraped mirror of CDT was created on <<github>> pages by Tang Wenzheng from <<fuck-xuexiqiangguo>> is present at:

* JavaScript SPA that reads data from the data repository, which is stored as JSON (JAMstack)
* the data

Firs commit Jun 30, 2019. The first article is from 2010, so maybe it did scrape everything. It appears to be automatically updated daily. The images seem to be re-uploaded to[], e.g. contains which just fetches from GitHub automatically:[] while the original article stores images locally:[]. This approach is more censorship resistant, since all images are under a single domain, so takedown would require a full statically domain takedown, which would break other things. Although CDN blocks are not unheard of, e.g. as mentioned at:[].

. "From 'fart people' to citizens on China's internet | Xiao Qiang | TEDxLiberdade" by TEDx Talks (2014). Presentation by[Xiao Qiang] (蕭強[萧强]), founder of <<china-digital-times>>. He was a Physicist from[USTC] who went mad after <<tiananmen>>. <<wife>> also studied there and said that's the most anti-CCP of all big Chinese universities.

====== Human Rights in China (organization, HRIC, 中国人权)


===== Jamestown Foundation (USA government media)


===== BBC (英国广播公司, British government media)


===== Deutsche Welle (DW, 德国之声, German government media)


==== Anti-CCP media

===== Bitter Winter (寒冬)


Italian-based magazine about freedom of religion.

China category:

===== Human rigts organizations

In other sections:

* <<chinese-human-rights-defenders>>
* <<front-line-defenders>>
* <<hric>>

====== Amnesty International (国际特赦组织)




UK based, had investments from United States and European governments.

====== Human Rights Watch (人权观察)


New York based.

==== USA-based media bias

2018 graph that everyone needs to see:

===== Voice of america (VOA, 美国之音, USA government media)


===== Radio Free Asia (RFA) (自由亚洲电台, USA government media)



Just because they are/were funded/founded by the CIA, it doesn't mean that we can't use their xref:rebel-pepper[amazing satirical cartoons] to fight xref:dictatorship[], right?

=== Hong kong media (香港媒体)

==== South China Morning Post (SCMP, 南华早报)


<<hong-kong>> based, but bought by <<alibaba>> in 2016, but it still continued to publish censored stuff widely, e.g.:

* <<hao-haidong>>

==== Apple Daily (苹果日报)



Founded by <<jimmy-lai>>.

Pro-democracy. Raided soon after <<hong-kong-national-security-law>> started.

Forced to shutdown 2021-06:

* Hong Kong billionaire's last interview as a free man by BBC News (2021)

==== Hong Kong Free Press



=== Media that we are not sure is biased or not

==== Caixin (财新传媒)


Beijing based, but does publish stuff that seems to be very sensitive:

* <<covid>> Government fuckups
* "China magazine Caixin defiant on censorship of article"

== Videos (视频)[]: <<ciro-santilli>>'s "China Politics" playlist. It is a collection of all sensitive videos he has ever found on YouTube. Ping him if you find any he hasn't included.

Interesting videos that were deleted/made private since he added them:

* 2019-04-17 the Leica ad: Re-upload by <<scmp>>:
* 2019-05-18 not on Web Archive, lesson learned

== Funny (搞笑)

Humour is the greatest weapon against <<dictatorship,dictators>>:

* <<xi-jinping>>
** <<chrysanthemium-xi-jinping>>
** <<winnie-the-pooh>>
* officially named "Measures on the Management of the Reincarnation of Living Buddhas" (藏传佛教活佛转世管理办法)
* 2015 Zimbabwe dictator wins Confucius prize
* South Park S32 E1 "Band in China" (2019), episode criticizing <<censorship,Chinese censorship>>
** free preview
** free episode but only for US / Canada...
** reply from show creators to censorship
** BBC's report
* "Tibet, Uyghur, Hong Kong, World" China death knocking door cartoon. TODO source, originally seen at: ([archive])

See also:

* <<life-of-brian-1979>>
* <<zone-theory>>
* <<weibo-logo>>

=== Cartoonists (漫画家)

Reasonable lists:

* The website blocks Web Archive.

Other cartoonists/illustrators:

* Greta Samuel
** "Chińczycy grożą śmiercią polskiej ilustratorce! Pracodawca chce ją zwolnić?¨" Google translates to: "The Chinese are threatening the death of the Polish illustrator! Employer wants to fire her?"
* Rin Sanada (真田鈴) from <<xi-jinping-porn>>

==== Rebel Pepper (变态辣椒, RFA cartoonist)


Real name: Wang Liming (王立铭)

Personal media:


Without a doubt, the greatest anti-Communist joke cartoonist of the 2010s.

As of 2019 he does work for <<rfa>>, so a possible list of all cartoons of this era can be found at:

His best work can be found scattered throughout this document in the relevant sections.

.Rebel Pepper's self portrait as a perverted pepper (the literal translation of his Chinese name "变态辣椒") used in his Sina and <<tencent>> accounts before those got deleted[according to the BBC].变态辣椒[Source].

==== Kuang Biao (邝飚)


Sample work:

* <<li-wenliang-by-kuang-biao,Li Wenliang with barbed wire mask>>
* <<trump-twitter-kuang-biao,Trump Twitter ban cartoon>>

==== Scarfolk Council


Not about China specifically, but broadly anti-dictatorship, and so much of it applies perfectly!!! With that typical British humour touch of course.

We have to translate the following into Chinese and add to the relevant sections:

* <<censorship>>
** "Unknown Poster Campaign (1970s)", content "For more information please re-read"
** "Talking about the contents of this poster is illegal"
** <<scarfolk-public-displays-of-personal-distress-are-unpatriotic,Public displays of personal distress are unpatriotic>>
* <<scarfolk-children-the-cause-of-crime>>
* <<scarfolk-win-your-human-rights,Win your human rights>>
* "Illegal to gather in groups of one". This is a reference to <<covid>>, but it also applies perfectly to the lack of freedom of assembly in China
** 丢面子和丢脸有什么大的区别吗? (What's the difference between the two above.)
* <<scarfolk-whatever-you-do-dont,Whatever you do, don't>>
* <<scarfolk-children-the-cause-of-crime,Children: the cause of crime>>

."Lose face" spoof poster by <<scarfolk-council>> (2020). "Lose Face" reminds one of the popular Chinese expression "miànzi 面子" translated at as "face; side; reputation; self-respect; prestige, honor; social standing" and the corresponding "to lose face": (丢脸, 丢面子丢面子 on <<baidu-baike>>).[Source].

==== Baidiucao (巴丢草)


Has a more artistic red-black-white-yellow style.

==== Harry Harrison


Cartoonist for <<scmp>>.

A subset of his posts on his column "Harry's view":

Selected work:

* <<i-need-to-talk-to-a-human-rights-lawyer,I need to talk to ahuman rights lawyer>>

==== Paresh Nath

Not China only like <<rebel-pepper>>, but does have some good China ones.

** "We don't seek to conquer foreign lands", "It seeks to conquer foreign minds!"
** "We believe in free trade and reforms"
** "Communism", "Democracy" and "Hong Kong" illustrates democracies disadvantage, that it is hard to get everyone on the same boat to fight together compared to dictatorships. This was also seen clearly on WW2 when the British government hesitated for a long time to attack while seeking peace, until Churchill stepped up.

==== Matsuyama Miyabi (松山雅)

Does he have anything besides the sexy BDSM gag ball 和諧/阿中哥哥 girl from February 2020 <<covid,COVID19>> time?


==== Sun Xiangwen (孙向文)孙向文

Appears to be mostly pro-Japan stuff, can't find any open examples, does not seem amazing.

===== Wumao artists

====== Wuheqilin (乌合麒麟, wumao photographer)


Publishes as public domain, so the images can be uploaded to Wikipedia. That's something that <<rebel-pepper>> and the <<rfa>> could learn from them.

Featured on <<chinese-government-media>> e.g. at:

* by <<global-times>>

Sample works:

* <<blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin,"Blood Cotton Initiative" by Wuheqilin>>

=== Falun, Sweden 法轮,瑞典


A Swedish University town called "Falun", with the same "Falun" Chinese characters as those in <<falun-gong>>, which got the town blocked by the <<internal-censorship,GFW>> on some websites, mentioned at:


Known primarily for its mine, which was one of the oldest operating companies in the world:

== Art (艺术)

* Fisheye Placebo by Wenqing Yan. Webcomic that talks a lot about climbing the xref:censorship[great wall]. Artist obviously pro-democracy:

=== Dictatorships are bad for the arts

Ermm, fear of going to jail for not kissing up to dictators well enough? Part of <<censorship>>.

