experts4bit-qlora
Train and serve fused Mixture-of-Experts models in 4-bit on hardware that cannot hold them in bf16.
The problem in one line: load_in_4bit=True leaves a fused MoE's
expert weights in bf16, so the model still OOMs; this package quantises
exactly those experts, fine-tunes them with QLoRA, keeps them in host RAM
or on NVMe when they do not fit, and serves them on one consumer NVIDIA
GPU. Canonical package: experts4bit-qlora on PyPI (import experts4bit_qlora); e4b, e4b-qlora, experts4bit, expertsnbit and
experts-mxfp4 are lookup aliases. Two repositories: this one owns loading, quantisation
orchestration, adapters, training, residency and serving; the kernels it
calls through the [fast] extra live in
grouped-nf4-gemm.
Environment: Linux, a CUDA GPU, torch ≥ 2.2 and bitsandbytes ≥ 0.43
(Python 3.11 is what CI tests; the kernels need Triton on an sm_80+
GPU). The material limitation: on a model that already fits in bf16,
4-bit here is a memory trade, not a speed-up, and on the measured
comparator it cost energy (e4b.train.energy-honest.scoped-a2000) — this
is for models that do not fit. Machine-readable capabilities and evidence:
docs/capabilities.json
and docs/claims.json.
transformers v5 stores a MoE's experts as one fused 3-D parameter per
layer. bitsandbytes' 4-bit walker only replaces nn.Linear, so it
silently skips the experts — the overwhelming majority of the weights
(bitsandbytes#1849).
This package quantises exactly that fused stack (Experts4bit, the 4-bit
face of ExpertsNbit: nf4 / fp4 / int8 / fp8 / bf16 / fp16 storage, with
a test-pinned fidelity ordering), pairs it with a streaming loader and
per-expert LoRA so you can fine-tune, and serves the result through a
paged decode engine that is measured against each model's own attention.
Current position, one page: docs/STATUS.md.
Every number, with its evidence and status: docs/claims.json.
Use this when
load_in_4bit=True/BitsAndBytesConfigloads your MoE but the expert tensors (gate_up_proj,down_proj) stay bf16 and the model still OOMs — the experts are fused 3-D parameters, notnn.Linear.- You need QLoRA or LoRA on the experts themselves, and PEFT or the bitsandbytes walker never sees them.
- The quantised experts fit in host RAM but not VRAM (stream per layer), or fit on NVMe but not host RAM (serve or train from an arena).
- You want to train a 30B-class MoE on a 12–24 GB consumer GPU (expert
offload;
e4b.offload.fits-30b-class), or serve one on an RTX 5090 — the only card the serving claims (e4b.serve.tp.*,e4b.serve.buildout.*) are measured on. - You are choosing between the reference per-expert path, the batched
path, the fused kernel path, host-streamed residency and the NVMe tier —
docs/CHOOSING.mdis the decision page. - Your experts are NF4, native MXFP4 (gpt-oss, DeepSeek-V4), int4-b32 for serving, fp8 for the KV cache, or a mix across storage and residency tiers.
Do not use this when
- The model is dense (no experts): bitsandbytes' own 4-bit path already
covers every
nn.Linear. - The model already fits in bf16 with headroom: 4-bit is a memory trade
there, and on the measured comparator it was slower and used more
energy (
e4b.train.energy-honest.scoped-a2000in the claims register — one card and one bitsandbytes development build, not a statement about every 4-bit path). - You expect a general-purpose serving engine or a vLLM replacement: on
the same box vLLM is ahead (
e4b.serve.h2h.vllm.same-box); this is a measured 4-bit path for models that otherwise do not run at all. - You need Windows, macOS, ROCm or a non-CUDA accelerator.
- The model family or expert layout is not in
docs/ARCHITECTURE_SUPPORT.md— unsupported architectures fail fast with a named error; the accelerated paths fall back to the reference loop, so assert everyenable_*count (a0looks identical to the per-expert loop).
Start here
docs/SOLUTIONS.md |
one page per problem: symptoms, cause, install, smallest example, verification, limits |
docs/capabilities.json |
the machine-readable capability contract (entry points, environments, limitations, claim IDs) |
docs/STATUS.md |
the current position — claims tiered in the public register: confirmed, measured, measured-private, open, superseded, retired |
docs/claims.json |
every number with its evidence and status |
docs/INDEX.md |
what each document is and whether it is current |
grouped-nf4-gemm |
the kernel package this one drives (pip install "experts4bit-qlora[fast]") |
| PyPI: experts4bit-qlora | the canonical distribution |
llms.txt · AGENTS.md |
orientation for language models and coding agents |
| The routing page for this project on cerinamroth.com (problem-first index, status, compatibility) | https://cerinamroth.com/ml/experts4bit-qlora/ |
Install
pip install experts4bit-qlora # primitive + adapters (torch + bitsandbytes)
pip install "experts4bit-qlora[train]" # + the streaming MoE trainer
pip install "experts4bit-qlora[fast]" # + the fused grouped-GEMM path (grouped-nf4-gemm)
e4b, e4b-qlora, experts4bit, expertsnbit and experts-mxfp4 are
lookup aliases that install this package; always install and cite
experts4bit-qlora. Runs on stock bitsandbytes; every feature has a
reference path. Building from source — pip install --no-build-isolation,
or any build outside pip's isolated build environment — needs setuptools ≥ 77
for the PEP 639 license metadata in pyproject.toml; an ordinary
pip install gets it automatically through build isolation.