. Shostakovich - How to Compose Music Despite [ R E D A C T E D ] by Tantacrul (2019) highlights how the famous Russian composer[Dimitri Shostakovich] had to continually work around the <<russia,Soviet Union>>'s censorship in his compositions.

==== Pornography ban (色情禁令)

This will be the fall of China:


And yet, every single Chinese teenager knows very well the meaning of "AV": Adult Video, the term[originating notably from Japan] (the Chinese really), which is one of the most common ways of referring to vide pornography.

Curious, right?

The <<nineteen-eighty-four>> quote "The sex instinct will be eradicated." comes to mind, see that section for fuller context.

Some news coverage:

* 2020 during <<covid>>, while[Pornhub was offering free premium subscriptions], China was cracking down on porn harder than usual
** FP report
** (<<chinese-government-media,biased>>) "China intensifies crackdown on pornography, illegal publications"
* 2018-01-15 "Sora Aoi: Japan's porn star who taught a Chinese generation about sex. When Japanese actress and former porn star Sora Aoi announced her marriage online, it set off a frenzy on Chinese social media."
* 2017-06-17 "Watching porn on China's censored internet is an infinitely evolving cat-and-mouse game"

.Ming-era dynasty illustration of a scene from the novel[Jin Ping Mei] (金瓶梅[金瓶梅]) where Qing Ximen (西門) and Golden Lotus (潘金蓮) are engaging in foreplay in a <<yuyuan-garden,beautiful ancient Chinese house>>. For an old depiction of homosexual male sexual activity, see: <<qing-gay-scroll,this image>>.金瓶梅格子门插图2.JPG[Source].

==== Tattoo television ban 刺青电视禁令 (2018) notably shows soccer players covering up their tattoos. <<hao-haidong>> must have loved this!

And more generally, anything "cringey" was also banned from television in 2018-2019[]:

Men's earrings aren't the only objectionable material that China's censors are blurring, covering up or cutting out. Soccer players wear long sleeves to cover their tattoos. Women in costumes at a racy video game convention have been told to raise their necklines. Rappers can rhyme only about peace and harmony.

No wonder that China basically unable to produce a lot of worthwhile art with such restrictions.

* 2018-03 Funny pics at:
* 2018-01

===== Live streaming

Fun is forbidden in China, all people must be good <<xi-jinping>> loving <<ccp-cult,Zealots>>, or else:

* 2019-04-15 "The Stars Who Vanished from China's Live-streaming Galaxy" talks about the fall of:
** Li Tianyou: "Li Tianyou's downfall was deeply embedded in his rap lyrics and the lifestyle that he promotes in his shows. Several of his now-banned songs praised methamphetamine, calling the illicit drug "wonderful" and capable of "erasing all worries" (our translation), and describing in detail the sensation of being high on meth. Li's livestreams also featured extravagant displays of wealth, including stacks of cash, luxury watches, and expensive sports cars."
** Lu Benwei (卢本伟, alias 55kai): "As for Lu Benwei, profanity eventually became his undoing. After being accused of using cheats when live-streaming a game in November 2017, Lu vehemently defended himself on his channel, insulting the content creator who made the accusation and instigating fans to verbally abuse him."
** Chen Yifa: "offense stemmed from a single live-streaming session in 2016. According to a widely circulated video, Chen made joking mention of historical events such as the Nanjing Massacre and Japan's occupation of northeast China. She also described a game character's movement as honoring the Yasukuni"
** Yang Kaili (楊凱莉, alias 莉哥): "Yang Kaili, or "Lige," was the only one of the four banned live-streamers to have broken the law. During a live-streaming show on Huya in October 2018, Yang was seen singing China's national anthem, "March of the Volunteers," in a jovial tone while waving her arms like an orchestra conductor", so basically
2018 coverage:
Clip: It was just a very small section, as part of the stream opening.

====== Flag desecration (亵渎旗帜)


Fuck countries, long live humanity. "Chinese National Anthem" (2017) This crazy dud plays several tunes on trumpet on one hand, while using a handgun for the beat on the other hand.

== Books (书籍)


Either banned, or relevant.

For other censored material types, see: <<lists-of-material-censored-in-china>>.

=== Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel (AKA "1984") 乔治·奥威尔 一九八四 (1949)


Read for free from Project Gutenberg:

* ([archive])
* ([archive])
* ([archive]) Chinese translation, text says by <<programthink>>. It also has some images added (many from the John Hurt mentioned below), which is cool.
Programthink also has a literary critique article about it: "书评:《一九八四》——反乌托邦的代表作" (Book commentary: "1984". A representative work about dystopia.) by <<programthink>>

This book is very fun to read, and it is not very long.

1984 has coined some amazing terms which perfectly describe aspects of dictatorships:

* <<thoughtcrime>>
* <<newspeak>>

Quotes present in other sections:

* <<nineteen-eighty-four-war-is-peace>>

In Part Three, Chapter 3, O'Brien explains the end goal of their evil government system to Winston:

In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy--everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always--do not forget this, Winston--always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever.'

On Part Two, Chapter 5, Winston explains the <<censorship,erasing of the past>> to Julia:

Do you realize that the past, starting from yesterday, has been actually abolished? If it survives anywhere, it's in a few solid objects with no words attached to them, like that lump of glass there. Already we know almost literally nothing about the Revolution and the years before the Revolution. Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. I know, of course, that the past is falsified, but it would never be possible for me to prove it, even when I did the falsification myself. After the thing is done, no evidence ever remains. The only evidence is inside my own mind, and I don't know with any certainty that any other human being shares my memories.

See also:

* <<censorship-of-images-in-the-soviet-union>>
* <<baidu-baike-censorship-of-hao-haidong>>

With the advent of the Internet and <<wayback-machine>>, this has become a bit harder though :-)

There is also a decent movie made released in the year, you guessed, 1984: starring[John Hurt].

On Part Three, Chapter 4, The Law of Gravity quote perfectly illustrates the CCPs approach to lying:

Anything could be true. The so-called laws of Nature were nonsense. The law of gravity was nonsense. 'If I wished,' O'Brien had said, 'I could float off this floor like a soap bubble.' Winston worked it out. 'If he THINKS he floats off the floor, and if I simultaneously THINK I see him do it, then the thing happens.' Suddenly, like a lump of submerged wreckage breaking the surface of water, the thought burst into his mind: 'It doesn't really happen. We imagine it. It is hallucination.' He pushed the thought under instantly. The fallacy was obvious. It presupposed that somewhere or other, outside oneself, there was a 'real' world where 'real' things happened. But how could there be such a world? What knowledge have we of anything, save through our own minds? All happenings are in the mind. Whatever happens in all minds, truly happens.

. Gravity scene from the 1984 movie.


* asks how much George Orwell thought about China at the time

==== Newspeak (新语)


See also "Cult-speak" from <<orange-papers>>, related <<ccp-cult>>.

===== Community with shared future for mankind (人类命运共同体)


==== Thoughtcrime (思想罪)


See also: <<thoughtcrime>>

=== Brave New World (美丽新世界, 1932)


This is basically a less good <<nineteen-eighty-four>>, but the following passage[from Chapter 17] rocks:

The Controller, meanwhile, had crossed to the other side of the room and was unlocking a large safe set into the wall between the book- shelves. The heavy door swung open. Rummaging in the darkness within, "It's a subject," he said, "that has always had a great interest for me." He pulled out a thick black volume. "You've never read this, for example."

The Savage took it. "The Holy Bible, containing the Old and New Testaments" he read aloud from the title-page.

"Nor this." It was a small book and had lost its cover.

"The Imitation of Christ"

"Nor this." He handed out another volume.

"The Varieties of Religious Experience. By William James."

"And I've got plenty more," Mustapha Mond continued, resuming his seat. "A whole collection of pornographic old books. God in the safe and Ford on the shelves." He pointed with a laugh to his avowed library to the shelves of books, the rack full of reading-machine bobbins and soundtrack rolls.

"But if you know about God, why don't you tell them?"

=== Classical Chinese Books

Interesting websites:

*[], has <<icp-license>>

==== Confucianism (儒家)


===== Analects (论语, c. 475-200 BC)


Made of 20 books, with each paragraph numbered. So e.g. 15.9 means "Boodk 15, paragraph 9".

====== Analects translation by Robert Eno (2015)

Includes commentary.

License: non-commercial only.

===== Mencius (book, 孟子 (书), c. 300 BC)

* link:++

====== Mencius translation by Robert Eno (2016)

Includes commentary.

License: non-commercial only.

==== Taoism (道教)


===== Zhuangzi (Chuang Tzu, 庄子, c. 300 BC)


33 chapters. The first 7 are likely by Zhuang Zhou himself, and the rest a mishmash.


* James Legge (1891):
* side by side with Chinese, one chapter per page

== Chinese Communist Party (CCP, 中国共产党, 1949-)


=== CCP organization

==== Politburo Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (中国共产党中央政治局常务委员会)


The seven top people of the party as of 2020, ranked in a specific order.

==== National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party (中国共产党全国代表大会, 中共党代会)

Every 5 years in october/november. Sample years:

* 19th: 2017
* 20th: 2022

=== CCP Shanghai member data leak (2020)

Public news: 2020-12-13. Date of extraction: 2016.

After authenticating the material, with the help of data security analysts Internet 2.0, IPAC passed the database to four media organisations around the world, including The Mail on Sunday.

Security sources believe the initial data leak came from a dissident who targeted an outwardly unremarkable office block in Shanghai which housed the records.

Despite the near certainty of being executed for treason if caught, he or she probably accessed it via a server before downloading it on to a laptop and releasing it on Telegram where it was found by <<ipac,IPAC>>.

The database was originally leaked on Telegram, the encrypted instant messaging app, and passed in September by a Chinese dissident to the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC), which comprises more than 150 legislators around the world who are concerned by the influence and activities of the Chinese government.

Ms Markson [a journalist from The Daily Telegraph] said the data was extracted from a Shanghai server by Chinese dissidents, whistleblowers, in April 2016, who have been using it for counter-intelligence purposes.

This had likely been mentioned by <<epoch-times>> on 2020-08-19 with a half censored and out of focus Microfot Excel screenshot: translation:

On the same day, the news that the personal information of 1.95 million party members in Shanghai had been leaked was suddenly widely discussed in major overseas forums. Many comments pointed out that the relevant list appeared to be authentic.

Epoch Times reporters downloaded two Excel files containing information about CCP members of Shanghai governments, institutions, and enterprises according to the relevant links.

This list appeared on the Internet as early as a month ago. On July 21, a person named "Chief Referee" (总裁判) broke the news on Overseas Chinese Network (海外中文网爆料) that "the register of all party members in Shanghai was leaked."
____ has a link to which is down, but has a web archive[] with filenames:

* 上海市黃俄黨黨員信息集合第一部分.xlsx
* 上海市黃俄黨黨員信息集合第二部分.xlsx

<<ciro-santilli>> was able to find convincing downloads with the following SHAs:

* SHA384 (上海市黃俄黨黨員信息集合第一部分.xlsx) = cb4108956d74f46ef39a5ae0e7039e365e79a1c45d44a0e589fb5b5272b0c8a760a3440f0551f233dba9a07d28589062
* SHA384 (上海市黃俄黨黨員信息集合第二部分.xlsx) = 9bf5c1b42177993a0aa05c193ba28e8a08e69b965d8d5f6f04111f5a3f9aa05fca7818d7459a5605515b55de7aca7763

An upload was apparently available at: but it got nuked soon after 2020-12-13 brought more visibility to it.

== Policies (政策)

=== Censorship (审查)


* <<hate-speech>>
* <<os-problemas-da-imprensa-livre,Newspaper censorship cake recipe posts during the Brazilian military dictatorship>>
* <<dictatorships-are-bad-for-the-arts>>

.[Eric Drooker]'s "Censorship" (TODO year) has become one of the most recognizable censorship symbols as of 2020.[Source].

.[] Inside a Chinese internet censorship centre by <<scmp>> (2019) Interview with Zhi Heng from the censorship department of the live streaming company Inke (映客), "China's largest live-streaming app" at the time according to SCMP.[company website]. Heng proudly shows how they use machine learning to help their censoring efforts, and how the managed to block live streaming based on GPS location around a manifestation once. Pure gold. That company has close CCP ties as can be seen on <<china-daily>>[] "Inke hires 1000 supervisors to clean up live-streaming content" (2017).

==== Internal censorship is necessary to prevent fake USA accounts from creating harmful propaganda


The USA cannot create enough fake accounts to overwhelm real 1.5 billion Chinese accounts, especially considering things like forcing mobile number account verification.

Chinese politicians are just using this fear as an excuse to stay in power: <<evil-west>>.

What if a Chinese person who really loves China and wants to improve the country disagrees with the Government?

What if this person is right, and wants to express this publicly to get support and make change happen?

Should this person just be put into jail as is done currently? Do you really think that the CCP can never do anything seriously wrong? <<chinese-politicians-really-care-about-the-chinese-citizens>>?

When citizens stop trying to contribute due to fear, this is known as the <<chilling-effect>>.

What if a <<is-chinese-politician-x-evil,politician>> does something bad, and <<corruption,suppresses the news to protect themselves>>?

Without freedom of speech, who will watch over the actions of those in power?[Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?]

I hear always the admonishment of my friends:

"Bolt her in, constrain her!"

But who will guard the guardians? The wife plans ahead and begins with them.

With internal censorship, leaders inevitably become <<xi-jinping,Gods>>, and soon zealous sons betray their fathers and brothers in loyalty to the leader and their fake ideal. See for example: <<man-in-the-high-castle>>.

. Scene from[The Man in the High Castle] S04E06 in which the devoted young Thomas Smith hands himself in to be killed by the Nazis whom he worships after discovering that he has a disease, which is not acceptable in <<nazi,Nazi>> America.

The famous[Heinrich Heine] (German but from the 19th century, before the Nazis) saying also comes to mind:

Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings +
他们在哪里烧书籍,他们也会烧人 +

Do you not think that this translates well to the modern version:

Where they have deleted online posts, they will end in deleting human beings.

The[Burning of books and burying of scholars] (焚书坑儒[焚书坑儒], 212 BC) also comes to mind.

It is actually easier for the USA to manipulate a dictatorship than a democracy, because then all you have to do is buy/blackmail a few key corrupt politicians instead of manipulating millions of people's feeds.

.Internal censorship is so strong, that many Chinese people who leave China to live abroad continue to believe that the CCP is always right, despite having access evidence that suggests otherwise. This <<rebel-pepper>> 2019-08 cartoon shows frogs coming out of a big well still remain inside their own small wells made up of Chinese media such as <<zhihu-purge,Zhihu>> and CCTV. It is a reference to the Chinese proverb井底之蛙[井底之蛙] which means that a frog in the bottom of the well can only see a very limited portion of the sky.[Source].

.<<nazi,Nazis>> burning books in Berlin in 1933.[Source].

.<<falun-gong>> books being destroyed with a[road roller] (壓路機[压路机]) in 1999 in China. This appears to be an extremely low quality image fromte early Internet. contains a 1 second cut of a video very likely taken at the same event, as the roller and background building look identical, and preceeded by another presumed book destruction where hundreds of blue books (presumably Falun Gong) are dumped into some kind type of destruction device. Both have Chinese watermarkrs, TODO identify. How far away do you think mass jailings and torture would be? One wonders why they didn't burn the books though.'ouvrages_du_Falun_Gong_lors_de_la_répression_de_1999_en_Chine.jpg[Source].

.Side-by-side comparison between <<nazi,Nazi>> book burning, and <<falun-gong>> book destruction with the simplified Heinrich Heine quote: "Where they burn books, they will also burn people".

. The Burning of the Books 10 May 1933 by British Pathé. Shows some good footage of book being burnt at night, followed by a Goebles speech at the same site. TODO subtitles, YouTube's auto-generation and translation is reasonable.

==== China has more freedom of speech than the USA!

When you hear that online, it really makes you wonder if those people believe it or are <<wumao,paid to say it>>.

Luckily, this is easy to verify: just create an online account on a Chinese website, and start posting about censored political subjects, and wait for your account to get banned.

Then create an account on an American website, and start posting about censored political subjects. The first good question is: what will you post about since no political subject is censored?

Here is one concrete and well documented example: <<zhihu-purge>>.

Or maybe why not <<t-shirt,go out on the street in China with a T-shirt with censored words and share some photos online>>?

Another option is to point them to the political report categories of the <<cac-report-website>>.

. 2016-10-18 BBC reporter stopped from visiting China local election independent candidate Liu Huizhen (刘惠珍) by local thugs who block him physically from nocking the door. Funny/scary stuff. The BBC returned a few days later when the thugs weren't there:[]. Accompaging article:[] "China elections: Independent candidates fight for the ballot".

===== What happens if you wear a T-shirt with censored words in China?

See also <<ciro-santilli>>'s answer to[What would happen if I walked around Beijing with a t-shirt that said "freedom of speech is pretty great"?] on <<quora>>.