Which door? Start from what does not fit
| what ran out | call | needs |
|---|---|---|
| nothing — just train a fused MoE | load_moe_4bit_streaming(...) |
[train] |
| each step is slow | enable_fast_train(model, dgrad=True) |
[fast] |
…and [fast] will not build |
enable_batched_train(model) |
— |
| the experts do not fit VRAM | load_moe_4bit_streaming(..., offload=True) |
— |
| the experts do not fit host RAM, serving | enable_nvme_residency(...) |
[fast] + arena |
| …and they are native MXFP4 | enable_mxfp4_nvme_residency(...) |
[fast] + arena |
| the experts do not fit host RAM, training | enable_nvme_train_residency(...) |
[fast] + arena + grad ckpt |
| the dense side does not fit | enable_dense_offload(model, "cuda") |
— |
| serving, want it faster | enable_fast(model) |
[fast] |
| serving, spare VRAM to trade | enable_pipelined_residency(model, hot_sets, k_slots=k) |
[fast] |
Reasoning and caveats for each: docs/CHOOSING.md.
Assert the return value of every enable_*: 0 and "silently still
on the per-expert loop" look identical from the caller's side.
Quickstart
import torch
from experts4bit_qlora import Experts4bit, ExpertsLoRA, load_moe_4bit_streaming, verify_moe_4bit
# A real fused-MoE checkpoint, quantised on the way to the GPU (never bf16-resident):
model, config = load_moe_4bit_streaming(
"Qwen/Qwen3-30B-A3B", "cuda", torch.bfloat16, r=8, alpha=16, quant_type="nf4",
)
verify_moe_4bit(model, strict=True) # raises if any expert stack is still high precision
STEPS=150 R=8 TRAIN_EXPERTS=1 OUT=./out python -m experts4bit_qlora.train # QLoRA fine-tune
ADAPTER=./out/adapter_best.pt python -m experts4bit_qlora.infer # serve it
Do not load these models with stock from_pretrained(..., load_in_4bit=True): it quantises the nn.Linear layers, leaves the
experts in bf16, and OOMs.
What is measured
Each row is an entry in docs/claims.json; the last column is its
evidence status. measured means the receipt is in this repository;
measured-private means the run happened but the receipt lives in a
private audit tree and you cannot check it from here.
| result | status | |
|---|---|---|
| OLMoE-1B-7B fits a 12 GB card and trains | 4.70 GB load; held-out eval 1.4813 → 1.0290 | measured |
| Expert offload trains 30B-class MoEs on 12 GB | Qwen3-30B-A3B peaks 7.16 GB, Gemma-4-26B-A4B 8.47 GB | measured |
| Fused training path, two 30B MoEs × five datasets | 1.52–1.81× per step at 0.75–0.81× VRAM, loss parity, frozen stack bit-identical over 16.31 GB | measured |
| Arena vs pinned host RAM, at a descending cap | 2.56× / 3.80× / 6.40× less host RAM (OLMoE / Gemma-4 / Qwen3-30B) | measured |
| Paged decode vs the model's own attention | indistinguishable on Granite (0.00229 nats), gpt-oss (0.00288) and Qwen3 (0.00173) against a chunk-free reference, each below its own floor; Gemma-4 has no reference at this resolution — its own cached forward swings −0.107 … +0.271 nats across windows — and the paged path's one measured cost there is the fp8 cache, 0.046 nats (#359) | measured-private |
| Per-family serving throughput on one rented RTX 5090 class (six families, same protocol) | Qwen3-30B 97 → 155 tok/s B=1 and 483 → 944 B=16; OLMoE 248 → 452; Granite 191 → 285; Mixtral 48 → 107; gpt-oss and Gemma-4 NF4 only (124, 71) — the refused arms are the build-out (SERVING-THROUGHPUT.md) |
measured |
| Single-stream Qwen3-30B-A3B on an RTX 5090 | ≈100 tok/s NF4; 204.6 tok/s with calibrated int4 attention + int4 experts | measured-private |
| Batched (B=16) Qwen3-30B-A3B on an RTX 5090 | ≈1,238 tok/s aggregate | measured |
| Same box, same prompts, against vLLM (GPTQ-Int4) | vLLM ahead 1.47× at B=1, 1.55× at B=16 | measured-private |
| DeepSeek-V4-Flash (284B, 147 GB of experts on disk) | loads in ~10 s at 8.74 GiB peak VRAM and generates | measured |
| Informed hot sets vs by-index, identical VRAM | +37.1% on DeepSeek-V4-Flash; the gain is a property of the host | measured |
Three things to read beside that table, because they change what it means:
- A parity delta is read against a per-model noise floor, never
against zero. Two arithmetically equivalent forwards of an MoE
disagree, because rounding flips which experts the router picks; on
gpt-oss 4.5% of layer-token choices flip and those tokens carry the
whole disagreement. "Below the floor" means indistinguishable.