Some cases where that didn't end well for them:

* 2018 several members of <<jasic>>
* 2017 Li Xiaoling (李小玲) was arrested and released "on bail" for wearing a <<tiananmen,Tiananmen>> T-shirt: on <<chinese-human-rights-defenders>>
* 1989 <<pu-zhiqiang-shirt,Pu Zhiqiang (浦志强) freedom of speech shirt>> during <<tiananmen>>


* 2000 Autralian Zhang Cuiying (张翠英) went to China to protest against Falun Gong oppression and was kept 8 months in jail there. When she returned to Australia on 2000-11-04, she wore a t-shirt saying:
为了一句公道话, +
法轮大法是正法, +
为此坐牢八个月, +
历经艰险讨公道, +
头可断,血可流, +
浩气丹心留狱中, +
中国镇压法轮功, +
translated as:
Because of the truth I said +
Falun Dafa is righteous +
I was imprisoned for 8 months +
I went through the hardship just to attain the justice +
I am not afraid of bleeding or other sacrifice +
My righteous mind was shown in the prison +
China suppresses Falun Gong +
Which is unforgivable

.In 2016 activist Quan Ping (Kwon Pyong, 权平,[BraveJohnny]) was sent to jail for wearing a <<nazi,Xitler>>/<<xi-jinping-memes,習包子/大撒币>> t-shirt in public and posting selfies online. This photo is in front of a Government building (TODO exact location, reports say he is from[Jilin City] (吉林市[吉林市]) in <<jilin>> transcription of the sign on top of building: 诚信立市工业强市[工业强市] 依法治...)[New York Times coverage]. He was later sentenced and served 18 months in prison because of this: on <<front-line-defenders>>.[Source].

.In 2009 activist Liu Shihui (刘士辉) was arrested for wearing a t-shirt saying "One-party rule is a disaster" (一党独裁,遍地是灾) in 2009 in Guangzhou. This is a quote from a <<chinese-government-media,Xinhua News>> editorial【历史的先声】一党独裁,遍地是灾/[from the 1940s]. On the back was another quote by former president[Liu Shaoqi (刘少奇)] "The CP [Communist Party] opposes the Kuomintang's one-party dictatorship, but the CP will not establish a one-party dictatorship". This interesting <<zhihu>> page has many other similar quotes BTW:[] ([archive]). He was later assaulted, spent 108 days in jail without a trial, and was forcefully sent back to his home town in Inner Mongolia: on <<front-line-defenders>>. Quotes from the <<hundred-flowers-campaign>> also come to mind.[Source].

.Activist[Alexandra Wong] (王鳳瑤[王鳳瑤]), AKA Grandma Wong (王婆婆) wearing a t-shirt that says in[grass script] "生於亂世,有種責任" (Born in troubled times, have the courage to do your duty) circa 2018 in <<hong-kong>>. The transcription can藐視法庭-梁天琦-旺角衝突-10578/【旺角衝突】王婆婆戴「光復香港」頸巾聽審-藐視法庭罪成[be found here]. Her scarf reads 光復香港 (Liberate Hong Kong), and is presumably the same that she was wearing in 2018 during the trial of activist[Edward Leung] (梁天琦[梁天琦]) for which she was fined HK$1,000 for contempt of court.生於亂世有種責任 mentions that the t-shirt sentence is a <<hong-kong-protests-2014>> protest slogan. She disappeared from August 2019 to October 2020 for <<picking-quarrels>>.,-she-says[Source].

==== Great Firewall (GFW, 防火长城)


Golden Shield Project:


And so, the spirit of Internet freedom that the Chinese themselves had at the start, was crushed :


Across the Great Wall, we can reach every corner in the world.
____ "GFW Contributers" has a list of people that contributed to the GFW.

Source: the first International email sent from China in 1987 by王运丰[Wang Yunfeng (王运丰)] in the Beijing-based Institute for Computer Application (ICA) of the China Ordnance Industry Corporation under the中华人民共和国机械电子工业部[Ministry of Machinery and Electronics of the People's Republic of China (中华人民共和国机械电子工业部)] to[Werner Zorn] from the[Karlsruhe Institute of Technology] see also:[].

===== To be walled off (被墙)

* 什么叫被墙了?域名被墙和被污染的区别有哪些 (What is it to be walled? What's the difference between a domain name being walled and being polluted?) on <<sohu>>
* 你是否还在为域名被墙了闹心? (Are you still worried about your domain name being walled? TODO Google translate. Where is the "your" part?? Can't understand this grammar.)
* 域名被墙 (domain named was walled) on <<zhihu>>

===== Would ending the Great Firewall truly end the dictatorship?

Not 100% sure.

In <<russia>>, for example, the Internet is relatively free, but the government controls most professional media, which is what most people end up seeing, by suing dissidents media out of business.

But on the other hand Russia is already much freer than China.

Although I don't like them, I can't deny one thing: the commies are smart, and when they do something (e.g. censorship), it tends to keep them in power.

===== The Great Firewall is necessary to protect China from harmful USA propaganda and data collection

<<ciro-santilli>> doesn't think this is below the USA, but:

* without censorship, you would be much richer and stronger, and more able to defend yourselves
* why does China also censor its own people in addition to foreign propaganda?
* maybe this fear is greatly emphasized by the Chinese government beyond truth just to help them keep control of the country by fear and maintain their own power. Can the Americans really have that much influence in your country? <<evil-west>>
* maybe the regions that want to split from China feel like China is not giving them anything back, and they are themselves looking for allies outside of China to help them split. With democracy, people are more likely to get what they want, and there will be split parties and votes.
* the same argument can be used to justify any action, no matter how bad. E.g.: we must put all who criticize the government in jail, or else they will make China less united and weaker against the USA!

<<deng-xiaoping>> notably had this ideology, even though he explicitly recognizes that there are also <<censorship-makes-countries-poorer,benefits to not having online censorship>>:


which translates as:

If you open the window, both fresh air and flies will enter.

====== Google China (谷歌中国)


.Faithful Google China users/employees made a funeral-like flower tribute on the company's entry sign in Beijing[Tsinghua Science Park] when the company was[kicked/hacked out of China in the 2010 Operation Aurora] (极光行动[极光行动]). This was one example of the unfair <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,joint venture technique imposed on foreign companies>> by China.[Source].

===== Jingjing and Chacha (警警察察)

Friendly looking mascots of Internet Censorship in China created by the Shenzhen Government in 2006. "Roger Dingledine - The Tor Censorship Arms Race The Next Chapter - DEF CON 27 Conference" mentions that choosing friendly looking mascots for internet censorship is a comon practice in several dictatorships, so to suggest that they are just <<evil-west,protecting citizens>>, These show the cute UAE censorship page for example:

* Iran
* Quatar

The images were[removed from Wikipedia] presumably due to fair use concerns, so Ciro asked how to check that at: After understanding the case, Ciro[reuploaded the images], hopefully for good.

.Jinjing (警警) is the male cop.[Source].

.Chacha (警警) is the female cop.[Source].

.Jingjing and Chacha picture shown on the street, presumably in China.[Source].

.Image with Jingjing and Chacha together and explanations (深圳网络警察,Shenzhen Network Police), good for copy pasting. TODO a bit small.[Source]..

.Beijing version of the Shenzhen-created Jingjing and Chacha. TODO what does it say on the images? On car "XX网络110" (XX Internet 110) so it must be the phone number of the Internet police department. At bottom right something like (联合新作, joint XX), so likely means it is a joint action between two departments.[Source].

.Angry Chinese cop cartoons extracted from[Encyclopedia Dramatica] with the racist subtitles removed. It is hard to be sure what is the original image that they were Photoshopped from, but they are very similar to the Beijing Jingjing and Chacha although this is not a direct copy paste of the above since several details differ. The image was uploaded in 2011 to ED.[Source].

.The Qatar friendly censorship page likely from around 2011 sowing that China is not alone in this "cute censorship mascots" technique.[Source].

===== Western companies that sell censorship technology to dictatorships

To China:

* Oracle
* Cisco may have knowingly helped to build the Chinese internet censorship infrastructure in the 2000's
*** they had a demo with a <<falun-gong>> module
*** Internal CISCO documents quote the Chinese Government saying: "The Golden Shield Project ... Combat Falun Gong evil religion and other hostiles"

To other dictatorships:

* 2019: IBM
* 2017: Amesys France for facial recognition surveillance in Egypt:
* 2011: Netsweeper Inc. from Canada to UAE
** claim:
* 2009:[Forcepoint], previously Websense
** claims on Wikipedia:

In 2019, the European Union was considering making stricter laws about cyber surveillance exports, to include more <<dual-use-technology>>, so <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,kudos to them>>:


See also: <<western-companies-that-comply-with-chinese-censorship-requests>>.

.Cartoon showing how Amesys systems are used to suppress citizens in Egypt. Do you want the logo of your company to figure there instead?[Source].

===== Censorship monitoring

Projects that attempt to understand how the Great Firewall works and what it blocks:

* Garry King Harvard papers:
* from the Geneva Project of the University of Maryland. Source:

It is also worth noting that as mentioned at <<is-stack-overflow-blocked-in-china>> that websites can become non-functional if CDNs they rely on are taken down, instead of the website being taken down itself.


* 2021-03-16 "Signal: China appears to have blocked encrypted messaging app"

====== Censorship monitoring tools on GitHub

More interesting GitHub repositories: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>

* GFW emulation
* data on Censorship
* "A simple python tool to pinpoint the IP addresses of machines working for the Great Firewall of China."

====== GreatFire (自由微博)


A group that produces tools and websites against censorship in China, central website:

Backed by <<rfa>> and therefore USA Government.

The GreatFire Analyzer is their most important tool, it checks if websites are blocked or not in China:


Alternatives from other providers:

* Actually has an <<icp-license>>!

It also keeps a calendar of previous checks so you can see when a website started getting blocked.

One of the highlighted collections is the[Alexa] Top 1000 domain block analysis:

Quite a few amazingly named porn ones, how could you live without them? <<porn>>


And some interesting random stuff that is hard to understand why its blocked, some of them appear to be pure protectionism:

* interesting! The ex-<<github>> was blocked unlike GitHub as of 2020:
* weirdly named <<google-mirrors,Google mirrors>>
* Jehovah's Witness
* a Japanese Electronics retailer

Other tools and projects:

* a <<weibo>> archive to overcome deleted posts
* made some noise at the time
* <<collateral-freedom>>

Their repo has been added to <<gov-takedowns-china>>.

Who is behind them:

* from 2015 says "Started in 2011 by three anonymous individuals", and "Charlie Smith" is the pseudonym of the CEO.

====== Wayback Machine (网站时光机)

Their Wayback Machine tool archive snapshots of webpages and allows youto browse the history of all archives:


By the Internet Archive organization:


This Chrome extension helps to quickly archive pages:

But remember that if you archive too many in a very quick succession before the previous ones have been archived, even if manually through that plugin, your account/IP might get blocked, so just give a few seconds for the current archive to terminate before starting new ones.

This happened to Ciro in 2020-06-14, but then he emailed the admins as mentioned at: and they re-enabled it.

It is possible to request social media pages you own to be removed from the archive in some circumstances:

Some website specific techniques:

* YouTube videos: they do seem to download them!
** But as as of 2020, they seem to have some serious bugs failing with "Sorry the Wayback Machine does not have this video (<id>) archived (or not indexed yet)." on most videos:
** And the interface may be very broken, possibly due to the arabic youtube interface, you might just have to click around sometimes. So the best thing is to just always use the magic direct video link: of form:<video-id>
** E.g. a deleted pair from <<aaron-dewitt>>:
** It is possible to get a raw mp4 link with as mentioned at<video-id> e.g.:[], the download did work on 2020-12-31. It redirects to
* Google Docs: visit the page while logged off (e.g. via browser private mode), click the print button, and then archive the resulting PDF URL

How to search by prefix/pattern:



Like <<wayback-machine>> by unknown shady individuals, so less trustworthy.

CrunchBase claims without source New York based:

Does not care about robots.txt, so it sometimes works where Wayback Machine fails, so its better than nothing when it does. E.g. it is a good option for <<quora>>.

And no, you can't Wayback Machine archive an, they blocked the domain.

Has specific LinkedIn handling as it has a logged scrape account, e.g.:[]. TODO find account URL.

Also has specific GitHub handling, e.g. as seen at: TODO what for?

Their github account was: an archive The account was completely deleted presumaly after GitHub noticed the anti-ToS usage: all their issues created have been deleted, not converted to ghost as happens with account deletion, and non-owners cannot delete their issues, only comments. Since he was such a large NixOS contributor, this was notice by other contributors: |

From the non-trivial contributions, they were a big NixOS contributor, and are clearly fluent Russian:

* "[staging] perlPackages: update" was merged.
* "Инструменты "для квалифицированных инвесторов" недоступны через API" is a sample issue in fluent Russian

By cloning NixOS NixOS/nixpkgs we obtain an email, it uses custom domain as of 2021-02-04 has a copy of the Google 404: This is the case since 2013. In 2011 it was some other random company.

Google photo matches exactly this "Masha Rabinovich"[], or is just some image of a well known person? Account marked as "Bachelor of Engineering" at the Humboldt University of Berlin.

The same photo seems to be used for all fetches:[].

Googling name leads to an YouTube account whose only video is | "How to make an link with selection hashtag", so yes, the relation is almost certain. has an related comment by an user of the same name Masha Rabinovich: September 22, 2016 at 17:55 "There are some more websites in .kp:*.kp"

In 2008 they had some interest in compilers: The obvious gmail email can be obtained from there. The only hit is in this creepy email list:

Removing the space leads to more matches:

* 2012-08: a "masharabinovich" claims the website:
Your website*w shows that someone in your company "found evidence of harmful behaviour" on my website
* shows 2012 attempts by Masha to automate wikipedia arching of dead links with Later in 2016 archive** in 2016 is was blacklisted entirely:
** possibly in 2018, Wikipedia widely adopted automatic <<wayback-machine>> usage on all external links:

Wikipedia suggests that the name Masha Rabinovich is likely of Russian Ashkenazi Jewish origin:


so if the LinkedIn information is real, maybe they just went to study in Germany, or their ancestors migrated there.

The name in Cyrillic would be "Маша рабинович", but we couldn't find any information of interest by searching for that.

====== Google Cache

Google caches every indexed page that shows up on the search, you just have to click on the arrow and select "Cache" to see it.

The advantage over <<wayback-machine>> is that Google crawls many more pages than the Wayback Machine.

How to get the Google cache for a given URL:

It is not possible however to see old caches, therefore you have to archive the Google caches with <<wayback-machine>> if you find anything interesting in them to not lose it:


The Google cache also has a text-only mode which is great for more complex webpages like those on <<zhihu>>, which due to JavaScript madness keep showing and disappearing.

====== geoscreenshot

Takes screenshots of the websites much like <<wayback-machine>>, but you can select the location.

Once the screenshot is made, you can "view the HTML", and that gives an Amazon AWS link, and warns that JavaScript and CSS might/will be disabled. The screenshot does not state what the origin URL/data is, so it cannot be used as a proof. But we can <<wayback-machine>> archive it to make sure it remains visible. E.g.:

* 2020-09-30 | see also <<github-censored-subdomains>>
* 2020-09-30 | see alo <<programthink>>
* 2020-09-30 | see alo <<mirrors>>

The free trial is very limited, and you can't share the screenshots on a public URL. See also: <<censorship-monitoring>>.

====== Geo Targetly

This one can actually share screenshots for different countries, nice:

Small deatail: it doesn't work, or it takes forever, either one.

===== Lists of material censored in China

For materials hosted on GitHub, see: <<github-repositories-with-censored-information>>.

For books, see: <<books>>


* <<falun-gong-media>> contains a few:
** <<bannedbook>>

===== gfwlist

Chinese people widely use this website list with browser extensions, so as to only use more expensive and risky <<censorship-circumvention>> traffic when accessing certain webpages.

The result is a well maintained list of interesting websites. About half of which is porn.

Get the full list with:

base64 -d gfwlist.txt

See also:

* "How to use this repo?"
* "Add categories tags to each entry"

===== Censorship circumvention (翻墙)


* 墙妈妈 is one of the top Google hits and mentions amongst others:
** VPN obviously
** SOCKS5 (lantern, 蓝灯)
* on <<github>> reviews VPN services
** on <<github>>
* SSR (<<shadowsocks>>)
* "A proxy software to help circumventing the Great Firewall."

It is interesting to note how <<falun-gong>> is a good source of censorship-circumvention material, see e.g.: <<github-gov-takedowns>>.


** | Contains[], victory.
* Geph (迷霧通) is a modular Internet censorship circumvention system designed specifically to deal with national filtering.

More info:


====== Hide destination IP until it leave the country

TODO is there any way to do use this to overcome IP blocks? You would wait until the packet leaves the country to reveal the final destination IP:


====== TLS 1.3 ENSI


This amazing standardized feature encrypts the domain as well as the URL.