docs/METHODOLOGY.md§13.1. - 4-bit on a card that already fits the model was a 1.2–2.3× energy
penalty on the measured comparator, not a saving: one OLMoE-dims
expert projection on an RTX A2000, dequantize-then-
linearand a bitsandbytes 0.50-dev fork build'smatmul_4bitrouting against native bf16 (e4b.train.energy-honest.scoped-a2000). It inverts when memory binds. Note, 2026-09-04: the earlier wording "NF4 is storage-only and the GEMM runs in bf16 either way" was a universal mechanism statement and is withdrawn as such — bitsandbytes ≥ 0.50.0 can run supported ordinary 2-D 4-bit inference cells on the packed weights directly, while routed grouped MoE execution and training's input gradient are separate contracts (docs/BITSANDBYTES.md). The measurement stands as its receipt made it. - Ratios travel; absolutes do not. The 5090 class carries ~8.5% inter-box dispersion; the same config on two 4090s moved 8.6% in s/step. Quote the card, or quote a ratio.
What was retired
Claims this project published and then withdrew, each with the
measurement that withdrew it, are listed in
docs/STATUS.md
and kept as retired entries in docs/claims.json so they stay
findable. The most recent: the "+0.047 ppl fp8 KV cost" on Qwen3 (below
the model's own floor), and the "+0.078 nats gpt-oss sinks/windows
defect" (the chunked oracle was the drifting arm, not the serving path).
Scope
The primitives are model-agnostic. The streaming loader and trainer
handle SwiGLU fused-MoE families stored per-expert or pre-fused:
OLMoE, Qwen3-MoE / Qwen3.5-MoE, Gemma-4 (text tower),
GraniteMoe, gpt-oss (MXFP4 experts with per-expert biases and a
clamped GLU, dequantised bit-identically), and DeepSeek-V4 (Flash /
Pro). Which families load, run and CUDA-graph-capture, with the
evidence: docs/ARCHITECTURE_SUPPORT.md.
Unsupported architectures fail fast with a clear error.
Known open: Gemma-4-26B-A4B's fp8 K cache wants finer groups on its 512-dim heads, and the family needs a parity instrument that survives its batch-shape variance (#359); the model fails to load on 2 of 5 rented hosts (#344); no shipped tool bakes the training arena from a bf16 checkpoint yet.
Docs
docs/STATUS.md |
what you get, what was retired, what is open — one page |
docs/claims.json |
every claim with value, hardware, status, evidence |
docs/INDEX.md |
what each of the 42 documents is, and whether it is current |
docs/CHOOSING.md |
which mode, and why |
docs/METHODOLOGY.md |
hosts, protocols, every measurement's provenance |
docs/SERVING-PARITY.md |
paged decode vs each model's own attention |
docs/SERVING-THROUGHPUT.md |
per-family decode throughput under one protocol, with the refusal list |
docs/STORAGE-MODES.md |
the six storage modes and what each promises |
docs/RESIDENCY-ENGINES.md |
residency engines, hot-set selection, host-regime laws |
docs/SERVING.md |
the HTTP shim and Docker deployment |
docs/DEEPSEEK-V4.md |
V4's storage split, epilogue, arena bake |
docs/BITSANDBYTES.md |
relationship to bitsandbytes, prior art |
The package family
experts4bit-qlora(this repo) owns everything around the expert GEMM: the fused-stack primitives and per-expert LoRA, the streaming loaders, offload, training, the paged serving engine, hot-expert residency.grouped-nf4-gemmowns the GEMM itself: one launch over 4-bit-packed expert stacks with in-register decode and fp32 accumulation, plus the fp8 paged decode attention and the decode glue kernels.[fast]is the seam.
The kernel makes one expert-stack matmul cheap; this package decides which bytes are where.
Provenance
Every number traces to a committed script and a named host, with
receipts under bench/ and docs/ — or, where the receipt is private,
the register says so. PROVENANCE.md is the OpenTimestamps-anchored
record for the v0.2.0 convergence result; anchored documents are never
edited in place (see docs/INDEX.md). Falsification work lives under
audits/.
License
MIT (LICENSE). experts4bit_qlora/_vendor/experts.py
is vendored from bitsandbytes (also MIT) pending upstream merge; its
notice is in THIRD_PARTY_NOTICES.md.
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