This means that censors are unable to block only certain websites via DNS blocks, which is one of the main techniques used. But they can still block by IP, no?

In 2020-08, it was reported that the firewall was already blocking it:

Therefore, <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,all the West has to do>> is to force all of its websites to serve ENSI-only!

====== ShadowSocks

* on <<github>>
* 2017 "Meet Shadowsocks, the underground tool that China’s coders use to blast through the Great Firewall"
* 2015 "Circumvention tool deleted after police visit developer" by <<china-digital-times>>
* used to contain:
Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this. Today they asked me to delete all the code from GitHub. I have no choice but to obey.

I hope one day I'll live in a country where I have freedom to write any code I like without fearing.


* mentions superficially that it is very similar, except that in the current ecosystem it is easier for tech-savvy users to setup their own servers. No technical differences are mentioned however

====== SOCKS




===== ICP license 非经营性网站备案 (2000)


Part of the <<internal-censorship,Internet censorship machine>>, although it predates the GFW proper.

It can be seen at the bottom of many many many websites, it is likely mandatory to display it.

If you see one of those, you already know hat it cannot be trusted for politics.

For example,[as of April 2020], the <<zhihu>> sidebar shows:

京 ICP 备 13052560 号 - 1

where "京" indicates that the certificate was issued by the Beijing Provincial level city.

In 2014, almost 15 years later, <<russia>> finally caught up, what a relief: <<russia-mandatory-registration-of-bloggers>>.

====== Social media license

Ahh, this is a perfect excuse to delete all <<wumao>> comments!

* 2021-02-20 "Beginning next week, the Cyberspace Administration of China will require bloggers and influencers to have a government-approved credential before they can publish on a wide range of subjects. Some fear that only state media and official propaganda accounts will get permission. While permits have been needed since at least 2017 to write about topics such as political and military affairs, enforcement has not been widespread. The new rules expand that requirement to health, economics, education and judicial matters."

===== Anonymous accounts ban (2017)



* <<linkedin>> requires you to use the real username and photo

===== Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC, 国家互联网信息办公室, 中央网信办)


This is where the <<censorship,Internet censors>> work.

====== CAC report website (中央网信办举报网站)

These are official Chinese government websites that can be used to report cybercrime, including fraud and identity theft, but also political <<thoughtcrime,thoughcrime>>:


Reports such as highlighted that these websites has a "report harmful or garbage information" entry, which can notably be used by Chinese expats to report people who badmouth the CCP, and in particular other Chinese nationals.

Typing "国家互联网信息办公室" on Google autocompleted to "国家互联网信息办公室举报" (举报 == report), and finds[].

This is clearly an official government website due to the `` URL, and it also has an <<icp-license>>.

One of the categories of report on that page is: "网络不良与垃圾信息举报受理中心" (center for reporting harmful or garbage information,[archive]).

Notably, there is one separate entry for illegal activity as well (网络违法犯罪举报网站) and another one for <<porn,pornography (中国扫黄打非网)>>, so it is interesting to see that there is one specifically for "misinformation".

The harmful information page redirects to: ([archive]) which has further categories.

The "report website" (举报不良网站) category links to ([archive]) and then has a "link:[reactonary] and <<politically-sensitive,politically sensitive>>" (link:反动[反动]及<<politically-sensitive,政治敏感>>) checkbox.

After you submit, it leads you to: ([archive]) in which you can optionally provide further contact details:[]. This appears to be no link with the previous page, so they might just do it via IP. Registration requires both a cell phone and an email.

From the website source code (very simple, hand written, we see that it uses <<baidu,Baidu Analytics>>. The CCP obviously trusts Baidu a lot :-)

On 2020-09-07, <<mirrors,>>'s Google Analytics had a hit coming from[] ("This site can't be reached" on Chrome). This was soon after <<ciro-santilli>> mentioned <<cac-report-website>> at[]. This is presumably the censor's web UI to review reports. "jb" from jbcz presumably means Ju Bao (举报), the CZ Ciro couldn't guess. 2020-10-14 had another hit from:[]. 2021-05-18 to[] <<mirrors>>. On same day also a hit from[], that appears to be an IP in China.

The toplevel ([archive]) is entitled "中央网信办(国家互联网信息办公室)违法和不良信息举报中心" and is another report website. It is also linked to from under different categories, so it is also official.

The first category in that page is "政治类" (political category). From there we have some awesome information.

First it links to the report guidelines (举报指南) ([archive])

涉攻击党和国家制度及重大方针政策,攻击"<<two-safegards,two safeguards,两个维护>>",危害国家安全、泄露国家秘密,破坏国家统一和领土完整,损害国家形象荣誉利益,破坏国家民族宗教政策、宣扬邪教,诋毁英雄烈士等内容的互联网违法和不良信息,请在此举报。

which states:

Involved in attacking the party and state system and major policies, attacking the "<<two-safegards,two safeguards>>", endangering national security, leaking state secrets, undermining national unity and territorial integrity, damaging national image, honor and interests, undermining national and religious policies, promoting cults, and vilifying heroes. Please report illegal and harmful information on the Internet of martyrs and other content.

so yes, attacking the party and major policies is illegal in China, big news, right? "Involved in attacking the party and state system and major policies" is then one of the categories in the report page.

Soon after the previous events in 2020-09-08, anaytics got a hit from to[]. The only function of that website appears to be to open a newline separated list of websites into separate tabs. Maybe a censor bulk quickly having a look at several tasks. It is basically a clone of[] but with an <<icp-license>> :-) The 2020-10-14 hit from was followed by another hit from[], further reinforcing that this is part of their review procedure. 3 more hits on `/` and `/ciro-santilli` on 2020-02-22 after pinging a few people on issues. Another hit 2021-03-19 to[], unknown cause

Further hits from[]:

* 2021-07-07 3 hits
* 2021-06-04 4 hits from 2 users, <<tiananmen>> day
* 2021-05-01 3 after resubmitting reports on 2021-04-18 to get proper screenshots of the report procedure. Another hit to on 2021-05-13.

Other report websites:

* spy report website, see also: <<ministry-of-state-security>>
* <<hong-kong-national-security-department-hotline>>

.[] procedure to report political content as of April 2021.

.[] procedure to report political content as of April 2021.

==== Wumao (五毛)

50 Cent Party, 五毛党, Wumao Dang:


They can be classified as a form of[information warfare] (link:信息战[信息战]).

A wise person once said:

It is impossible to distinguish wumaos, <<little-pink,idiots>> and <<not-chinese,brain washed>> people. So we just call all of them wumaos.

But of course, the <<ccp-cult,CCP is a cult>> (and <<democracy-is-a-religion,democracy, a religion>>), and therefore <<preconceived,any discussion is also pointless>> in general.

To a large extent, wumao's goals are to dilute useful conversation with shit, normally <<evil-west>> and <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>>.

This leads to endless idiotic conversions of type:

You: Chinese friend, your house is on fire, let's try to put the fire out!

Wumao: I don't care, your house is also on fire!

You: that's true, that fire is also very serious, and I'm trying to put it out!

Wumao: look everyone, his house is on fire! Mine isn't!

Therefore, it is crucial to have a working algorithmic policy to handle them: <<how-to-deal-with-wumaos>>.

Notable wumaos <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,should be investigated by intelligence agencies>>.

If it is determined that they are knowingly funded by China, they should be put into jail as foreign agents.

There is a tradeoff between privacy rights and snuffing out wumaos, and it is hard to decide where to set the line. But snuffing out wumaos is important, and must be done.

If we were to give up on privacy completely, one possible rule would be: block anyone that lives in China and whose revenue therefore cannot be investigated properly by your government to determine if they are funded by the CCP.

Here are some people completely against blocking wumaos. Those silly Democrats never prepare well enough for war:

** it mentions the "Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016"[], which is exactly what Western countries should do

The <<baidu-baike>> definition of wumao五毛/24163406[] ([archive])) is priceless:


Fifty cents, an internet buzzword, refers to people who collect money for a certain unit to say good things on the Internet

"Good". And not mention of the CCP in the article, of course.

Other names:

*网军 (online army), example: "Github也出現網軍了嗎?" (Is there an emerging wumao army on GitHub?) on <<ptt>>


* 2020-03-12 <<jennifer-zeng>>'s publishing of purported Wumao guidelines with translation. Translated title: "<<cac,CAC>> (link:[Cyberspace Administration of China]) Internal Documentation for Internet Commentators (no spreading)"
* 2018-09-27 "Chinese Internet Trolls Get Paid 50 Cents For Every Comment" by <<serpentza-laowhy86,laowhy86>>
* 2017-04-09 "How the Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction, not Engaged Argument" by "Gary King, Jennifer Pan, Margaret E. Roberts"
* 2015-05-20 "Hackers Leak Files Showing Inner Workings of 'China's 50-Cent Army'", hacker group name "Unicorn Nocturne". TODO material, silly reporters that don't give links
* 2014 emails of some Wumaos were hacked/phished and leaked at (down, no web archive, but[]) revealing operational details

毛 (mao2) is a colloquial form of 角 (jiao3) both meaning "one-tenth". Coins actually use 角. See also:

* The fourth and fifth series Wikipedia currently have a 50 cent picture:

.50-cent coin (五角) from the[fourth series of renminbi] (第四套人民币[第四套人民币], 1987-1997). This image is going to be very useful. Note the beautiful plum blossom drawings reminiscent of <<chinese-traditional-painting>> which <<ciro-santilli>> loves. Note how it uses 角 (jiao3) instead of 毛 (mao2).[Source].

===== Little pink (小粉紅, 小紅粉)


<<slang,Slang>> name for <<stupid,brainwashed>> <<ccp,CCP>> supporters who are not necessarily paid professional <<wumao,wumaos>>, notably young, idealistic and enthusiastic ones, <<little-pink-american-dream-vs-chinese-dream,Little pink explains the difference between the American dream and the Chinese dream>> contains a prototypical video example.


* 2020-06-29 "小粉红"现象调查 (An investigation of the "Little Pink" phenomenon)
* 2017 "小红粉小粉红是什么 家长发现孩子自称小粉红怎么办" (What is a little pink? If a parent discovers that their children call themselves little pinks, what should they do about it?). Kill them.

.Perceived comparison between <<wumao>> and <<little-pink>> suggesting that unpaid Little Pinks are more nationalist and extreme than the paid wumaos, which is not too surprising, considering that they do it for free. A translation is available at:[].[Source].

====== That Rabbit (那兔)

<<little-pink,Little pinks>> are often symbolized by a rabbit.

The origin of this appears to be the 2011 webcomic[Year Hare Affair] (那年那兔那些事兒[那年那兔那些事], literally "That year, That rabbit, Those events), where different animals represent different countries, and the rabbit represented China.

The little pink rabbit is generally called simply "那兔" (That Rabbit) derived from the Chinese title.


* 2020-01-14 "问下小粉红为什么叫中共兔子?" (Why do Little Pinks call the CCP Rabbit)

.As of 2020, a particularly popular representation is this cute one wearing a <<pla>>-hat and with a[red star] (紅星[红星]) on the chest, but in the original cartoon That Rabbit appeared to be more aggressive. <<wife>> told him that <<that-rabbit>> reminded her of[Mashimaro] (流氓兔[流氓兔]), a cute Korean cartoon she used to watch when she was small.[Source].

===== How to deal with wumaos (如何应对五毛)

Above all, never reply intelligently to wumaos. Ignore all their notifications, and ignore their profile wherever possible. And if they start generating too many notifications, block them.

* <<reply-policy>>
*[C.K. Hung]'s wumao reply strategy:
為什麼我不刪五毛的回應反而要刪你的回應? 因為你只能跟人類講道理, 沒辦法跟原始物種講道理啊!

Why I delete your posts, but I don't delete wumao's posts? Because it is only possible to reason with humans, it is not possible to reason with primitive animals!
*【麻辣总局】新型敏感词武器:赵弹磁铁/ by <<china-digital-times>>

===== Where to find wumaos

<<wumao,Wumaos>> are particularly easy to spot on <<censorship-monitoring,Western websites banned in China>> and when written in English, since there is no way that strong pro-CCP opinions would get any support in such circumstances:

* <<quora>> is completely infested by wumaos as of 2020, see more information on that section

When they write in Chinese, it is much harder to know if they are paid or not, most are just <<stupid,brainwashed>>, some places to find them:

* <<zhao-heming>>

===== CCP apologists (中共辩护士)

If it is ever proven that those people are directly supported by the Chinese government, their nationalities should be revoked, it is very simple.

<<ciro-santilli>> feels that it is unlikely however that the CCP directly pays those apologists, as that would be too risky for both parties.

Rather, Ciro believes that they are either:

* saying that the CCP is good to get more views and ad revenue from CCP supporters that want to hear it from a white (most cases)
* even bigger complete idiots who actually believe China is good (the minority)

Then, when they reach a certain size, the CCP can support them indirectly, notably by featuring them in <<chinese-government-media>> such as <<cgtn>>, e.g. as happened <<nathan-rich>> at[], in order to boost their views and ad revenue.

For this reason, it is very hard to stop them without quenching freedom of expression.

Ciro's currently recommended approach is the following: if a prominent pro-CCP YouTubber never ever criticized the CCP, and it gets featured in CCP media, treat that channel exactly as you should treat CCP media, which is by adding a notice at the bottom along the lines of:

This account supports the Chinese Government, which is a fucking murderous dictatorship.

followed by a funny meme image that is forbidden in China, e.g. <<xi-jinping-memes>>.

It would be amazing if we could demonetize the apologist channels only for views coming from Chinese citizens, and it would be possible without completely destroying privacy by using decentralized ring signatures as mentioned at:[].

Related discussion at: <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china>>.

It is also interesting to note that many of them don't speak a word of Chinese, or very basic Chinese. It is fine when you say "the CCP is great" as a foreigner, but if you say "the CCP is bad", then <<not-chinese>>.

* 伏拉夫 (fu2 la1 fu1): Russian, says I love China in ridiculously enthusiastic tone which is despised even by the Chinese, samples:[]
Video by <<lele-farley>> making fun of him and <<nathan-rich>>:
It does not feel like he is paid by the Chinese government, but rather that he is just trying to get some views.
+ 如何评价俄罗斯籍中国网红伏拉夫? on <<zhihu>> with 17k likes as of 2020-06.
* Carrie Lam supporter
* "Living in China" by Jason Lightfoot: Sample video:
** "The CCP is Wonderful! Thank you China not a government shill 谢谢你中国"
** "British vlogger: The life of Uygurs and other minorities in China" reposted by <<cgtn>> (2021)

TODO decide:

* the JaYoe Nation Sample video: "Chinese Government Officials Corrupted My Videos! | JaYoe Conversation"
* Mexicanos en China Sample video: "Is the CHINESE GOVERNMENT PAYING US to Make Videos: Our Trip to Shaanxi // 中国政府是否付钱给我们制作视频" says they were sponsored for the video.
* Gweilo60's Channel:
* Eric Favreliere:
* Laoma Chris (Chris Max, 口语老炮儿马思瑞). No ultra-pro CCP content, but has some anti-US content, and significant business interest in China. Large channel, 700k+ subscribers as of April 2021:
** Why Is Police Brutality So Common in the US? (2020)

Non-political (as far as we can tell) channels of interest:

* Blondie in China food and travel. Speaks Chinese. TODO name.
* The China Traveller. Real name: Stuart Wiggin (司徒). British, studied in Oxford, speaks Chinese. Avoids ultra-sensitive topics like <<xinjiang>> and <<censorship>>, and covers positive rosy (and to some extent real) improvements in China mostly, in addition to neutral food/travel. LinkedIn:[] ([archive]). Worked for <<china-radio-international>> from 2012 to 2017 and for <<netease>> since 2016. Other media: Sample videos:
**[]: watermarked[] "到底是不是习近平?Is that a famous Asian world leader?", but takes <<xi-jinping>> lightly by showing a <<xi-jinping-lookalikes,bad Xi Jinping lookalike>>
** "I Train with the Troops at Tiananmen Square". Participates in a flag raising ceremony.
* Kevin in Shanghai. Mostly language and cultural differences.


* tankies, despair, and politics: a case study by the woke global times (2020) on <<the-woke-global-times>>
* 如何判断一个老外夸中国,是发自真心,还是财富密码? (How to judge whether a foreigner praises China from his sincerity or the code of wealth? is about) on <<zhihu>>

Discussion/lists: <<quora>>:

* on <<quora>>
* "Expat YouTubers attacked for pro-China views" by <<cgtn>> (2021). TODO investigate all of those shown at the given timestamp.
** <<raz-gal-or>>
** Leo (Germany) TODo
** Brian (Argentina)
** Alistair Bayley (UK/Australia)
** Vlad (Russia). <<russia>> is not part of the West.
** Thomas (Germany)
** Rachele (Italy)
** Jason Lightfoot (UK)
** Jared (Canada)
** Lila (US). This is Lila Kidson, <<raz-gal-or>>'s girl
* "EXCLUSIVE: How China is Influencing YouTubers into Posting State Propaganda" mentions "They tried to get me to post Chinese propaganda" by J.J. McCullough (2019) was approached to publish an anti-<<shen-yun>> video by what was likely a Chinese agent.

<<reddit>> threads:

* about Jason Lightfoot

.Elbow-to-elbow against the common enemy! French division of the Waffen SS (Coude a coude contre l'ennemi commun! Division française de la Waffen SS) 1942 propaganda poster for the French SS division, formally known as[33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne]. Mentioned at: French SS - Berlin 1945 by Mark Felton Productions (2020).[Source].

====== Tankie

Adapted from the cold war, this term has been widely used to describe pro-CCP western people, i.e. <<ccp-apologists>>, examples:

* tankies, despair, and politics: a case study by the woke global times (2020) on <<the-woke-global-times>>
* Upvote this absolute chad to piss off the tankies at r/GenZedong on <<reddit>>

====== Nathan Rich (Hotpot King, 火锅大王)


YouTube channel:

As mentioned at:[]:

His vlogging career is inexplicably successful. He has 385,000 subscribers on his channel, a huge amount for someone with so little time and so few videos on the platform.".
____ mentions another interesting very strong circumstantial evidence:

His videos feature perfect Chinese in the subtitles along with Chinese video titles, meaning that he is almost certainly having these videos produced by someone else/and or a group of people. I can guarantee that based on his pronunciation of the few Chinese words he says in the video, his Chinese ability should not be anywhere close to fluent.

Sample videos:

* he says <<serpentza-laowhy86,SerpentZA>> is a fraud "because he criticizes China".


* "如何评价 B 站 UP 主「NathanRich火锅大王」?" on <<zhihu>>. TODO what is "B站UP"?
* 2020-07-05 <<cgtn>> approves: "Nathan Rich: 'Hotpot King' delivering truth about HK to the world"

2020-06-01 "China propagandist Nathan Rich's criminal record revealed" contains an outline of Richs criminal records, with including mugshots. Most of this was already likely known, but it gives good detail. In particular, it comments on the fact that in 2013 Beijing started to more strictly do criminal background checks for VISA applicants:[], and that Rich managed to get the VISA two years later nonetheless, notably including a drug trafficking charge.

白 characterises him as "左五无毛". While this does not seems like a specific expression, and maybe is not even accurate, learning the meaning of "左五" is of interest:


====== Barrett Channel

2021-09-21 (on <<reddit>>:[]) claims that:

The Times has found that some of their videos were funded by <<china-radio-international,Chinese Radio International>>, a media organisation that has been exposed as the secret owner of an international network of propaganda radio stations.


In November they visited the Shaanxi district of China with several other foreign YouTubers who live in China and make videos supporting the government.

The trip was organised and funded by the Chinese Radio International and an official press release described the visit as "International Internet Celebrities Witnessing the Happiness of Shaanxi People".

In a candid video about the visit that was subsequently removed, Lee admitted that a trip to a mountain was cancelled so they could witness "propaganda" regarding the area's prosperity.

He said: "It wasn't until the second day they started talking about cutting the trip short by a day, and there was no real reason given for that." A fellow YouTuber Jayoe Nation said: "They had to fit in more propaganda."

Lee replied: "They didn't say that, did they, but that's what happened."

Various videos from the trip show the YouTubers visiting locations in the district including a farm where Oli performed a farcical dance while holding vegetables.

Father and son British expats: Lee Barrett, the father, and Oli Barrett, the son.

100k subs one year after. Don't speak a word of Chinese it seems, but all videos have full bilingual translation.

Their tone is natural unlike others more exaggerated like <<nathan-rich>>, so maybe they believe in the shit they say? Either that, or they are a good fake by the CCP.

Sample videos:

* "China Doesn't Have Free Speech!"

====== Daniel Dumbrill

Daniel's family name is telling: "<<ciro-santilli-is-stupid,DUMB>> rill", so don't be too hard on him.

Featured on <<cgtn>>:

* ([archive]) "Daniel Dumbrill: Hong Kong is far freer since its return to China" supporting <<hong-kong-national-security-law>>
* "Daniel Dumbrill: I want my children to be proud of being Chinese"

Sample content form his channel:

* "Speaking With a Uyghur Activist About Xinjiang Abuse" interviews[Arslan Hidayat], who was also interviewed by <<china-uncensored,China Unscripted>>: and appears to be denouncing the oppression. Video description is filled to the brim with links about how the West is using Xinjiang for fake news. TODO how can he make a video with that guy and still live in China? This suggests strongly that his videos obtain direct CCP approval.
* "Daniel the Pro-China 'Shill'" replies to accusations of being pro-China

At 2021-03-29 ([archive]) from <<pincong>> people are saying that they even if the USA is evil, the CCP is more, one commenter quoted Churchill:

If <<nazi,Hitler>> invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.

====== Nigel Ng (ungle-roger, mrnigelng, 罗杰叔叔)



* "'Uncle Roger' apologises and deletes video featuring fellow YouTube star who criticised China"
* "Uncle Roger comedian deletes video with China critic"

Nigel had published a collaboration video called "Uncle Roger Review UGLIEST DUMPLING EVER" with another YouTuber called[Mikey Chen], who unknown to Nigel, is a somewhat discreet <<falun-gong>> believer ([source])

The video then removed solely because of Mikey's believes expressed elsewhere. The apology on <<weibo>>:[] Excerpt:

During the process of working with the content-creator, I wasn't aware of his political thoughts and his past incorrect remarks about China. This is my negligence, and I will be more careful when I make content in the future.

This is the original video link: according to this reaction video: No archives of the original were made unfortunately.

Nigel had 125k <<weibo>> followers at that point, and reuploads every YouTube video he posts over there with Chinese subtitles:[], extremely likely done by paid professionals.

Saying hi:

====== Raz Gal-Or (高佑思, Ychina, Y-Platform, 歪果仁研究协会)

* Was being considered for deletion for non-notability: but it got through because there's a bunch of <<chinese-government-media>> that reported on him obviously. Which is a good thing as it allows us to know more about the bastard.

Israeli, studied at Peking University. Ychina (歪果仁研究协会) is his pro-CCP propaganda organization, based in Beijing.

His father[Amir Gal-Or] (高哲铭), also Israeli, is a venture capitalist based in China. So that's the collateral for his son's media access. Amir is an ex-Israeli Air Force. What a disgrace. Mossad is going to pay those people a visit one day. Supposing they are not already working for Mossad. Here's the happy family:[], father and son entitled "being interviewed by my son in <<cctv>> headquarters .. a new era .." Here's his TED talk on how to educate your children to support <<nazi,Hitler>> v2 do <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,holocaust v2>>: "How to educate the next generation of global communications? | Amir Galor | TEDxYouth@Hangzhou" (2019). The <<life-of-brian-nazi-jew,Nazi Jew scene from The Life of Brian>> comes to mind very strongly.

Y-Platform had a 3.5M investment from <<weibo>>:


* Ychina YouTube channel
* Facebook Video channel (reposts)
* reads "Founder of Y-Platform (歪果仁研究协会) - a leading online video Multi-channel Network (MCN) in China. Y-Platform manages more than 30 online influencers/channels with a total of 100+ million followers on social media networks, averaging 500 million views per month."
* Failure is the best thing I've experienced | Raz Galor | TEDxYouth@Hangzhou (2019). He was featured in TEDx like his father

Sample posts:

* What I saw in Xinjiang working as a Cotton Farmer by 歪果仁研究协会 Ychina (2021) reply video to <<xinjiang-cotton>>. He got access to Xinjiang. Deep links.
* SHOCKING! Is United States Gonna Take Down <<wechat>> Too? by 歪果仁研究协会 Ychina (2020) At which point every single Western chat program is blocked in China.

Highlighted in <<chinese-government-media>>:

* "Expat YouTubers attacked for pro-China views" by <<cgtn>> (2021)


* Lila Kidson (alias 星悦/StarHappy), appears very frequently e.g.[]. According to also names his associates she is "an American who studies in PKU, the vice president [of Ychina]"
* from[] How has life CHANGED for American citizens during the Epidemic outbreak? (2020):
** Dylan Jaye (dylanjayezyl, 钟逸伦)
*** "Ychina Music | “Another Day In China” RAP" (2017)
** Chris TODO
* from
** Brian

====== Jerry Goode (诸葛杰瑞)

Sample videos:

* Livestream - CENSORSHIP in CHINA is to Protect the People on <<censorship>>
* Inside a Mosque XINJIANG Urumqi! on how <<xinjiang>> is great
* The Truth about Larung Gang - Tibetan Buddhists! on how <<tibet>> is great